I NEED HELP WITH R8 pls!!

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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How does a thread went from a no-name asking for a r8 to who can get away with the ****test gear possible?
    When someone actually suggests that he save his money?

    Sacrilege, I know. XD
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  • Sharuum - Lost City
    Sharuum - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I took the liberty for you. :P (and I corrected the lack of lunar ring in the R8 build while I was at it)

    R8 still loses. In fact, now it loses to the 90 green in both categories, which is frankly hilarious.

    I understand that you are only focusing on one side of the argument, but to be honest, the 100-400 hp increase that you get from using worse gear is blown away by the offensive improvements of r8. Its really a laughable argument in that sense.

    Less than 10% HP bonus (can't even really quantify 10% as being great until high refines) versus losing 2000 min matk, 4000 max matk, 5% crit, 6% channel (and thats only assuming you use that blue ring). Why are we even having this argument? Anyone with decent gear will kill you just as fast with r8 or hh99, but at least with r8 you have a chance to shoot first.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    oy vey.

    if Miug's argument confuses you, then take his example builds --- all of them --- and restat away that confusing vit into mag. NOW how does the rank 8 have more survivability than the TT90?

    (i'm asking honestly, by the way. some day i might wonder whether to get rank on my own casters, or get rank armor as the AA part of a HA/AA veno, and if it doesn't deliver better survivability then why bother?)
    It (R8 over TT99) increases the ability to survive first and foremost (and yes PVE server, everyone does PVE) by magic attack and better heals. While having HP is nice for adding survivability, it will not help keep a tank alive more than stronger heals. It only takes doing Nirvans and 3-2/3-3 as a cleric to understand where vit build clerics more often fail than not.

    The reason I pointed that out was because anyone adept at playing or understanding a cleric will not stupidly suggest that TT99 is going to help a cleric survive just the same as R8. Miugre did just that, and deserves the assailing he gets. Other clerics who have actually had a vit build, had TT99 weapons, and also consequently had R8, might actually understand what he doesn't. That would be yours truly.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It (R8 over TT99) increases the ability to survive first and foremost (and yes PVE server, everyone does PVE) by magic attack and better heals. While having HP is nice for adding survivability, it will not help keep a tank alive more than stronger heals. It only takes doing Nirvans and 3-2/3-3 as a cleric to understand where vit build clerics more often fail than not.

    The reason I pointed that out was because anyone adept at playing or understanding a cleric will not stupidly suggest that TT99 is going to help a cleric survive just the same as R8. Miugre did just that, and deserves the assailing he gets. Other clerics who have actually had a vit build, had TT99 weapons, and also consequently had R8, might actually understand what he doesn't. That would be yours truly.
    Yes, I deserve to be assailed for an oversight on a topic that wasn't even being discussed.

    The person I responded to was talking about personal survivability, not squad survivability, and more importantly wasn't even talking about clerics to begin with. A cleric's was just the build I had handy and I figured it would illustrate my point just as well, since the point I was responding to did not list anything inherently class-specific.

    Or do I need to resave those builds again with the class changed to "wizard?" Would that make you feel better? -_- Because I guarantee you it wouldn't change the point.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    the point is statting 100 vit at endgame is dumb.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the point is statting 100 vit at endgame is dumb.
    The point is that nobody asked about vit. The discussion had nothing to DO with vit.

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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i didnt post a bunch of 100 vit builds to try and prove some kind of survivability point.
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  • PooRitan - Sanctuary
    PooRitan - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    as wizard, if you want to earn coins by farming, your best choice is still by far delta.
    wizards will be always usefull there and you can make 3-4m a run
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well as a mage you're useless for farming (inb4 5aps QQ) so you can't farm coins.


    You say you can't cash shop.


    Your only options are either reroll or merch. Just get like 25mil. Buy 18 gold. Get 50 packs. Put them in a cat shop at a slight mark up. They should sell pretty fast. Keep doing this until you can afford to buy 100 packs at a time. Then 150, then 200. Once you have enough money start looking for people selling things like vit stones, lunar ornaments/weapons, gems, etc. Learn the prices and buy low and sell high. This helps if you're able to go on when the server is most quiet. I get off work at 2am. When I log on the server is very quiet and I'm able to buy things at a low price since I don't have any competition. The other night I got a +5 lunar ring at 21mil. If it was during the day if I offered 21mil the guy would have 10 people PM him offering 22mil.


    The key is patience. Merching isn't hard but the big trap that most people (including myself) who try to merch fall into, is that they try to save up for something. They merch until they have it, and then spend all their coins, leaving them with nothing to buy/sell with.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well as a mage you're useless for farming (inb4 5aps QQ) so you can't farm coins.
    ...

    Player got his/her 80th level Wizard using the FC.

    He/she had coins on this.

    Further ways of his/her "game" are dependent from his/her aim.

    1. He/she want to get level 105 (?)

    Use FC until level 105 and you are winner.

    2. He/she want to have expensive gear for PvP.
    Methods described above by Rawrgh - Raging Tide.

    As had been said already R8 will cost real time or real money.
    3. There can't be other aims for such "players".
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  • Chickpea - Lost City
    Chickpea - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wanna explain that one to me?

    I have here a couple builds that I might potentially use if I get my (Arch server) cleric high enough to use them. I know it's not a wiz but bear with me here.
    Build with TT90 Green & Phys. Ornaments & 90 green wep
    Same build with TT99 Gold Armor and 99 green wep
    Same build as the TT99, with R8 Armor & Wep
    (only cleric buffs are used)

    Here the R8 build just barely beats the 90 green build in HP (< 100) and barely loses to the 90 green build in pdef. To the 99 gold build it wins in pdef but loses in HP. In either case, these look roughly comparable to me.

    So yes, please explain to me how my cleric will get rolled by a physical aoe boss with TT90, but not with r8.


    So they don't have to pay to win? o.o


    Yeah that cleric would let others pay for him instead...

    When you heal with only 7-8k magic attack peoples charms will tick and they might even die/have to keep health up with crab meats. Level 100 cleric with that low magic attack is useless so it doesn't matter if you can tank bosses aoe. I would never let that cleric join my party with those horrible heals, just Blood Paint heals way more.

    Reason for getting R8 is the channeling and the high magic attack, not defense. We all know that R8 gear doesn't have much higher survivability than TT90 for AA.

    Anyway if OP wants R8 and plays wizards he needs to live in Archo West all day and start merchandising.

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