Improving my archer

Vindis - Dreamweaver
Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Archer
Hey all, was bored and figured I would ask advice/recommendation on improvements to be made to my archer, figuring there may be something that I have not yet thought of.

My archer is a pure bow sage mind you, so please don't focus on more aps gear. I built him around TW fighting and with available funds. I have a few improvements in mind, such as the LG ring and either Glorious Robe: Torment or Cloudcharger as well as higher refines. I would also like a better helmet, possibly a Warsoul which I realize is doable if I swap my belt or cape to one that gives at least +5 str.

I'm also looking into getting a Vibrant Jade: Order for more hp/phys defence. I did have an Anger of the Beast Soul+3, but I gave it to my brother's gf's sin until she gets Lionheart (that and I made my current belt for my barb and liked the adds it gave to my archer more. I'm using it until my barb is level to wear it). One has yet to show up in AH as of last night.

My archer 2 weeks ago (aka 8/14ish/11):
http://pwcalc.com/724c61e778edb1bd

My archer now(8/30):
http://pwcalc.com/2f58ba50e6c1cd20

I'm open to other suggestions for belts/necks, particularly elemental ones. I was going to aim for Phys ornas, but in TW I tend to have little trouble against phys attackers aside from r9s, a sin gank or several archers (hence why I am considering mixed def ornas).

ty in advance b:thanks

EDIT: Archer as of Sept 21st: http://pwcalc.com/b4419eb18f2e3b33

Archer as of December 19th: http://pwcalc.com/714ffe60849d1eb4

As of January 1st: http://pwcalc.com/683db231514c6fc8
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    You can keep re-buying rank gear until you get 4 sockets. This is, on average, cheaper than using socket stones.
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You can keep re-buying rank gear until you get 4 sockets. This is, on average, cheaper than using socket stones.

    Do you think that would be worth the extra 100 or so hp I would gain? I figured I could always socket it later if I was extremely bored, or I could just swap a piece of it with nirvy eventually.
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  • Kagizyu - Heavens Tear
    Kagizyu - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nirvy leggings, Gold oht belt, switch from interval cape now and then, better hp helmet, +5 gears.

    +5 isnt too bad to get with tienkungs? or something.... But maybe orbs will be cheaper with your luck :D i dunno.

    That's whatd id put on my archer. b:chuckle
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Do you think that would be worth the extra 100 or so hp I would gain? I figured I could always socket it later if I was extremely bored, or I could just swap a piece of it with nirvy eventually.

    Yes.

    .....
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kagizyu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nirvy leggings, Gold oht belt, switch from interval cape now and then, better hp helmet, +5 gears.

    +5 isnt too bad to get with tienkungs? or something.... But maybe orbs will be cheaper with your luck :D i dunno.

    That's whatd id put on my archer. b:chuckle

    My archer isn't aps at all, which is why I was leaning towards Glorious Robe: Torment which will let me use Warsoul of Earth as well as provide extra p def. I don't ever use fists really, so atm +432 phys def looks better than -.05 int. Still debating Cloudcharger though since ring engraving just came out. Could get str add on a ring and use helm still.

    Currently I have +7 dex on my rank ring and +6 on my misty (Yay 32% crit rate). I do plan to try higher refines. May do so later today, can't decide yet :P. I forgot the OHT belt, mostly because I'm the only one out of my usual squad that has completed Delta w4 culti and I'm waiting on the others.
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes.

    .....

    I'll look into it I guess :P
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  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Even if you aren't a fist user you still want -int gear. A bow's base speed is painfully slow even more so since you're sage and don't have the nice speedboost from quickshot or even demon spark. The p.def from that cape isn't that great for an archer imo as you shouldn't be getting hit much by melee classes (expect sins but thats what genie is for). Against archers maybe, but if they notice that auto attack isn't killing you, they just switch to metal. And besides, your sage. You should always be locking other archers in that 2m deadzone according to that DnD thread.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    The 4 socket thing is important because then you can wear Immacs (or greater), causing you to sparkle. This is incredibly important.

    Don't you want to sparkle? You'll have the attention of the vampire-crazed teenage girls.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Don't you want to sparkle? You'll have the attention of the vampire-crazed teenage girls.

    Best post I've seen in a long time
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »
    Even if you aren't a fist user you still want -int gear. A bow's base speed is painfully slow even more so since you're sage and don't have the nice speedboost from quickshot or even demon spark. The p.def from that cape isn't that great for an archer imo as you shouldn't be getting hit much by melee classes (expect sins but thats what genie is for). Against archers maybe, but if they notice that auto attack isn't killing you, they just switch to metal. And besides, your sage. You should always be locking other archers in that 2m deadzone according to that DnD thread.

    Thats part of why I want more phys defense on the cape so I can still wear an m def belt.

    And -.91 isnt much better than .87 imho. I primarily want the cape for the +str now to wear Warsoul of Earth, unless I find another option for a helm, but Ancestral Divine Hat seems out of reach atm. I could look into getting the +hp or +run speed cape, but even then I would rather get a cloudcharger for that.

    And its not possible to always lock an archer, but its quite easy to imagine several scenarios where it is possible (Imagine a Demon archer locking a lvl 10 blessing archer for best results)

    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The 4 socket thing is important because then you can wear Immacs (or greater), causing you to sparkle. This is incredibly important.

    Don't you want to sparkle? You'll have the attention of the vampire-crazed teenage girls.


    ^ Lol.

    Also, slightly off topic, but a question nonetheless:

    Would it be possible to build an anti-caster archer? Maybe r9+12 w/ p def cube neck/warsong belt sharded w/ sapph gems? Thoughts? I haven't played a high m defense toon in a long while so I don't really know how well a one could tank a Psy/Wizzy (My wizard retired in his 80s).
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  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thats part of why I want more phys defense on the cape so I can still wear an m def belt.

    And -.91 isnt much better than .87 imho. I primarily want the cape for the +str now to wear Warsoul of Earth, unless I find another option for a helm, but Ancestral Divine Hat seems out of reach atm. I could look into getting the +hp or +run speed cape, but even then I would rather get a cloudcharger for that.

    And its not possible to always lock an archer, but its quite easy to imagine several scenarios where it is possible (Imagine a Demon archer locking a lvl 10 blessing archer for best results)
    Simple difference of opinion on capes then. And the locking thing was just a joke about Fleuri scenarios.

    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Also, slightly off topic, but a question nonetheless:

    Would it be possible to build an anti-caster archer? Maybe r9+12 w/ p def cube neck/warsong belt sharded w/ sapph gems? Thoughts? I haven't played a high m defense toon in a long while so I don't really know how well a one could tank a Psy/Wizzy (My wizard retired in his 80s).
    Jades of steady defense would be a better choice over saph gems I think. And you mean m def not p def right? =P
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Anfisa - Lost City wrote: »
    Simple difference of opinion on capes then. And the locking thing was just a joke about Fleuri scenarios.

    Yep I saw it, I sometimes feel I am associated with those scenarios simply by being sage though :P

    Jades of steady defense would be a better choice over saph gems I think. And you mean m def not p def right? =P

    Yes I did mean m def apologies, though p defense ornaments would possibly provide more balance? And yes, JoSD would probably be a better alternative, but not as cheap an alternative as Sapph gems (Not sure about your server but DoDs were around 26mil last time I checked and Sapph Gems were at 8mil)
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yes I did mean m def apologies, though p defense ornaments would possibly provide more balance? And yes, JoSD would probably be a better alternative, but not as cheap an alternative as Sapph gems (Not sure about your server but DoDs were around 26mil last time I checked and Sapph Gems were at 8mil)

    A post level 100 archer is going to have 5-6k m.def unbuffed. So unless you have extreme excess of 10k hp... sap gems isn't going to be a great help. even with a full 24 socket full of sap gems... thats only 2.4k extra m.def... which gives less then 10% additional m.def reduction. while if you shard even with perf hp... thats 1.5k more hp.

    so it all comes down to is 10% of your hp greater then 1.5k? also keep in mind... hp helps against p.atk too... while sap gems only help against m.atk.
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  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Would it be possible to build an anti-caster archer? Maybe r9+12 w/ p def cube neck/warsong belt sharded w/ sapph gems? Thoughts? I haven't played a high m defense toon in a long while so I don't really know how well a one could tank a Psy/Wizzy (My wizard retired in his 80s).

    My own approach to this was to go pure aps with a rank 9 bow.*

    Alternatively, a full DPH build with a +12 g16 mdef cube necklace, two +12 sky cover rings and JoSDs in everything would have the easiest time tanking a mage (possibly switching ring(s) for +12 CoA ones if you like)
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A post level 100 archer is going to have 5-6k m.def unbuffed.

    To illustrate kiyoshi's point, i shall repost this from the first post in this thread.

    Please ignore the fact this post lvl 100 archer barely scratches 4k on his highest elemental def. kiyoshi
    knows what he's talking about.

    But yeah, mdef shards ar a bad idea.



    Note:*Works best against casters in 1 v 1, (probably) and against the average geared casters in tw (people who wont lolrape you in 3 seconds). I assumed it would be superior to the DPH build or the low aps build in any situation where the atklvl difference did not guarantee a 1shot (because, in those cases, provided you are not skillspamming, higher aps would mean faster kills). Given how those atklvls only add about 20% base dmg, and your dmg range is greater than 20% of your low end dmg, there are most likely few situations where one is guaranteed a 1shot and the other is not.) Also, although full rank 9 armor gives far more defense, i rely on my shell (wingspan helps) to tank hits, rather than on my hp/def.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Sint - Harshlands wrote: »
    To illustrate kiyoshi's point, i shall repost this from the first post in this thread.

    No one with the above gear will be able to afford 24 sap gems... so even considering getting them is moot. then again... can you even put sap gems in tt99s?

    Stop using undergeared **** as the norm. http://pwcalc.com/808bca2daeb1eb84

    LOL... at the lvl 87 neck, 86 belt, and 77 ring for a post 100 archer. Funny at the +4 refines for tt99 gear... even my tt90 set was all +5 or above. And wtf is with the +5 r8 bow... my r8 was +12... my cv was +10... my tt90 xbow was +8... my tt80 xbow was +6.
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

    But yeah, mdef shards are a bad idea.

    i rely on my shell (wingspan helps) to tank hits, rather than on my hp/def.

    I asked primarily because I have seen several r9 Barbs and archers sharded with Sapph gems in their capes. Also, I suppose a wizard would be the best robe killer since they one shot everything and can afford to tank casters with their barriers.

    Yeah, I'm prone to bouts of theory being a musician. Learn to deal with it Kiyoshi :P
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Learn to deal with it Kiyoshi :P

    Not sure what I have to deal with... the more archers that gear themselves like you... the less competition I face.
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Not sure what I have to deal with... the more archers that gear themselves like me... the more competition I face.

    fixed*
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    O.O

    I'm confused.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    TL;DR

    Poorness does not sparkle with Kiyoshi at all.
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  • boricua360
    boricua360 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Cake the cat and fionna the human the fun never ends adventure timeee.
  • bandolero360
    bandolero360 Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Lalalala
  • carni91
    carni91 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Sorry I used your thread to see the agr of my accounts
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ^ well, at least someone got something out of it lol.
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  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No one with the above gear will be able to afford 24 sap gems... so even considering getting them is moot. then again... can you even put sap gems in tt99s?

    You can. Did we just discover a hole in your all-encompassing sapience?

    Stop using undergeared **** as the norm. http://pwcalc.com/808bca2daeb1eb84

    That's the question, wich is what we're supposed to discuss in this thread. Not everyone has r9, wich is why you have the epeen you have.

    LOL... at the lvl 87 neck, 86 belt, and 77 ring for a post 100 archer. Funny at the +4 refines for tt99 gear... even my tt90 set was all +5 or above. And wtf is with the +5 r8 bow... my r8 was +12... my cv was +10... my tt90 xbow was +8... my tt80 xbow was +6.

    And wich we dont care about, by the way. You can stop waving it around now.

    On topic; you said, 100+ archers have 5-6k defs. They dont. Not unless you've csed, merchanted or farmed considerably more than most people have.
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Random update:

    This is now my current archer: http://pwcalc.com/8da681cc52149cac

    Plans for a Glorious Robe Torment and Warsoul of Earth still remain. Additional dex on r8 ring is from the collective engraving bonus on both rings (Dex first try on LG ring). Further refines (at least +5) on Ornas/Rings/New Cape/New Helm when I get them.
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  • Shandelzare - Sanctuary
    Shandelzare - Sanctuary Posts: 732 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Oh of course, a post 100 archer with R9 has 5.6k just like every other archer with full R9 right? I mean, all archers have R9... There's absolutely no WAY that an archer wouldn't have R9.

    I wish I had R9 b:surrender
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Sint - Harshlands wrote: »
    On topic; you said, 100+ archers have 5-6k defs. They dont. Not unless you've csed, merchanted or farmed considerably more than most people have.
    Shandelzare - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh of course, a post 100 archer with R9 has 5.6k just like every other archer with full R9 right? I mean, all archers have R9... There's absolutely no WAY that an archer wouldn't have R9.

    I wish I had R9 b:surrender

    Any competitive archer at post 100 should have really aim for 6k+ p.def... although some could even have 7k+ p.def. Taking in to account of the amount of r9 archers in tw/pvp... having 4k p.def is really an disadvantage. All I am saying is... this is what you'll be competing against. On the other hand... if you want to blend in to the unknown masses... then no one really cares what gear you have.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Forget CS, currently you can farm for a weekend and have enough gold to +10 something. Not that hard anymore...
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Forget CS, currently you can farm for a weekend and have enough gold to +10 something. Not that hard anymore...

    Qui what refine is your R9 bow at again?
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    It's +8 because I can't be assed to farm without poopy Ast by my side. Your fault.
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