New EPIC TW Strategy?
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I'm curious to know what do you guys from all the servers collectively think about this scenario:
One of the top guilds on your server has both its main guild and its alt guild on the map. For the sake of simplicity, we shall call this guild ButtHurt. So there is ButtHurt, and BabyButtHurt on the map. Both guilds get attacked, and the attacks end up in the same time slot. The leader of ButtHurt then.. you guessed it, gets butthurt that he/she/it cannot defend both at the same time. So what they decide to do is mass migrate a bunch of mains from ButtHurt into BabyButtHurt so that they can keep all the lands, while at the same time mass QQing that other guilds have alt guilds on the map too.
Then one week, ButtHurt places a bid on a land. They get outbid. So the ButtHurt leader rallies his/her/its members to send tickets reporting the other guild that outbid them for "fake bidding." Due to mass volume and epic QQ, their requests are met by the GMs, and the flock of dodos flies home cawing "victory."
Then, in between, they decide "hey, that was super effective, why don't we employ this tactic in other venues, such as getting members of that guild that pwns us banned for either offensive names, or multiclienting, or ini editing their characters? Nevermind the fact that half of our members have ini edits, and some with offensive names (including the leader). It's us, we're the chosen people. We can do whatever the hell we want." So they do it, and again, they succeed.
Fast forward to yet another week where ButtHurt had been outbid, most likely because their leader is too stupid or too stingy to place a sufficient bid (you'd think someone would learn, wouldn't you?), and what do they do? You guessed it! Spam the GMs with tickets claiming yet another fake bid.
So, in total, there is a guild which has no trouble whatsoever holding its own in TW, on more than one faction, yet its leadership and member base systematically resort to the "Ban Strategy" in order to achieve their wants in TW.
Is this cowardly? Manipulative? A gross injustice? Exploitation and abuse of the TW and ticketing system? I'll let you all decide. Feel free to discuss.
One of the top guilds on your server has both its main guild and its alt guild on the map. For the sake of simplicity, we shall call this guild ButtHurt. So there is ButtHurt, and BabyButtHurt on the map. Both guilds get attacked, and the attacks end up in the same time slot. The leader of ButtHurt then.. you guessed it, gets butthurt that he/she/it cannot defend both at the same time. So what they decide to do is mass migrate a bunch of mains from ButtHurt into BabyButtHurt so that they can keep all the lands, while at the same time mass QQing that other guilds have alt guilds on the map too.
Then one week, ButtHurt places a bid on a land. They get outbid. So the ButtHurt leader rallies his/her/its members to send tickets reporting the other guild that outbid them for "fake bidding." Due to mass volume and epic QQ, their requests are met by the GMs, and the flock of dodos flies home cawing "victory."
Then, in between, they decide "hey, that was super effective, why don't we employ this tactic in other venues, such as getting members of that guild that pwns us banned for either offensive names, or multiclienting, or ini editing their characters? Nevermind the fact that half of our members have ini edits, and some with offensive names (including the leader). It's us, we're the chosen people. We can do whatever the hell we want." So they do it, and again, they succeed.
Fast forward to yet another week where ButtHurt had been outbid, most likely because their leader is too stupid or too stingy to place a sufficient bid (you'd think someone would learn, wouldn't you?), and what do they do? You guessed it! Spam the GMs with tickets claiming yet another fake bid.
So, in total, there is a guild which has no trouble whatsoever holding its own in TW, on more than one faction, yet its leadership and member base systematically resort to the "Ban Strategy" in order to achieve their wants in TW.
Is this cowardly? Manipulative? A gross injustice? Exploitation and abuse of the TW and ticketing system? I'll let you all decide. Feel free to discuss.
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This is Perfect World entertainment. And they just dont give a ****.0
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calculators wrote: »
One of the top guilds on your server has both its main guild and its alt guild on the map. For the sake of simplicity, we shall call this guild ButtHurt. So there is ButtHurt, and BabyButtHurt on the map. Both guilds get attacked, and the attacks end up in the same time slot. The leader of ButtHurt then.. you guessed it, gets butthurt that he/she/it cannot defend both at the same time. So what they decide to do is mass migrate a bunch of mains from ButtHurt into BabyButtHurt so that they can keep all the lands, while at the same time mass QQing that other guilds have alt guilds on the map too.
I didn't read the rest but, when ButtHurt and BabyButtHurt got attacked, wouldn't it be too late to move mains into BabyButtHurt since they won't have the required hour by TW time?0 -
GMs basically have the ability and often use to, to ban anyone they want. Normally the people that CS a lot rarely get banned, while the hard working individuals take the bans. But yes, if what your saying is true, something should be done. However, the ToS that everyone basically signed to once they started playing the game, allows GMs to have full power.0
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »I didn't read the rest but, when ButtHurt and BabyButtHurt got attacked, wouldn't it be too late to move mains into BabyButtHurt since they won't have the required hour by TW time?
Apologies for the ambiguous terminology. The migrations have not been during the TW times, rather within the margin to make the 100 hour limit, in preparation for future attacks in future weeks. Indeed, once the bids had been announced, it was too late.0 -
The only ones "Butthurt" are the Vindi crybabies that keep getting caught doing shady TW tricks and getting justifiably banned for them. OP, why hide behind an faceless alt? Oh wait, gutless underhanded tactics, right up Vindi's ally.0
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Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »The only ones "Butthurt" are the Vindi crybabies that keep getting caught doing shady TW tricks and getting justifiably banned for them. OP, why hide behind an faceless alt? Oh wait, gutless underhanded tactics, right up Vindi's ally.
Look who has a guilty conscience. Why so serious? This is just discussion.0 -
Uh oh, here comes the **** storm...
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What's a Vindi?0
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »What's a Vindi?
Vindicate. Tier 1 faction on Sanctuary. They immediately accused Legendary (tier 1 faction on Sanctuary) of foul play when one of their members got banned for ini editing a while back or something, and it turns out, it was someone random/random GM, and Legendary wasn't involved at all. Caused a huge **** storm on the forums.
Vindi leader and director recently got banned for Bidding and winning on their own alt faction's territory, and immediately thereafter, a huge **** storm came up on these forums blaming Legendary again, and again, turns out nobody from legendary gave a **** in the first place.
Basically, it's a bunch of Cash Shopping people who like to complain and point fingers... And while I knew a few people who are in Vindi, I still feel that it is a rather poor guild to be in. >_>
Their drama spilled out into WC/the forums a little toooooooo much for my tastes. >_>101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Vindi leader and director recently got banned for Bidding and winning on their own alt faction's territory,
Word is she got banned again, hence the renewed butthurt finger pointing.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »Word is she got banned again, hence the renewed butthurt finger pointing.
Wow.
Seriously...
Wow.
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vindi actually hasnt gone on a banning rampage. we dont even know if its our server or not (maybe someone can look the other servers up)
but i think its best to keep names out for the sake of discussion. The OP wanted opinions and im kinda curious as well.
maybe if the mods could erase the names named >.> this could be a decent discussion[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »but i think its best to keep names out for the sake of discussion. The OP wanted opinions and im kinda curious as well.
The OP posted an extremely thinly veiled and biased take on what is going on between Leg and Vindi. Not sure what kind of productive "discussion" can be had from that.0 -
I wanted the opinions of people not biased. Thank you anyway for your willingness to provide an opinion Valirah.0
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calculators wrote: »I wanted the opinions of people not biased. Thank you anyway for your willingness to provide an opinion Valirah.
The forum mods here, are biased one way or another, either by PWE's rules, or by their own beliefs.
The users here, are biased as well, one way or another, either by PWE's STUPIDITY, or again, by their own beliefs.
The GM's don't have a ****ing clue, and won't give a damn. They're more biased than the community or the mods.
>_> I'm sorry to say, but... There's not much chance that anyone will give you a truly unbiased opinion on this. Everyone will be biased one way or the other.
Players are either gonna find it really horrible, or a great way to make the map their own.
Forum mods will say it doesn't happen. (Or, that the GM's do the best they can, and that they monitor blah blah blah...)
And the GM's are gonna say that Halo 2 is a great game, and that they're sick of everyone for interrupting their play time. >_>101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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bleh it doesnt even matter tbh, not like PWE will care right or wrong.
Vindi director was never banned for fake bidding b:victory, possibly for selling jones blessing ... lol mayb xD.
I happen to be close w/ the director b:chuckle
Edit: I do think that the most recent development in this...mmm.... trainwreck? is ridiculous. Though I am intelligent enough to know what it looks like from other faction perspectives (I didn't graduate elementary school for nothing!). Also we don't even know which bid(s) are in question, so it is too early to be forming specific arguments. I do not appreciate the way PWE is treating us, though I dont think there are many players who do, at the very least the treatment should be applied equally. It honestly FEELS like PWE staff was just too damn lazy to deal w/ the deluge of tickets that (I am assuming) they received, and resolved the issue in the way they thought would be easiest, Ban. If they had actually properly conducted their supposed "investigation" (as they claim) it would be a simple matter for PWE staff to shove the evidence in our face and give us the middle finger, instead it's just the finger QQ.0 -
Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »bleh it doesnt even matter tbh, not like PWE will care right or wrong.
Vindi director was never banned for fake bidding b:victory, possibly for selling jones blessing ... lol mayb xD.
I happen to be close w/ the director b:chuckle
Ahhh... I just know they were both banned at the same time, and the bans were lifted on both pretty fast.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Ahhh... I just know they were both banned at the same time, and the bans were lifted on both pretty fast.
was one week, standard time for both types of offenses for first time offenders. (both means leader and director is my guess)0 -
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »GMs basically have the ability and often use to, to ban anyone they want. Normally the people that CS a lot rarely get banned, while the hard working individuals take the bans. But yes, if what your saying is true, something should be done. However, the ToS that everyone basically signed to once they started playing the game, allows GMs to have full power.
Just to add on about banning, CSers, if banned, never ever get a perma-ban, from what I've seen at least.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just to add on about banning, CSers, if banned, never ever get a perma-ban, from what I've seen at least.....
Wrong, I know three cash shoppers that were permabanned.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wrong, I know three cash shoppers that were permabanned.
This probably won't determine anything, but were they heavy CSers?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »This probably won't determine anything, but were they heavy CSers?
Two of them were, the other was just casual. Can't say anymore because I don't want to discuss it too much. It was admittedly a long while ago, but still. It happens.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wrong, I know three cash shoppers that were permabanned.
I know CS'ers who have also received perm bans .. Weird when you can get perma banned 4 or 5 times and still be playing as we speak though ... * Plays Twilight Zone Theme *[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »I know CS'ers who have also received perm bans .. Weird when you can get perma banned 4 or 5 times and still be playing as we speak though ... * Plays Twilight Zone Theme *
Yeah...its just cause they have bunch of different accounts. Only one of those guys was dumb enough to get banned on his main. So it didn't really affect much, since they have more than one ip address. being as they have more than one computer/laptop to get on the internet.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sure heavy cash shoppers get permabanned. One of the heaviest cash shoppers on Sanc has been permabanned 3 times already (all on the same character).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yeah...its just cause they have bunch of different accounts. Only one of those guys was dumb enough to get banned on his main. So it didn't really affect much, since they have more than one ip address. being as they have more than one computer/laptop to get on the internet.
These ban's have been on their mains though b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OOOOO Ok I got one too. So Buttburt faction #1 power on the map attacks newly formed Underdog faction. They fail in their attemp!! So the next week they get their alt faction to attack their allies faction. Said allied faction no shows the TW and gives the land to the alt faction of Butthurt. Then this week all 3 factions attack Newly formed faction. Newly formed faction successfully defend 2 out of 3 attacks.
Butthurt and rest get tickets submitted? yes or no?0 -
^Technically ... No.
Allied forces were existing even before PWI. The french did it, the dutch, america and and even the Australians
Allied forces are what they are, allies in order to help a powerhouse remain situated where they are for the sake of "balance" between said allies and agreements.
It's a type of warfare that has an up and downn side for the powerhouse faction as wel as the allied ones.
Where as the alt faction, I'm a bit ambigious about that. deputee forces were a constant back then too
and if TW is supposed to resemble the closest thing to warfare. it could be considered a tactful play yet at the same time it doesn't leave much room for anything(one(which technically is the point)) else.
Then again should PW enforce the age old saying: anythings fair in love and war?All you need is something to believe in. -Solar_one. <-- mah snoockums, mah hubby, mah eberyfing. 
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AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »^Technically ... No.
Allied forces were existing even before PWI. The french did it, the dutch, america and and even the Australians
Allied forces are what they are, allies in order to help a powerhouse remain situated where they are for the sake of "balance" between said allies and agreements.
It's a type of warfare that has an up and downn side for the powerhouse faction as wel as the allied ones.
Where as the alt faction, I'm a bit ambigious about that. deputee forces were a constant back then too
and if TW is supposed to resemble the closest thing to warfare. it could be considered a tactful play yet at the same time it doesn't leave much room for anything(one(which technically is the point)) else.
Then again should PW enforce the age old saying: anythings fair in love and war?
Technically that falls under allied forces bidding on each others land. Not playing by the rules for their 3 way gank.0
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