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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I'm saying that either cultivation is better then the other, they really are completly different playstles.
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  • Axisboldone - Heavens Tear
    Axisboldone - Heavens Tear Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    If the top two TW guilds on your sever are all r8 +10 min and mostly r9 +10 but your gear is r8 and only +5 except for a +10 weapon, then you quickly realize Demon Stone Barrier alone is reason enough to say **** going sage. Anything Sage can do for me I can do with with a stock pile of white tea.
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Axisboldone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If the top two TW guilds on your sever are all r8 +10 min and mostly r9 +10 but your gear is r8 and only +5 except for a +10 weapon, then you quickly realize Demon Stone Barrier alone is reason enough to say **** going sage. Anything Sage can do for me I can do with with a stock pile of white tea.

    well you could also see it from the other side if those people are all so well geared that only a crit can kill them (because they survive 1 ulti hit non crit) your chance to still 1 shot people is better when you have sage bids. Even if there is the crit bonus on demon masteries the crit proc on sage bids gives you a better chance to get people down with crit in mass pvp.

    the use of apos is also no point because a sage wiz could also use them. Moreover especially in pve the mini debuffs on the attack skills are nice to have and also sage shrink rocks. As a demon wiz you are better suited for 1v1 pvp but as sage wiz you are there for big aoe blows and due to masteries the normal dmg of a sage wiz will be higher. You also should not underestimate the sage barriers in terms of pve because the additional resistances help a lot when you know the attack type of the mobs. For instance ice dmg mobs in OHT3 are hardly doing dmg with water barrier on. And even if demon stone barrier is fine normal pdef wont save you from attacks that come with endgame weapons and + att lvls

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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I went sage because the spark looked nicer. I didn't even read the skills =]
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Axisboldone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If the top two TW guilds on your sever are all r8 +10 min and mostly r9 +10 but your gear is r8 and only +5 except for a +10 weapon, then you quickly realize Demon Stone Barrier alone is reason enough to say **** going sage. Anything Sage can do for me I can do with with a stock pile of white tea.

    Sorry, but demon stone barrier doesn't all of a sudden mean you'll survive against r9 chars.. it's a slight edge over sage barrier. Besides, sage doesn't need to waste apoth cooldown on white tea, we are free to use defensive apoth.. and defensive apoth will help you survive FAR better than having demon stone barrier. *rolls eyes*
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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I'm pretty sure this guy is talking about doing something like this:
    spawn in base>await seal>chi pot>fly mount>frostblade a couple times>cloud erup>get back to a fight with full chi.

    apoths already cooled down, genie mostly recharged. imo for chi in tw, sage only has the edge once your alreayd fighting. sage pyro, master li, etc. or if your enemy is in base master li is really nice once you die.
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  • Fistol - Raging Tide
    Fistol - Raging Tide Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    just to share..

    I just went sageb:chuckle

    What make me decide to go sage

    is probably

    Sage stone barrier + sage spark has more defense then demon barrier.
    Sage emberstorm doesnt tick my charm
    Chi gaining skill is better than the chi losing skill since i pve most of the time.
    Sage BiDs is awesome,
    Ulti have a chance to be 1 spark.. would be cool to be able to launch a few ulti with sutra.
    Sage DB stuns.. I love it on my DB then my Emberstorm..
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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    so you sage emberstorm, then get charm bypassed by some 2 spark sin. i wish i was that pro
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Yeah well our glacial snare lowers your water resistance by 20% AND it doesnt stack with undine. Take THAT demons b:heart
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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    sutra>seal>glacial snare>bids GG glacial snare wont tick their charm and it debuffs a little extra for bids XD. gotten quite a few tougher targets down like that
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    nice to see two of the players who (ought to) know better, properly defending sage now that a demon trololol has appeared. my work here is done.

    i love how the aforementioned demon trololol went the "lol chi, i just use white teas" route that i expressly forbade several pages ago because i've grown weary of shooting it down. thank you sir, for giving this thread your misguided foolishness against which we can unite our sagely forces.

    also don't forget the (often 50% crit) gush at the end of that combo.
  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    sutra>seal>glacial snare>bids GG glacial snare wont tick their charm and it debuffs a little extra for bids XD. gotten quite a few tougher targets down like that

    id rather throw an undine in there rather than go on glacials debuffb:surrender
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    thing is with +10 r8 and 40atk lvls. i'll one hit tick ppls charm with glacial with undien up. and i wont quite do enough dmaage with undine gush to set up a good bypass.

    and also ppl dont see that combo coming because you dont undine them. giving them a little less reaction time to AD or run away.
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Oh, I was totally being sarcastic x/x
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    and also ppl dont see that combo coming because you dont undine them. giving them a little less reaction time to AD or run away.

    yeah, the lack of undine is what makes it unpredictable. lots of players will AD as soon as they see undine because they stand a decent chance of getting 1-hit. it's nice to queue up a gush at the end in case your blizzard blast crits and ticks hiero on the first hit though.

    bb's debuff isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing (especially pre-ice dragon) and is less predictable than OMG I GOT UNDINED HIT AD. it's definitely a question of knowing thy target, though. for some targets, that combo is overkill; for others there are better ways of spending your 4 sparks.
  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    yeah, the lack of undine is what makes it unpredictable. lots of players will AD as soon as they see undine because they stand a decent chance of getting 1-hit. it's nice to queue up a gush at the end in case your blizzard blast crits and ticks hiero on the first hit though.

    bb's debuff isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing (especially pre-ice dragon) and is less predictable than OMG I GOT UNDINED HIT AD. it's definitely a question of knowing thy target, though. for some targets, that combo is overkill; for others there are better ways of spending your 4 sparks.

    You fight people that AD right when they're undined? lol. Thanks for killing your genie for a skill with a 1 second cooldown, I'll kite you then kill you when AD is down b:dirty b:flower b:heart b:heart
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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lawl, undine>gush>dragon will make ppl AD pretty fast. or they will AD soon as they see sutra. hell in open pvp now i dont even cancel my dragon when someone AD's i jsut aoe them to kill all the nab sins around XD.

    either or it doesnt matter i'll kite and build chi back up then try for the kill shot again after an occult, or whatever genie skill i may see.

    @Hardtothink its really funny when you undine then sleep and ppl AD.
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Oh since we're talking about sage and demon where do you get sage earth barrier again? I can't find it! =/

    *nvm google is my friend*
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    Oh since we're talking about sage and demon where do you get sage earth barrier again? I can't find it! =/

    *nvm google is my friend*

    I bought mine at AH for 7M.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I bought mine at AH for 7M.

    fufuufufu, I had to pay like 20m D:
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  • Sun_Burn - Lost City
    Sun_Burn - Lost City Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    think i got mine for 10 a few months ago :3(sage)
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    i made two sage barriers and a divine pyro while trying for db lol
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    You fight people that AD right when they're undined? lol. Thanks for killing your genie for a skill with a 1 second cooldown

    i do fight people who do that, because the majority of them tend to end up dead if they don't. but yes, that's after they see sutra as well.

    typically the only purpose it serves is giving their squadmates time to try to stun me if i'm not using a pk potion, otherwise yeah, it just delays their death by a few seconds.
  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    i do fight people who do that, because the majority of them tend to end up dead if they don't. but yes, that's after they see sutra as well.

    typically the only purpose it serves is giving their squadmates time to try to stun me if i'm not using a pk potion, otherwise yeah, it just delays their death by a few seconds.

    What are you running around in full r9 undine gush shotting hh90s or something? x/x
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    fufuufufu, I had to pay like 20m D:

    But it was looooong time ago. When prices were not so high. I also bought there for 6M fire phoenix. I never see this skill at AH since then.
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