I NEED HELP WITH R8 pls!!

Arianix - Lost City

hi people b:bye i need help to get r8 since it costs over 80-100mil coins and that sux for real i dunno how to grind that money so pls help a weak wiz the way to get r8 b:surrender cant use $ pls i want faster in game ways not wasting real money for a game -.- b:thanks

Woneo - Harshlands

Dance for money

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City

you're either gonna need to go spend some $$$ or get to farming man lol

There are ways to make money, so get out there and make someb:bye

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Actually, you picked the worst class for farming.
You need to have some sort of money making class OR real $$$ to make a decent wizzie.
I suggest rolling a sin for farming and using the money for your wizzie.
You can start farming TT and selling the mats to gear up your sin to actually make good cash, level him to 100 and start selling FC instances, then use that money to make your wizzie awesome.

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Actually, you picked the worst class for farming.
You need to have some sort of money making class OR real $$$ to make a decent wizzie.
I suggest rolling a sin for farming and using the money for your wizzie.
You can start farming TT and selling the mats to gear up your sin to actually make good cash, level him to 100 and start selling FC instances, then use that money to make your wizzie awesome.

lol making a sin is the solution to everything these days i see

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City wrote: »

lol making a sin is the solution to everything these days i see

it is. they are a good farming tool. perma stealth to the bosses + BP = winning

Mustang_Roy - Archosaur

i quit awhile back, but i know that R8 is really good (unless u get R9 that beats it). That means everyone wants R8, not only you...and if you do not want to spend RL money here (not even so costly anymore only 80ish dollars, and with a job its not difficult at all).

Either that or you have to spend A LOT of time in game, for wiz you have these options

1. Catshopping, buy things cheap and sell more exp, i made over 100mil this way easily, but problem is u need a lot of coins to begin with, and u have to know that market prices well

2. Make a sin and farm TT

3. Farm delta, but it is not that easy, and i am not sure if those mats are still exp any more

If you do not spend any RL money tbh, i think wiz is not the right class...most wiz on the server i was in last were hella rich lol. R8 at current price would be too easy for them

Then why make a sin?
Ans: You are GOD in TW (I can get 100 kills per tw back in my day)

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

it is. they are a good farming tool. perma stealth to the bosses + BP = winning

i agree I have a 100 sin myslef, solo frost ftwb:laugh

Arianix - Lost City

i cud use rl money IF i got credit card + too young LOL soo those rich ppl are old **** are over 25+ age LOOL so yea *** those old ppl b:laugh i cud use only 10$ or paymo from where i live in KSA (*** PLACE HATE IT) i use SR so currency is 1$=3.75 SR BUUUT paymo lol 10SR = 1$ plus i lose 5 SR to send a massege that far -.- so the hell with it ill need 800 SR to get just 80 gold b:cryb:surrender

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Forget about Rank 8.

Seriously.

Rank 8 is completely unnecessary for anything unless you plan to go into serious competitive PVP (natch, TW). But then, since you're on Lost City and lv80 after one month, maybe I'm wasting my figurative breath. -_-

If I were you? Save your money, reroll on a PVE server, and get your levels more legitimately. If you're intent on staying on Lost City and doing PK, you're gonna have to "pay to win." >_>

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Give me any race I will still make money, by merching b:chuckle, you can do the same, buy

under priced items, sell more expensive, etc, good for people like me who are damn lazy,

don`t even need a sin alt to farm everything.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forget about Rank 8.

Seriously.

Rank 8 is completely unnecessary for anything unless you plan to go into serious competitive PVP (natch, TW). But then, since you're on Lost City and lv80 after one month, maybe I'm wasting my figurative breath. -_-

If I were you? Save your money, reroll on a PVE server, and get your levels more legitimately. If you're intent on staying on Lost City and doing PK, you're gonna have to "pay to win." >_>

lol if you want to compete in anything, pve or pvp wise, as a wiz, you should have atleast R8. and if not R8, some damn good armor. like DAMN good. you'll get rolled by any physical aoeing boss, and then get pwnd by anyone you see if you step out of SZ.

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forget about Rank 8.

Seriously.

Rank 8 is completely unnecessary for anything unless you plan to go into serious competitive PVP (natch, TW). But then, since you're on Lost City and lv80 after one month, maybe I'm wasting my figurative breath. -_-

If I were you? Save your money, reroll on a PVE server, and get your levels more legitimately. If you're intent on staying on Lost City and doing PK, you're gonna have to "pay to win." >_>

hes on lost city because its the best server, why would anyone reroll to a boring pve server o_o

Arianix - Lost City

lol ofc lost city is the best server there is ;p and angel if so give me 100mil b:shocked ;p

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Arianix - Lost City wrote: »

lol ofc lost city is the best server there is ;p and angel if so give me 100mil b:shocked ;p

I`m buying and reselling all the time, hence, don`t keep large amounts of money b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Muigre insists on playing the game like it was 2 years ago, and neither common sense nor convincing argument will sway him.

Arianix - Lost City

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Muigre insists on playing the game like it was 2 years ago, and neither common sense nor convincing argument will sway him.

huh? LOL didnt understand anything ey where u from? xD

Miugre - Heavens Tear

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

lol if you want to compete in anything, pve or pvp wise, as a wiz, you should have atleast R8. and if not R8, some damn good armor. like DAMN good. you'll get rolled by any physical aoeing boss, and then get pwnd by anyone you
see if you step out of SZ.

Wanna explain that one to me?

I have here a couple builds that I might potentially use if I get my (Arch server) cleric high enough to use them. I know it's not a wiz but bear with me here.
Build with TT90 Green & Phys. Ornaments & 90 green wep
Same build with TT99 Gold Armor and 99 green wep
Same build as the TT99, with R8 Armor & Wep
(only cleric buffs are used)

Here the R8 build just barely beats the 90 green build in HP (< 100) and barely loses to the 90 green build in pdef. To the 99 gold build it wins in pdef but loses in HP. In either case, these look roughly comparable to me.

So yes, please explain to me how my cleric will get rolled by a physical aoe boss with TT90, but not with r8.

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City wrote: »

hes on lost city because its the best server, why would anyone reroll to a boring pve server o_o

So they don't have to pay to win? o.o

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here the R8 build just barely beats the 90 green build in HP (< 100) and barely loses to the 90 green build in pdef. To the 99 gold build it wins in pdef but loses in HP. In either case, these look roughly comparable to me.

I think the R8 build should use the Lunar ring as well.

- R8 - http://pwcalc.com/35b5e5df49b42b4c
- TT99 - http://pwcalc.com/b763637e69756ab4 (original link)

R8 vs TT99
Physical Defense: 4099 vs 3871
HP: 4935 vs 5303
Avg Magic Attack: 10458 vs 7474.5

Woneo - Harshlands

Why do people insist on trying to argue their points so fancily.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wanna explain that one to me?

I have here a couple builds that I might potentially use if I get my (Arch server) cleric high enough to use them. I know it's not a wiz but bear with me here.
Build with TT90 Green & Phys. Ornaments & 90 green wep
Same build with TT99 Gold Armor and 99 green wep
Same build as the TT99, with R8 Armor & Wep
(only cleric buffs are used)

Here the R8 build just barely beats the 90 green build in HP (< 100) and barely loses to the 90 green build in pdef. To the 99 gold build it wins in pdef but loses in HP. In either case, these look roughly comparable to me.

So yes, please explain to me how my cleric will get rolled by a physical aoe boss with TT90, but not with r8.

So they don't have to pay to win? o.o

Erm, this cleric would have much more difficult time in an instance like Nirvana.

I also want to consider a few things:

1) Your cleric builds all have 100 vit. There's one fail.

2) You sharded one perfect sapphire in the rank 8. Should have done two.

The difference in magic attack right from that crappy build you have is about THREE THOUSAND. Maybe you haven't played a cleric long enough to know how big a deal that is, but let's just iterate that without insane gear my 100 cleric has 12000 - 15000 magic attack, being pure magic, which is a big deal healing.

I think before you start worrying about r8 you should first learn how to play a cleric. Any cleric that scoffs at about 3000 magic attack is an idiot and should delete their cleric right away.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Arianix - Lost City wrote: »

LOL soo those rich ppl are old **** are over 25+ age

Over 25? b:avoid

But yea, +1 to even Rank 8 being junk. I have rank 8 +10 on my wiz on sanctuary, and 50% of the people in there I can't even tick with BT.

The other 50% are dead, charm ticked, etc., sure, but honestly - its BIDS and BT - trying to avoid getting 1 shot by any, oh, cleric even that comes along for crying outloud - and all other skills are only for building chi, all even with rank 8 +10.

My advice? Without $$$, just make and - interval character and play the game for pve - if you get enough coin to get rank 9, then we can talk. No cash = no wiz for pvp. Period.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Arianix - Lost City wrote: »

huh? LOL didnt understand anything ey where u from? xD

english lessons are going to cost you, and you need to save for rank.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Over 25? b:avoid

But yea, +1 to even Rank 8 being junk. I have rank 8 +10 on my wiz on sanctuary, and 50% of the people in there I can't even tick with BT.

The other 50% are dead, charm ticked, etc., sure, but honestly - its BIDS and BT - trying to avoid getting 1 shot by any, oh, cleric even that comes along for crying outloud - and all other skills are only for building chi, all even with rank 8 +10.

My advice? Without $$$, just make and - interval character and play the game for pve - if you get enough coin to get rank 9, then we can talk. No cash = no wiz for pvp. Period.

100% true.
Guy took very bad class for making money. I would say the worst one. Of course thanks to dev.b:angry

Sharuum - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Erm, this cleric would have much more difficult time in an instance like Nirvana.

I also want to consider a few things:

1) Your cleric builds all have 100 vit. There's one fail.

2) You sharded one perfect sapphire in the rank 8. Should have done two.

The difference in magic attack right from that crappy build you have is about THREE THOUSAND. Maybe you haven't played a cleric long enough to know how big a deal that is, but let's just iterate that without insane gear my 100 cleric has 12000 - 15000 magic attack, being pure magic, which is a big deal healing.

I think before you start worrying about r8 you should first learn how to play a cleric. Any cleric that scoffs at about 3000 magic attack is an idiot and should delete their cleric right away.

You don't need any to know how to play on a carebear server. Nobody can gank you after (or in middle of group) if you fail. And PvP forces people to learn their classes.

And in regards to the cleric having a tough time in NV, I am pretty sure that he gave 3 examples of "good" gear that dont go past HH99. That implies that he has never done, and probably never needs to do NV to get better gear to survive the extra PvP that you encounter on a real server.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forget about Rank 8.

Seriously.

Rank 8 is completely unnecessary for anything unless you plan to go into serious competitive PVP (natch, TW). But then, since you're on Lost City and lv80 after one month, maybe I'm wasting my figurative breath. -_-

If I were you? Save your money, reroll on a PVE server, and get your levels more legitimately. If you're intent on staying on Lost City and doing PK, you're gonna have to "pay to win." >_>

And. if nobody is buying frost/hypering and getting to lv 80 in a week on your server, that just means that nobody cares to play on a PvElol server that removes content from the game. I can't imagine that people would roll on a PvE server then not spend money to frost/hyper. That makes no sense unless your server is dead.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think the R8 build should use the Lunar ring as well.

- R8 - http://pwcalc.com/35b5e5df49b42b4c
- TT99 - http://pwcalc.com/b763637e69756ab4 (original link)

R8 vs TT99
Physical Defense: 4099 vs 3871
HP: 4935 vs 5303
Avg Magic Attack: 10458 vs 7474.5

Oi, did I use the wrong link? Sorry, I was in a rush to leave and right at the end I'd noticed that I replaced the wrong ring on that last one. XD By that point the links were already in the in-progress post. Honest mistake, that.

But yeah, about 200 pdef vs. about 300 HP. Sounds about right.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote:

Erm, this cleric would have much more difficult time in an instance like Nirvana.

I also want to consider a few things:

1) Your cleric builds all have 100 vit. There's one fail.

2) You sharded one perfect sapphire in the rank 8. Should have done two.

The difference in magic attack right from that crappy build you have is about THREE THOUSAND. Maybe you haven't played a cleric long enough to know how big a deal that is, but let's just iterate that without insane gear my 100 cleric has 12000 - 15000 magic attack, being pure magic, which is a big deal healing.

I think before you start worrying about r8 you should first learn how to play a cleric. Any cleric that scoffs at about 3000 magic attack is an idiot and should delete their cleric right away.

Oh FFS.

Let me break it down for you. NiightmareXz was proposing a significant advantage in the defensive abilities of R8 (as compared to other contemporary armor choices which would be cheaper).

I had a couple of cleric builds I'd made just sitting around on a notepad file on my screen. I decided to adapt the TT90 green one just to test this theory. They proved, as I suspected, that R8 is roughly comparable to 90 green and 99 gold... again, in defensive capability.

It doesn't matter what you think of my vit placement. You can go critique my vit placement in the thread I made in the cleric board begging for critiques of my build (protip: there isn't one >_>). I could've given the cleric another 40 or 50 vit for all it matters, because the point of the exercise wasn't my vit.

The point of the exercise was also not about the offensive abilities of R8. Those are obvious. And if you plan to do serious PVP in today's screwed-up PVP system, then yes, having R8 is probably a priority. But 3k matk is not going to have any impact on whether or not you survive a boss's physical aoe.

Sigh. But I suppose I should've remembered that this is the PWI forum, and completely irrelevant critiques are inevitable. -_- That's what I get for leaving for a month, eh? XD

Sharuum - Lost City

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oi, did I use the wrong link? Sorry, I was in a rush to leave and right at the end I'd noticed that I replaced the wrong ring on that last one. XD By that point the links were already in the in-progress post. Honest mistake, that.

But yeah, about 200 pdef vs. about 300 HP. Sounds about right.



Oh FFS.

Let me break it down for you. NiightmareXz was proposing a significant advantage in the defensive abilities of R8 (as compared to other contemporary armor choices which would be cheaper).

I had a couple of cleric builds I'd made just sitting around on a notepad file on my screen. I decided to adapt the TT90 green one just to test this theory. They proved, as I suspected, that R8 is roughly comparable to 90 green and 99 gold... again, in defensive capability.

It doesn't matter what you think of my vit placement. You can go critique my vit placement in the thread I made in the cleric board begging for critiques of my build (protip: there isn't one >_>). I could've given the cleric another 40 or 50 vit for all it matters, because the point of the exercise wasn't my vit.

The point of the exercise was also not about the offensive abilities of R8. Those are obvious. And if you plan to do serious PVP in today's screwed-up PVP system, then yes, having R8 is probably a priority. But 3k matk is not going to have any impact on whether or not you survive a boss's physical aoe.

Sigh. But I suppose I should've remembered that this is the PWI forum, and completely irrelevant critiques are inevitable. -_- That's what I get for leaving for a month, eh? XD

How is it irrelevant when you say that your high survivability comes from having that 100+ vit and use that as an argument as to why r8 isnt as useful?

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »

How is it irrelevant when you say that your high survivability comes from having that 100+ vit and use that as an argument as to why r8 isnt as useful?

It has nothing to do with the vit. I never said it was about that character's absolute survivability. It was his relative survivability in 90/99 gear compared to rank gear. I could have put 5 or 50 or 500 vit and it wouldn't change the fact that all three builds would be relatively equal in survivability. -_-

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

oy vey.

if Miug's argument confuses you, then take his example builds --- all of them --- and restat away that confusing vit into mag. NOW how does the rank 8 have more survivability than the TT90?

(i'm asking honestly, by the way. some day i might wonder whether to get rank on my own casters, or get rank armor as the AA part of a HA/AA veno, and if it doesn't deliver better survivability then why bother?)

Miugre - Heavens Tear

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

oy vey.

if Miug's argument confuses you, then take his example builds --- all of them --- and restat away that confusing vit into mag. NOW how does the rank 8 have more survivability than the TT90?

(i'm asking honestly, by the way. some day i might wonder whether to get rank on my own casters, or get rank armor as the AA part of a HA/AA veno, and if it doesn't deliver better survivability then why bother?)

I took the liberty for you. :P (and I corrected the lack of lunar ring in the R8 build while I was at it)

R8 still loses. In fact, now it loses to the 90 green in both categories, which is frankly hilarious.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

How does a thread went from a no-name asking for a r8 to who can get away with the ****test gear possible?