WTH nobody is stupid enough to pay 50 usd for a +10 orb

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

the "original" price of these items are just a stamp/idiot bait in order to lead ppl to beleive they are getting a good deal for these items which they are not. because of that fact it is a pretty clever ploy.

5 ocean orbs at there normal price is 375 gold. so if u want to get 5 pieces of equips to +10 u will need to spend that much. now can u honestly look ANYONE dead in the eye and say that is a fair and resonable price for these things?

this is where the "sale" comes in. a item that no (resonable) person would buy is now on sale. so instead of 375 gold for 5 u get 5 of them for 100 gold. this will lead massive amounts of ppl thinking they will get a good deal for that item when in reality its the price they should have been in the first place. this why they do so many of these sales so often because they actually make more money off of it. but they cant keep that price permanent because eventually there will be an overflow of those items ingame.

the same thing goes for packs. slap a price of 1 gold on it for or sell it for 45-50 gold for 50 packs, a price that is OBVIOUSLY not worth the contents of those items, then later down the road sell it at a price that is worth it which is 15 gold for 50 packs.


now u dont believe what i just said? then think about items that have never been in the boutique before but they have a "sale" at xx% off for those items despite them never being in the boutique before.


use your head for a bit. they are always slapping price tags on items left and right for these "sales" to the point that the original price doesnt mean jack squat. i can stamp a ceral box for 100$ then have a weekly/montly sale that reduces that ceral box to the normal and reasonable price of $8-10. and i keep juggling the price each month for from its all time low of $8 to $10 to$20 to $30, all of which cheaper then the original price. just because the cereal was 100$ originally doesnt mean im getting a good deal. its a damn box of cereal that shouldnt cost 100$ in the first place.

this same analogy applies to the orbs and packs. all they are doing is slapping price tags left and right and it doesnt matter what price it is just as long as its cheaper then the original rip off price of 75 gold per orb.

i mean honestly, sales like these and its no wonder there stock plummeted.

Albaj - Heavens Tear

I have an alternate, likely wrong (but still sound), theory. The numbers that follow are arbitrary and chosen for ease of calculations, but the theory remains the same as long as one sale price is higher than another.

Say that at 25 gold each, 1000 orbs would be bought. The revenue would be $25,000.

Now, raise the price to 50 gold. Assume (laughable as this may sound) that most people actually possess self-control and foresight, and only 200 get purchased at this price. That's a revenue of $10,000. Quite a bit less, eh?

But, assume that they do both scenarios. They sell 200 orbs at 50 gold, wait a while, then sell again at 25 gold, unloading 800 orbs on the people who were unwilling to pay 50 gold. Thus, they get $10,000 from the shmucks, and $20,000 from the people who held back. That's a total of $30,000, all by altering just how low the sale prices are and staggering it a bit.

Is this what they're doing? I dunno. If they are, do they even they know it? I couldn't say. Is it possible that mass-ragequitting could destroy this plan, by removing too many of the customers who won't pay the higher price? Anything could happen.

Airlines do the same thing (generally speaking). The price of tickets go up when the day of departure nears. This gets the people who "just can't wait" to pay more, for the same service, as people who plan in advance. Also, I'm not saying that most people don't have a good reason for rushing tickets at the last day. But that doesn't change the fact that the ones who want to fly, and just can't wait, will pay more for it.

PWI has a huge power vacuum between the people who pay a lot, and the people who don't. It's not surprising with a game as addicting as this, that many people will rush to get in on a "temporary sale" to catch up with the elite, rather than calm down, take their time, and think these things through. And some just don't care, and will pay whatever they can, to lord it over everyone who doesn't. After all, what's the cost of making people who care too much about a f2p game QQ? Mommy's credit card. And to a lot of people, that's worth it.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

LoraTab, I agree wholeheartedly. They should have never sold them that cheap in the first place. But that, to me, is a different topic.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the "original" price of these items are just a stamp/idiot bait in order to lead ppl to beleive they are getting a good deal for these items which they are not. because of that fact it is a pretty clever ploy.

5 ocean orbs at there normal price is 375 gold. so if u want to get 5 pieces of equips to +10 u will need to spend that much. now can u honestly look ANYONE dead in the eye and say that is a fair and resonable price for these things?

this is where the "sale" comes in. a item that no (resonable) person would buy is now on sale. so instead of 375 gold for 5 u get 5 of them for 100 gold. this will lead massive amounts of ppl thinking they will get a good deal for that item when in reality its the price they should have been in the first place. this why they do so many of these sales so often because they actually make more money off of it. but they cant keep that price permanent because eventually there will be an overflow of those items ingame.

the same thing goes for packs. slap a price of 1 gold on it for or sell it for 45-50 gold for 50 packs, a price that is OBVIOUSLY not worth the contents of those items, then later down the road sell it at a price that is worth it which is 15 gold for 50 packs.

now u dont believe what i just said? then think about items that have never been in the boutique before but they have a "sale" at xx% off for those items despite them never being in the boutique before.


use your head for a bit. they are always slapping price tags on items left and right for these "sales" to the point that the original price doesnt mean jack squat. i can stamp a ceral box for 100$ then have a weekly/montly sale that reduces that ceral box to the normal and reasonable price of $8-10. and i keep juggling the price each month for from its all time low of $8 to $10 to$20 to $30, all of which cheaper then the original price. just because the creal was 100$ originally doesnt mean im getting a good deal. its a damn box of cereal that shouldnt cost 100$ in the first place.

I don't doubt the ineptitude of PWE to place something as a "Sale" that's in fact "New" but can you give examples?

Also, I'm wondering why in the world you're declaring the original price to be ridiculously expensive. Ocean orbs were selling enormously at 75 gold, what are you smoking? Again, money talks, bull**** walks. At 50 gold, they're going to sell enormously. While I don't have a catshop selling an assload of ocean orbs this time around, I see no reason why it wouldn't be the same. People who want what they want right now are going to fork over the cost with little regard to subjective terms you've used like "fair" and "reasonable" and placed them into the price. Certainly, more are now going to be aware after the umpteenth sale at 100x5 (20x1) and 25x1 ocean orb sales that it's best to be patient for it to happen again, however, the reason it invokes people to make such purchases is they simply don't know when, and don't want to wait to find out. No one is going to look you in the eye for anything, just make a fricken catshop and sell, and you can find out real easy how much people make impulse transactions.

Albaj - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have an alternate, likely wrong (but still sound), theory. The numbers that follow are arbitrary and chosen for ease of calculations, but the theory remains the same as long as one sale price is higher than another.

Say that at 25 gold each, 1000 orbs would be bought. The revenue would be $25,000.

Now, raise the price to 50 gold. Assume (laughable as this may sound) that most people actually possess self-control and foresight, and only 200 get purchased at this price. That's a revenue of $10,000. Quite a bit less, eh?

But, assume that they do both scenarios. They sell 200 orbs at 50 gold, wait a while, then sell again at 25 gold, unloading 800 orbs on the people who were unwilling to pay 50 gold. Thus, they get $10,000 from the shmucks, and $20,000 from the people who held back. That's a total of $30,000, all by altering just how low the sale prices are and staggering it a bit.

Is this what they're doing? I dunno. If they are, do they even they know it? I couldn't say. Is it possible that mass-ragequitting could destroy this plan, by removing too many of the customers who won't pay the higher price? Anything could happen.

Airlines do the same thing (generally speaking). The price of tickets go up when the day of departure nears. This gets the people who "just can't wait" to pay more, for the same service, as people who plan in advance. Also, I'm not saying that most people don't have a good reason for rushing tickets at the last day. But that doesn't change the fact that the ones who want to fly, and just can't wait, will pay more for it.

PWI has a huge power vacuum between the people who pay a lot, and the people who don't. It's not surprising with a game as addicting as this, that many people will rush to get in on a "temporary sale" to catch up with the elite, rather than calm down, take their time, and think these things through. And some just don't care, and will pay whatever they can, to lord it over everyone who doesn't. After all, what's the cost of making people who care too much about a f2p game QQ? Mommy's credit card. And to a lot of people, that's worth it.

Indeed. Applicable analogy with the airlines too, even if the numbers used for orbs is slightly dubious. Unfortunately, prepare to be assailed for using the airline analogy as evidently logic, business, and economics outside perfect world isn't applicable in game.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

actually, if u read the news page, there is no discount on 10* orbs. that means normal price is 50 gold, not 75 anymore.

orbs were selling well at 75 golds, but u forgot one thing, game was different.
having +10 gears was giving u a huge advantage compared to others.

anyone remember the old R8s full +10? was as hard (and maybe harder) to kill in pvp (by average ppl at that time) than full R9+12 with jades now (by +10 ppl)

so yeah ppl were buying them cause they were feeling like gods.

now in game wise, i doubt anyone will buy a 10* orb at 55M when they were buying 26M few weeks ago. i would rather buy shards at that price than orbs.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

actually, if u read the news page, there is no discount on 10* orbs. that means normal price is 50 gold, not 75 anymore.

orbs were selling well at 75 golds, but u forgot one thing, game was different.
having +10 gears was giving u a huge advantage compared to others.

anyone remember the old R8s full +10? was as hard (and maybe harder) to kill in pvp (by average ppl at that time) than full R9+12 with jades now (by +10 ppl)

so yeah ppl were buying them cause they were feeling like gods.

now in game wise, i doubt anyone will buy a 10* orb at 55M when they were buying 26M few weeks ago. i would rather buy shards at that price than orbs.

Looking at this and the past ocean orb sale (50% off, 25 gold for 1, means 50 gold non sale), it seems like you're correct. So the ocean orbs are just re-introduced again at a normal price, that will still sell.

Just to note I've been hanging out next to a shop that's sold 5 ocean orbs at 53m since I've been going back and forth between watching the game, playing Mario Party, and reading forums. I will quote a post of mine in italics from the other topic pertaining to this subject:

I'm pretty sure to someone with r9 a difference of 25-35m isn't going to mean much, especially to a typical knee-jerk, impatient player. The people it's going to supposedly hit are those who are more frugal, but more frugal people would be patient enough to wait out a better ocean orb sale, rendering the QQ rather moot. So realistically the people that are going to get hit the hardest are going to be those who for one reason or another want +10 orbs but are unable to decently farm nor be patient. Sucks for them.

Without a doubt, there will be other sales and likely cheaper, but with their forecast to supposedly slow down these types of promotions, who knows. Out of necessity to get these since everyone and their mother needs +10 ref weapons/gear and higher, people will fork over 55m for them.

devotion

The title is funny. "WTH nobody is stupid enough to still play this game" is probably more fitting.

Maiyr - Lost City

tatakairyu wrote: »

Oh no, name calling, it's what refutes words and proves people right. That's what I thought lol, anyone who fails to argue their point goes straight to it.

Though, it is pretty amusing considering you hear what you want to hear so you can tell yourself you were right and have a nice sleep tonight lol.

Dude read your own posts, the other guy was giving decent explainations no matter, your the one that came in and started the bashing/name calling. I have no doubt you can sleep well tho since you didnt even realised that.

Maiyr - Lost City

My guess is this is a move to prolong the game's lifespan. Kinda like damage control. If they continue to offer orbs, reps, medals so cheap they would only kill off the game even faster since everyone will have maxxed gear at endgame quickly and so what is left? No clear expansion within sight. Players will just leave. Not to mention the orbs sales only serve to **** off the hardcore cashshoppers who spent 10ks ingame already. Im sure they dont want that. Anyway with this move, prices will self adjust back to the current cashshop prices once all the sales stocks run out and that pirce will be the new norm.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Maybe they realized that short-term gain is not going to sustain long term business. Honestly it's about time. If anything they shouldn't put this **** on sale anymore at all tbh.

The damage has already been done, if you give a bone to a dog it will expect it again and will not settle for anything less, they shouldn`t have put orbs in the boutique that are higher than 1*, pwi tries to compensate its marketing staffs` failure by openly scamming the player base with these so - called "sales."

Quilue - Sanctuary

How much, in coins, were 10 stars when it cost 75 gold (was it a year ago? more?)? How much were 10 stars when it cost 25 gold?

How much in coins were the first anniversary packs when it was 1 gold each? How much are packs now, 18 gold for 50?

How much was a 1star in coins 2 years ago? How much was a 1 star worth in coins, when it was 4.5 silver last sale? Do you still not get it?

People will not necessary charge for 10 stars, but people will always sell gold. Even now, AH's gold price (at least on Sanct) has been the lowest in months. That is why the increased cost in gold doesn't really matter if you actually play the game...or the market. It only hurts you if you charge blindly. Soon as Wildlife packs get off the 18 for 50 sale, gold will dip below 1m.

Don't want to pay 50 bucks for the 10 star? Then don't pay 50 bucks for it...I didn't think 20 bucks was worth it either. Jeez wtf is wrong with you people? 20 bucks is like half a tank of gas.

Now 2 things will happen. PWI will cave in and go back on its word, or PWI sticks with the high dollar prices and gold drops. No reason to QQ either way.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

the sales in the boutique have a direct effect on eco in game depending on the item sold. coin per gold use to cost 300k per gold. that means that a 75 star orb would only cost 22,500,000 in coin if those prices still exist today. however that is no longer the case because sales have increased gold prices to 1.3mil each at the very minimum. that means a 75 gold orb would cost 97mill in coin if u were to buy it with ingame coin.


eventually the price of coin per gold will keep on increasing untill its at the 2mil mark, then 3mill mark, and (depending on how long this game lasts) the 10mill mark. ppl will realize how much coin ppl can get in game and raise the prices insanely high because ingame coin isnt that hard to farm and its free.

it happens all the time in MMOs. the longer this game gets the higher the prices for items will get because of overflows of coin in game.

eventually the gold prices/price of any cash shop related item will be to expensive for even the most hardcore of coin farmers to pay for.

infact i will make a prediction and say if they ever have a sale that reduces the cost of rank 9 by 50% then gold prices will shoot beyond 5mill per gold. im willing to gurantee it.

Dethprowl - Raging Tide

I cant understand why any of you would still put real money into this mess of a game in the first place.

But watching you guys fight about it is more fun than actually playing the game.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Dethprowl - Raging Tide wrote: »

I cant understand why any of you would still put real money into this mess of a game in the first place.

But watching you guys fight about it is more fun than actually playing the game.

b:victory

Azurt - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

those ppl are idiots. the ppl that does that are the same ppl that paid $15k+ for a warsoul (or however much it costs) and then quit the game or just rarely if ever play the game.

these kinds of ppl do not have common sense to know when they are getting ripped off.
then cry there eyes out when a sale that makes the item they bought 50-60% off. i mean seriously. who the hell would pay 2.4k usd for that? AND WHY WOULD U DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? i dont care if its "your money" there is no excuse for being a idiot.

I can't understand why ppl says things like this.

For me, an idiot would be someone who doesn't buy/do something he wants and CAN buy/do just because is too expensive for other ppl.

In that case, ppl who buys a Ferrari is an idiot for buying that, I mean if someone drop 20k bucks in a game is their business, maybe is a millionaire, maybe not but ppl keep buying "useless" things the whole time... maybe every client of the royal suite in Burj Al Arab is an idiot for paying 27k bucks just to sleep one night there... one night.

If someone can buy something because has a better job than most of the ppl or runs a succesfull business or whatever is not an idiot, just is doing what he/she wants.

"2k or 20k bucks is too much for pixels" someone can say... well, is not the pixels what they sell, is what they make with those pixels and what ppl do with that... is like saying that buying a car is buying a bunch of steel.

And, if someone says that 2k dollars is too much for pixels, and thinks that 1 or 10 or 100 bucks is a good price, we can see that for that ppl the problem is that they don't have enough money to afford it without doing big cuts in other things.

Maybe they paid 1.5k for their PC, so buying a full rank 9 +12 is not a priority.

And no, I don't even have a rank 9, but can't call idiot a guy who buys what he wants (and a lot or ppl wants but can't afford) just because he can.


And with the orbs... it's just offer/demand. If they set the price of orbs at 50 gold for a time, then ppl just will buy it because is the offer to satisfy demand, this if gold pirce in coin don't give a better option for players... but when the amount of orbs in servers go down, the option for the players will be the boutique, or they can stay with +6 refines. All this, if PW is changin their way to manage their sales and is not going to set a sale at 20 gold or so, and thats why I'm saying "if they set the price of orbs at 50 gold for a time".

P.D. English is not my first language, I apologize if it results difficult to read.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

I can't complain. Have to agree with Susamajii from first page of thread before i got bored and skipped the rest.

This is not as low in gold as it was in previous sales, but why are people complaining? Does no one remember the sales of 10 stars for $75 each? Spoiled

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure to someone with r9 a difference of 25-35m isn't going to mean much, especially to a typical knee-jerk, impatient player. The people it's going to supposedly hit are those who are more frugal, but more frugal people would be patient enough to wait out a better ocean orb sale, rendering the QQ rather moot. So realistically the people that are going to get hit the hardest are going to be those who for one reason or another want +10 orbs but are unable to decently farm nor be patient. Sucks for them.

sry, i didnt cash my full R9, and the 10* price does matter for me.
ill keep everything +7 for now
even more since i lost 50M buying golds the 11-12* orbs sale day but didnt have enough b:sad

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

sry, i didnt cash my full R9, and the 10* price does matter for me.
ill keep everything +7 for now
even more since i lost 50M buying golds the 11-12* orbs sale day but didnt have enough b:sad

So "patience" it is... at least for +10's. Unfortunately it looks like you put all your eggs in a basket for a PW troll sale and got trolled. Bad on you for that.

Sanna - Momaganon

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Scam the player base? They scammed us by ever putting Dragon Orb Oceans on sale in the first place. You should just be happy that you never had to pay 1k+ USD for 1 stars to make a 10 star orb in the first place. /thread.

I am sorry you got tricked by PWI in spending so much money on an item. At least now you know not to trust PWI.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the sales in the boutique have a direct effect on eco in game depending on the item sold. coin per gold use to cost 300k per gold. that means that a 75 star orb would only cost 22,500,000 in coin if those prices still exist today. however that is no longer the case because sales have increased gold prices to 1.3mil each at the very minimum. that means a 75 gold orb would cost 97mill in coin if u were to buy it with ingame coin.


eventually the price of coin per gold will keep on increasing untill its at the 2mil mark, then 3mill mark, and (depending on how long this game lasts) the 10mill mark. ppl will realize how much coin ppl can get in game and raise the prices insanely high because ingame coin isnt that hard to farm and its free.

it happens all the time in MMOs. the longer this game gets the higher the prices for items will get because of overflows of coin in game.

eventually the gold prices/price of any cash shop related item will be to expensive for even the most hardcore of coin farmers to pay for.

infact i will make a prediction and say if they ever have a sale that reduces the cost of rank 9 by 50% then gold prices will shoot beyond 5mill per gold. im willing to gurantee it.

There's no reason gold prices will increase if no one wants what's on sale at that gold price (like right now). Since no one wants 10 star for ~60m, you can bet that gold will not rise because of it.

The only thing keeping prices up are the wildlife packs still at 18 gold for 50 packs. If they take that out and keep up with the 38 gold for 50 pack/50 gold for 10 star etc etc, then gold will fall and coin prices for the above items will simply match what they were before. This is why I say the only people that should be complaining are the people who charge blindly.

What the **** is wrong with you people? Have no patience or something? Gotta have perma 10star for 20 gold now? Just treat this as if 10 stars are NOT in the boutique until Wildlife packs are gone.

Okeano - Harshlands

Quilue, save meh from the idiocy of these "zomg too exzpensive" threads. b:cry

Lucretius - Dreamweaver

Ladies and gentlemen, time will tell.
It is what it is, adapt and survive or rebel and survive - that's if you win the rebellion.

In response to the thread's title, I guess I'm not stupid enough to pay 50 USD for a +10 orb. However, I will pay 50 gold farmed and exchanged through the auction for a +10 orb when the gold prices fall-if they fall.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

gold at 800k and 50 gold for a +10 is worth it for me.
if it's not worth it for you then you don't need it yet and most probably have other stuff to work on before getting that +10.
Just like it should be. Too many spoiled babies here with +10 all over. of course it's not worth it when you cash shop. But when I can farm an 10* orb every 3 days without trying hard, it's ok