Sins need to be nerfed QQ

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Sins create a nice catch 22 in pwi.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Kreuz - Raging Tide wrote: »

I bet he is also this kind of person who will say: " A 2.86 aps sin is better than a 5 aps BM/Archer"

^- i read this kind of **** very often recently.

I actually recently compared the two, because I'll probably end up duoing things with my friend's 5 aps barb. Turned out that, at +10, 2x Garnet Gems in an R8 dagger, I'd have more DPS than he at +10 2x Garnet Gem Deicide @ 5aps.

Oh and btw, 5 aps archers have ****ty DPS because they don't stat str.

2.86 aps Sage sin with 85,297 DPS
5 aps clawarcher with 76,374 DPS
5 aps BM with 82,994 DPS
2.86 aps R9 Sage sin with 108,120 DPS

You might argue that the BM is "fail" because it only has minimum str TT90 axes. But then again, the sin isn't sharded with 24 DoTs either.

In terms of firepower, the order is:
R9 Demon Sin > R9 Sage Sin > Demon Sin > Sage Sin > Bm > Barb > Archer

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I actually recently compared the two, because I'll probably end up duoing things with my friend's 5 aps barb. Turned out that, at +10, 2x Garnet Gems in an R8 dagger, I'd have more DPS than he at +10 2x Garnet Gem Deicide @ 5aps.

Oh and btw, 5 aps archers have ****ty DPS because they don't stat str.

2.86 aps Sage sin with 85,297 DPS
5 aps clawarcher with 76,374 DPS
5 aps BM with 82,994 DPS
2.86 aps R9 Sage sin with 108,120 DPS

You might argue that the BM is "fail" because it only has minimum str TT90 axes. But then again, the sin isn't sharded with 24 DoTs either.

In terms of firepower, the order is:
R9 Demon Sin > R9 Sage Sin > Demon Sin > Sage Sin > Bm > Barb > Archer

Barbs do more self buffed DPS than bm's

you forgot to factor blazeing arrow on your archer

...why sage sins lol demon spark = 4 aps with the same gear

truekossy

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

...why sage sins lol demon spark = 4 aps with the same gear

He was responding to someone mentioning 2.86 APS sins. If it was a demon sparked sin, he couldn't use that comparison because unless the demon was 2.0 or 2.22 base, he wouldn't be 2.86 sparked.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

He was responding to someone mentioning 2.86 APS sins. If it was a demon sparked sin, he couldn't use that comparison because unless the demon was 2.0 or 2.22 base, he wouldn't be 2.86 sparked.

Ah ty

upsides

Sesshomaru - Lothranis wrote: »

Dont believe a Sin can take out a full squad of R9s (unless they give a 5 minutes no attack). And you said no stealth too. Lets say all the R9ers just drops ulti on this "Top Sin" of yours, how in the universe can it survive?

You really gotta prove this lol

Prove it? It already happened,multiple times...Welcome to LC.

Nniotora - Lost City

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I actually recently compared the two, because I'll probably end up duoing things with my friend's 5 aps barb. Turned out that, at +10, 2x Garnet Gems in an R8 dagger, I'd have more DPS than he at +10 2x Garnet Gem Deicide @ 5aps.

Oh and btw, 5 aps archers have ****ty DPS because they don't stat str.

2.86 aps Sage sin with 85,297 DPS
5 aps clawarcher with 76,374 DPS
5 aps BM with 82,994 DPS
2.86 aps R9 Sage sin with 108,120 DPS

You might argue that the BM is "fail" because it only has minimum str TT90 axes. But then again, the sin isn't sharded with 24 DoTs either.

In terms of firepower, the order is:
R9 Demon Sin > R9 Sage Sin > Demon Sin > Sage Sin > Bm > Barb > Archer

nice using full dex sin vs vit bm b:shutup trolls should not post b:bye

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

nice using full dex sin vs vit bm b:shutup trolls should not post b:bye

Make the BM full str. It will get a bit more DPS than the non-R9 Sage sin. Won't compare to the R9.

Now put DoTs on either. Oops, BM loses.

Point stands.

Kreuz - Raging Tide

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I actually recently compared the two, because I'll probably end up duoing things with my friend's 5 aps barb. Turned out that, at +10, 2x Garnet Gems in an R8 dagger, I'd have more DPS than he at +10 2x Garnet Gem Deicide @ 5aps.

Oh and btw, 5 aps archers have ****ty DPS because they don't stat str.

2.86 aps Sage sin with 85,297 DPS
5 aps clawarcher with 76,374 DPS
5 aps BM with 82,994 DPS
2.86 aps R9 Sage sin with 108,120 DPS

You might argue that the BM is "fail" because it only has minimum str TT90 axes. But then again, the sin isn't sharded with 24 DoTs either.

In terms of firepower, the order is:
R9 Demon Sin > R9 Sage Sin > Demon Sin > Sage Sin > Bm > Barb > Archer

Thanks for the compare. In terms of damage they are indeed better than BM, that is what i know already (i play both Sin 4aps r8 + BM 5 APS TT100 Fist). But does it makes Sins really better?

Would you like to take a Sin to Delta or TW because they are "better" than BM or Archer?

Or which squad is more effective:

a Squad full of Sins or 3 Sins 1 Veno 1 BM 1 Barb squad? (Vs boss killing for example)

Hope you get my point.

Last time i got asked by a Sin "What is the different between a 2.86 Sin and a 5 Aps BM?"
After he got rejected by an Nirvana squad.

Sure, damagewise Sin wins but for usefullness for the squad BM will win.

brent40

Once the numbers at the PWI base shows x amount of people are not rolling sins and spending Y amount of $ (because everyone has a sin now) They will then edit some files, nerf them to oblivion, then create somthing in game that makes another class more attractive...


Don't believe they can do this? Ask the BMs.

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide

u dont like aps , lets see wht aps doing in game !

aps works for pve only . but can u be compared to full r9 sharded JsD's in PvP .

Why dont u see people like Psy , Wizard , Cleric , barbarian that can get Full r9 and shard it JsD's ? some can have 80 def lvl !

can u kill "barbarian full r9 sharded JsD's +10 all " with r9 sin or 5 aps sin ?
try and see wht u can do . most sin's will fail even with +10 all gear +12 daggers .
maybe he cant kill me , but its like hitting a rock !!

psy with reflect ability and def lvls , u think it normal to kill ?

veno full r9 can solo emperor in TT3-2 i've seen with my eyes . while a sin 15K hp +12 daggers would die 2-3 times to make it 1 time . charmed will apothecary pots !

u just jelious of seeing someone kill mobs or bosses FAST ! Go cure ur sickness .

SinfuINature - Harshlands

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

Only braindead idiots swear by that argument. GG PW sins when theres no clerics to buff/heal/rez you, no BMs to buff and HF, No barbs to buff and tank what you cant, No venos to amp and support etc etc.
Find a real argument that involves some kind of logic or took some manner of thinking to reach for the sake of your class's image.

I understand this kind of thread is tired but Ffs I don't know how this level and grade of brain phail gets so widely used as an acceptable argument.

there is a nerf sin QQ thread every week lol... what they need to nerf are those PRO R9 Psychic... talking about QQ needs a nerf... b:surrender

Prophete - Dreamweaver

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

veno full r9 can solo emperor in TT3-2 i've seen with my eyes . while a sin 15K hp +12 daggers would die 2-3 times to make it 1 time . charmed will apothecary pots !

u just jelious of seeing someone kill mobs or bosses FAST ! Go cure ur sickness .

Hmmm, a sin with that gear solos emperor easily...
Don't talk about things you don't know.

upsides

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »

u dont like aps , lets see wht aps doing in game !

aps works for pve only . but can u be compared to full r9 sharded JsD's in PvP .

Why dont u see people like Psy , Wizard , Cleric , barbarian that can get Full r9 and shard it JsD's ? some can have 80 def lvl !

can u kill "barbarian full r9 sharded JsD's +10 all " with r9 sin or 5 aps sin ?
try and see wht u can do . most sin's will fail even with +10 all gear +12 daggers .
maybe he cant kill me , but its like hitting a rock !!

psy with reflect ability and def lvls , u think it normal to kill ?

veno full r9 can solo emperor in TT3-2 i've seen with my eyes . while a sin 15K hp +12 daggers would die 2-3 times to make it 1 time . charmed will apothecary pots !

u just jelious of seeing someone kill mobs or bosses FAST ! Go cure ur sickness .

Yes, R9 Sins can kill R9 WBs through turtle,dew, and solid shield.

^ Quoted from someone else

Okeano - Harshlands

Clearly the balance of a MMO game is shown by the fact that everyone is rolling one class.

Asone - Raging Tide

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@Asone:

About #2: Very active? May I have an screenshot of how many people a "decent" non FF/Nirv/BH100/TW faction may have? - I have been in really like 20 factions and now my main is finally in a really active faction (56+ players online with 80+ people for TW) now you call that active

About #3: You said it's your first class, so you can't comment on that lol. I know people which made sins as alts and now the sin is their main because they have a lot of fun with it, - yes they did QQ a lot of them and now they just joined them. - Also I am making a sin and I'm loving it, and loving how people keep QQing about how sins stealth spark and kill on 1/1 / PK. ^ -^


Ugh, okay got it you guys are gonna nerd-rage and QQ non-stop about it. xD - guess the topic /facepalm

Simply don't want to shut you guys up - not in a good mood... -, lets continue with the non-Assassin owners QQ - ktybye.

Actually, why is this topic still open? Isn't this QQ just like a since-sin-was-released old topic which didnt even get anything positive?

I know its good not to necro threads, but, seriously? again?, pff. Go eat cookies or something better.

- off to sleep ^^

About 2# That was not even the point I was making. Just Extra Info. Please go back and read it again. I'm also adding for a fact that I said "my server" not yours.

About 3# I did not comment, I questioned. There is a difference. So please, tell me, what did I comment on?

Correction, it was my first class. I have built and leveled many other classes since then. Old news.

Then don't bother answering, you'll just get a bigger head ach.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Barbs do more self buffed DPS than bm's

you forgot to factor blazeing arrow on your archer

Of course, self-buffed a barb has a total of +90% to weapon damage from Titans and Poison Fang, compared to the +75% of a BM. That's the reason a friend of mine is rerolling clawbarb from fist bm. That and the advantage of always having barb buffs.

An Archer, however, only gets ~+53% from Blazing Arrow, which is not even close to the +75% of Fist Mastery and won't really change the fact that Archers are mostly pure dex, so they just won't out-DPS a similarly geared BM.

Also, if we're on the topic of self-buffs, I could've given the Sage sins the wolf emblem multiplier to their crit, which would've made the difference between the sins and the BM even larger. Because really, that extra 7-8% crit? Turns into 5-6% more DPS.

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide

Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hmmm, a sin with that gear solos emperor easily...
Don't talk about things you don't know.

NAB i've been doing emperor before u was born

iam 15K hp buffed with zerk on G15 daggers 5 aps , with apothecary pot with me charmed and still DIE 2, 3 time to kill it once .

Emperor can : Seal (for few sec) , stun ( for few sec ) , Bubble (for few sec), slow atk rate to 1 aps

and hit 3-4-5-6K's physical damage , 8-10K magic damage .

and may do all his debuffs in 10 -20 at last 1 mil hp .Show me how u kill !