What are sins?

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

lvl 79 ... talking about sin lvl 101 with r9 daggers maybe +10 or +12

do u expect ur tt70 gear with ur 3-4K hp will save u in pk , while there is lvl s 100+ out there

LOL

No, I don't.
I have not TT70 gear, although my Wizard has 3580 HP.

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

Sins are the only LA class?

Oh yeah, pre-Tideborn classes are irrelevant. Sorry, Archers! b:surrender

I Guess i said LA and melle , archer LA and NOT melle .

Vedovis - Lost City

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

I Guess i said LA and melle , archer LA and NOT melle .

Archers don't use physical attacks?! Oh dang, I built my archer all wrong then :C Pro full magic archers using wands ftw! b:pleased

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide

Vedovis - Lost City wrote: »

Archers don't use physical attacks?! Oh dang, I built my archer all wrong then :C Pro full magic archers using wands ftw! b:pleased

Hi my son lol , hear and learn

melle is hit from short range ! 2-4 meter .

physical attack is sin's attack and archer's attack , did u hear me say physical attack ?

or i said MELLE !

Biatch_ - Harshlands

b:victory I lovvveeee the hate

Mightily - Dreamweaver

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hi my son lol , hear and learn

melle is hit from short range ! 2-4 meter .

physical attack is sin's attack and archer's attack , did u hear me say physical attack ?

or i said MELLE !

You are quite wrong. Melle is the name of a city in Belgium and Germany. The word you are looking for is melee.

Also, most archers use fists these days, so you're still wrong.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

THIS + THIS = THIS

TigerLily - Lost City

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Another Smart guy i have to answer .

Sin is the class that uses melle attacks and wear LA (the only class with those Gear)

The game creator isnt stupid , gave the sin nice skill to prevent him from dieing 1 shot from mages , and gave him ability for his discription as an ASSASIN .(its a game taking idea's from real life ) sin kill silent !

This post made me laugh, its also made by a 1-2 month old Assassin. Dont know whats worse the fact that he is 102 and doesn't know other classes than Assassins uses LA armor or the fact that he thinks Chinese developers cant be stupid.

Developers where smoking pot during the entire Tideborn expansion! Thats common knowledge ffs.

And no this game does not take "idea's from real life" when it comes to Tideborns and sins. It takes idea's from ancient history, folklore, legends and other MMOs. Sins in this game doesn't even kill silently, they talks shiet for 20 minutes after.

Daedallus - Sanctuary

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

THIS + THIS = THIS

QFT b:bye

Fintan - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

This post made me laugh, its also made by a 1-2 month old Assassin. Dont know whats worse the fact that he is 102 and doesn't know other classes than Assassins uses LA armor or the fact that he thinks Chinese developers cant be stupid.

I made it a point to not link my cleric's "FAIL" LA... b:chuckle (There are precious few of us out there now, fewer still who don't fall over and go boom when something looks at us... *sigh* At least I know that if I see a LA cleric I don't know, I can probably 1-shot it! b:chuckle)

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

This post made me laugh, its also made by a 1-2 month old Assassin. Dont know whats worse the fact that he is 102 and doesn't know other classes than Assassins uses LA armor or the fact that he thinks Chinese developers cant be stupid.

Developers where smoking pot during the entire Tideborn expansion! Thats common knowledge ffs.

And no this game does not take "idea's from real life" when it comes to Tideborns and sins. It takes idea's from ancient history, folklore, legends and other MMOs. Sins in this game doesn't even kill silently, they talks shiet for 20 minutes after.

1st i play my assasin since more than 8-9 months till i learned everything about sin's.

2nd ofc Archers use LA , i ment Sin's the only Class that use LA + melle damage .
Archers use bows RANGE attack , it differs when u are far from ur opponent to fight him from if u must come to him to kill.

3rd its true idea's taken from ancient history ... , still idea's comes from real life too.

4rth with respect to wht u said " Developers where smoking pot during the entire Tideborn expansion! Thats common knowledge ffs" this is ur own opinnion not everyone accept it .

megaseeker

they are op but that dont means all sins are bad >_>
i know sum rly nice sins....

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

I love how some of the sins in this thread think they're better than other sins because they don't use stealth in 1v1.

It's not like it's stealth that makes you guys OP. It's the...

OP damage
zerk crits
Can't be 1 hit
50-66% chance to evade negative statuses
25% chance to take 1 damage
Gain chi like crazy
Have every control skill in game
Teleports


So yeah, stop acting like you're the fun and fair sins. If you didn't use any of your OP self buffs then maybe we could talk about you being fair, but otherwise just don't post.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I love how some of the sins in this thread think they're better than other sins because they don't use stealth in 1v1.

It's not like it's stealth that makes you guys OP. It's the...

OP damage
zerk crits
Can't be 1 hit
50-66% chance to evade negative statuses
25% chance to take 1 damage
Gain chi like crazy
Have every control skill in game
Teleports


So yeah, stop acting like you're the fun and fair sins. If you didn't use any of your OP self buffs then maybe we could talk about you being fair, but otherwise just don't post.

So we would become a useless class? we already get 1-shotted by every1 (don`t give me that deaden nerves ****, it only gives back 35 pct (demon) which is nearly nothing), of course if you are are a credit card wh ore you can have insane hp and def, heck let`s take every buff away from game then it will be fair! And don`t whine when you can do instances faster cause of sins or other aps monkeys, then every1 is happy, when it comes to pvp it is long gone dead, take away no skill god mode wannabe r9 ***-wipes and "tweak" sins I don`t give a damn anyway, this game has become stupid as it is where every1 can buy power just by dragging the credit card across the but crack.

truekossy

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

So we would become a useless class? we already get 1-shotted by every1 (don`t give me that deaden nerves ****, it only gives back 35 pct (demon) which is nearly nothing),

Stopped reading right here. It's called a charm. Oh and dodging 1-shots by taking 1 damage instead cause focused mind is pro like that.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Stopped reading right here. It's called a charm. Oh and dodging 1-shots by taking 1 damage instead cause focused mind is pro like that.

Charms are expensive b:bye and it is a chance, let`s say your luck is really rotten? b:chuckle

truekossy

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Charms are expensive b:bye and it is a chance, let`s say your luck is really rotten? b:chuckle

Chance that happens way too often for my liking. QQ

And as for the charms being expensive part.... get the free ones from event botique? b:cute

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Chance that happens way too often for my liking. QQ

And as for the charms being expensive part.... get the free ones from event botique? b:cute

I`m very lazy to do something in game besides doing my dailies, occasionally farm brim and that`s about it, PWI is no fun anymore anyway, it has become somewhat of a chore. b:sad

Olbaze - Sanctuary

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I love how some of the sins in this thread think they're better than other sins because they don't use stealth in 1v1.

It's not like it's stealth that makes you guys OP. It's the...

OP damage
zerk crits
Can't be 1 hit
50-66% chance to evade negative statuses
25% chance to take 1 damage
Gain chi like crazy
Have every control skill in game
Teleports

1. Archers get pretty good damage. Fist BMs also have pretty good damage. And I'm quite sure that a sin cannot one-shot Dragoons, whereas I've seen barbs do just that.
2. BMs and Barbs also get zerk crits
3. Only 2/3 of the time due to effect:cooldown ratio. And you can "circumvent" that by triggering the effect.
4. Tidal Protection and Focused Mind cannot be active at the same time.
5. Last time I checked, 4-5 aps also got pretty good chi.
6. Last I checked, other classes had teleports as well.

Helbear - Heavens Tear

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

THIS + THIS = THIS

I'm pretty sure that is the wrong way around. It should be monkey + credit card = sin

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

They are beyond perfect. b:bye

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Archers get pretty good damage. Fist BMs also have pretty good damage. And I'm quite sure that a sin cannot one-shot Dragoons, whereas I've seen barbs do just that.
2. BMs and Barbs also get zerk crits
3. Only 2/3 of the time due to effect:cooldown ratio. And you can "circumvent" that by triggering the effect.
4. Tidal Protection and Focused Mind cannot be active at the same time.
5. Last time I checked, 4-5 aps also got pretty good chi.
6. Last I checked, other classes had teleports as well.

1. What was the barb? r9? r8 +10? Btw one shotting dragons =/= PvP balance, but good argument.
And yes archers have good damage, but they don't have all those other buffs that sins do. And comparing fists damage to daggers is funny.

2. Wolf emblem zerk crits out of stealth?

3. It still makes stun locking a sin damn near impossible, and makes it harder for other classes like clerics/wizards that don't have many control skills to begin with

4. I'm aware of that. Both are OP though, what's your point?

5. Sure if somebody just plans to stand there and let you hit them. Plus 4-5aps is slightly more expensive than lvl 1 rds and tackling slash + lvl 10 inner harmony amirite?

6. Classes? Plural? Thought it was just seeker. Or maybe you meant distance shrink for wizards? Even then those classes only have one. Assassin's have 2. One to stun with long cooldown, other with much lower cooldown. Seekers only have the long cooldown one, wizards the short cooldown one.

Are we really going to debate whether or not sins are OP? Go watch some of cheze's 1v1 vids. He doesn't stealth and hardly has any trouble killing other classes.

Evict - Heavens Tear

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Are we really going to debate whether or not sins are OP? Go watch some of cheze's 1v1 vids. He doesn't stealth and hardly has any trouble killing other classes.

Cheze could be an NPC-gear Veno and still **** **** up.

Fintan - Lost City

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Cheze could be an NPC-gear Veno and still **** **** up.

Cheze is pro. I swear you could roll Cheze a totally random character with some seriously ****ed up gear, and you'd still die to the result... b:shocked

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

Helbear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is the wrong way around. It should be monkey + credit card = sin

Not really... The sin class is already an establish variable. The credit card is an equation entry, the monkey is just the pratical solution. b:laugh

Olbaze - Sanctuary

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

1. What was the barb? r9? r8 +10? Btw one shotting dragons =/= PvP balance, but good argument.
And yes archers have good damage, but they don't have all those other buffs that sins do. And comparing fists damage to daggers is funny.

2. Wolf emblem zerk crits out of stealth?

3. It still makes stun locking a sin damn near impossible, and makes it harder for other classes like clerics/wizards that don't have many control skills to begin with

4. I'm aware of that. Both are OP though, what's your point?

5. Sure if somebody just plans to stand there and let you hit them. Plus 4-5aps is slightly more expensive than lvl 1 rds and tackling slash + lvl 10 inner harmony amirite?

6. Classes? Plural? Thought it was just seeker. Or maybe you meant distance shrink for wizards? Even then those classes only have one. Assassin's have 2. One to stun with long cooldown, other with much lower cooldown. Seekers only have the long cooldown one, wizards the short cooldown one.

1. Granted, that was a full +12 R9 Barb with 47k HP using Arma.
2. Boo boo, you're complaining about stealth here, not the zerkcrits. So make that your #2.
3. Yeah because those skills totally don't have a 90 second shared CD so you can totally switch them around like a shirt whenever you feel like it.
4. Point being that you don't get "and", you get "or".
5. Not my point.
6. Well, I don't play Bm or Wizard, but they have skills that should have the same function. And hey, if you're gonna complain about Shadow Tele, complain about Voidstep, it's the exact same thing.

Are we really going to debate whether or not sins are OP? Go watch some of cheze's 1v1 vids. He doesn't stealth and hardly has any trouble killing other classes.

You also better go check his gear. I'm pretty sure he's not running around with +3 TT90s.

Dethprowl - Raging Tide

The people that play sins are going to destroy the class themselves. With all the bragging about soloing this and that and all the aps farming squads that ignore everyone but the odd cleric here and there more people are starting sin alts to get in on the action. In short they are flooding the world with sins to the point that sins are basically going to become just really efficient farmers.
Im already seeing TW faction recruiting messages asking for EVERYTHING BUT SINS. There are too many of them already and more being powerleveled each day. Its great for established players just looking to fish farm some quick coin, but new players coming in and choosing the sin as THE toon they want to finish the game with will probably wind up ignored by the time they get to a TW level.
Either way it works out great for PWI, the alt farmers need them aps gears to make speedy mat runs and all the noobs unknowingly creating a farm hand are going to have to reroll to a wanted class if they want to be accepted in a TW faction, thus needing new cs gears. Look for the unending pack sale to continue.

So in closing those that hate sins take heart and be patient, sooner or later theyll be pushed to Nirvana and TT, out of sight of respectable toons and forced to make money for other toons to buy TW gear, pots and charms.

Vorbane - Harshlands

Sins are Archers, neutered of there long range, given daggers, 5 million close range ccs, stealth, 2 butt savers and an over powered buff that will make you able to solo any mid tier dungeon at 100 with mediocre gear. Congrats you picked the class that can insta gib all other classes in PK, farm pve like no other and sucks in TW no matter how much you cash shop.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

You also better go check his gear. I'm pretty sure he's not running around with +3 TT90s.

Neither are the people he fights

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Dethprowl - Raging Tide wrote: »

The people that play sins are going to destroy the class themselves. With all the bragging about soloing this and that and all the aps farming squads that ignore everyone but the odd cleric here and there more people are starting sin alts to get in on the action. In short they are flooding the world with sins to the point that sins are basically going to become just really efficient farmers.
Im already seeing TW faction recruiting messages asking for EVERYTHING BUT SINS. There are too many of them already and more being powerleveled each day. Its great for established players just looking to fish farm some quick coin, but new players coming in and choosing the sin as THE toon they want to finish the game with will probably wind up ignored by the time they get to a TW level.

Or the whole "don't want sins" thing could be because... sins are bad at TW? They're really good at 1v1s and open PK and PvE at endgame. But TW? Lots of better choices for that. So all a faction needs to do is have just enough sins to get all the goodies, e.g. constant fast nirvanas, TTs and WBs. After that, you get the TW rollers. And then the sins are used to gear the TW rollers. And if all goes well, by the time the TW rollers have been funded with full nirvana equipment with +10 refines and G11 shards, the sins will have quit the game.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Neither are the people he fights

The point still stands: He's not winning just because he's a sin.