Opinion on Sword BM's

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  • Minimus_ - Sanctuary
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Using a sword alone doesn't make much sense but in combination with the other weapon paths it may be useful.
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  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »
    Question: How well do you do against every other class, especially against -int Fist/Axe BM's and Sins in Duels or PvP? b:puzzled

    I'm a care bear. I lost very little duels in my time, though, including against sins. Don't recall dueling against a fist BM yet.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ChaoticShelly wrote: »
    Points to signature - Swords work darn well for me, and I've never heard complaints about being a sword bm from a squad before. I have axes for Heaven's Flame and only for that, 99% of the time you will see me with my swords, slashing anything in my way.

    Honestly, I play the game to have fun. If I played the game to please other people I would not be here.

    Counterpoint - There was a level 90 BM tanking FB51 (I went along because it was my BH). My Sin, who was 66 at the time, ended up taking aggro off the BM on: 1) Mobs 2) Bosses 3) The cleric (Who was 98 at the time)

    When I say I took aggro off the BM on mobs, I'm not talking about just one mob at a time. I'd wait for the BM to AOE, and then I would use the first AOE sins get (not subsea), and all of the mobs would be on me. If I subseaed, then used the other AOE, the BM coudln't even get aggro back on one mob, much less all of them.

    And second point is, if there were two mobs, I'd let the BM attack one, and go for the second, and I would kill it first (BM had a head start), then help finish the BM's mob. No sparking required by me in any of these situations. >_>

    When a level 66 Sin is out DDing a 90+ demon BM with swords (they were refined and sharded too, I looked), then something is pretty darn wrong. =\
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  • Reyoleya - Dreamweaver
    Reyoleya - Dreamweaver Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    sjslover wrote: »
    Hmmm... main is wizzy and doesn't like sword BM's, trying to get people to stop using mage bane maybe, or trying to get sword prices to go down for seeker alt?b:chuckle Some sword/pole BM's were very good and some of them even fought the same as Seeker's do now, 'cept i think they had knockbacks and used more stuns. It's probably where they got the seekers design from, then just make some stuff magic so it's not an exact copy and tweak the def buff.

    My first char was a bm, then I made a cleric and started destroying bms, thus my argument. This is my 3rd 100 char btw, and working on a sin. (I have a seeker too, lol) But no, usually my biggest problem in the game are axe/pole bms in TW. Sword bms aren't useful in situations that need aoes since the sword/blade skills are centered towards 1v1. I destroy sword bms with my wizzie, and I love it. Sword bms are useless in todays game. Pole/axe/fist (claw) are the way to go if you actually want to do something in the game.

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  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Not everything is about PVP, thus Bms in PvE can be what ever the freak they want to be. It's a freaking choice, and play-style, and don't give me the bull that it sucks. Obviously it's good enough for how they play, which is totally their opinion, so just leave the people alone...
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  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    lizrau wrote: »
    Not everything is about PVP, thus Bms in PvE can be what ever the freak they want to be. It's a freaking choice, and play-style, and don't give me the bull that it sucks. Obviously it's good enough for how they play, which is totally their opinion, so just leave the people alone...

    Your right, its not all about PVP but once your at level 100 PVP is definately at the top of the list for the majority of people.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ChaoticShelly wrote: »
    Points to signature - Swords work darn well for me, and I've never heard complaints about being a sword bm from a squad before. I have axes for Heaven's Flame and only for that, 99% of the time you will see me with my swords, slashing anything in my way.

    Honestly, I play the game to have fun. If I played the game to please other people I would not be here.
    Have you gotten to endgame? Because pre-endgame you can use a magic wand for all people care as long as you AOE stun and HF.
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  • Steopie - Heavens Tear
    Steopie - Heavens Tear Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    A lot of BMs use swords. A lot of BMs also suck.

    I dont know a single 'good' BM who's been mentioned in any of the forum discussion as a 'most skilled BM' who would even consider using sword other than very sparingly in some crazy and rare circumstances.

    Sure, you can enjoy using swords if you're a low level PVE nonfactor happily bashing mobs in the swamp. If you enjoy playing with swords, good luck to you. However they are, under 99% of circumstances, an inferior option.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    steo best bm
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Steopie - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A lot of BMs use swords. A lot of BMs also suck.

    I dont know a single 'good' BM who's been mentioned in any of the forum discussion as a 'most skilled BM' who would even consider using sword other than very sparingly in some crazy and rare circumstances.

    Sure, you can enjoy using swords if you're a low level PVE nonfactor happily bashing mobs in the swamp. If you enjoy playing with swords, good luck to you. However they are, under 99% of circumstances, an inferior option.
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    people said this about fists too b:chuckle
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    people said this about fists too b:chuckle

    yeah, and then people figured out the utility of fists + interval.
    its not quite the same as "i like it", "i wanna be different", or "it looks cool"

    you can be the first to figure out swords niche.
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I've never understood why anyone would restrict their bm to one... or even just two weapon paths. My bm build has always been fist/axe long before the -int phase. I have a at-level (more or less) weapon for every path for him.

    Now I do focus on my fist/axe skills, sense they are the most useful. But the other paths' skills are useful on occasion. Like my ranged pole-->sword-->axe combo for killing those annoying low flying harpies in FC. Also, Myriad Sword Stance is extremely useful on TT bosses when the tank is kind of iffy at surviving (I've gotten a herc to tank wurlod when she couldn't otherwise due to using Myriad and Shadow Kick).

    I just think some people think too narrowly, I feel bms were always made to use every path at least some of the time.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i have no problem with sword bms. that is assuming they have AT LEAST lower lvl axes and have with a decent lvl HF.

    today i got in an Fc witha sword bm who didn't have axes and didn't stun and liked to go afk.

    needless to say he got kicked.

    you wanna go sword BM? Sure go ahead, but if u dont have any axe skills ur not joining my sqaud.

    and on the topic i have seen alot more sword bms after genisis than i ever did b4 the expansion. this seems counter intuitive to me. as a seeker is way better than a (pure) sword bm. and just as effective at aoeing as an Axe Bm, other than of course HF.

    EVERY BM needs to know AXE path for squads. aura of golden belll
    just as every veno needs amp, purge, bramble, and lending hand
    every barb needs Flesh ream. roar, devour, alacrity, Titans, BKI
    every cleric needs IH and Res, purify, buffs

    no matter what build you choose there are certain skill that just are not negotiable. you either have them, or your not useful.
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Cadeal - Dreamweaver
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yeah, and then people figured out the utility of fists + interval.
    its not quite the same as "i like it", "i wanna be different", or "it looks cool"

    you can be the first to figure out swords niche.

    Sword Niche:

    Run around with 1hp and use flash.
  • Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary
    Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I started out, and forever will be, an all-weapon bm. I enjoy being able to use whatever catches my fancy at the moment, and try to use all the skills available to me. If, in your opinion, that makes me fail, oh well. I play for fun, not your opinion. b:victory
    Steopie - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sure, you can enjoy using swords if you're a low level PVE nonfactor happily bashing mobs in the swamp. If you enjoy playing with swords, good luck to you.

    Quite happily a pve/non-factor/carebear thanks :D
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  • Steopie - Heavens Tear
    Steopie - Heavens Tear Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    people said this about fists too b:chuckle

    .... and at that time no good BM used fists. At that time, there was no nirvana, no scroll of tome, no lunar cape. TT99 and TT100 / Decides were much harder to obtain. Part of being a good player is moving on and evolving with the game. Many BMs picked that up with the interval gear and fists. Maybe sometime in the future swords will be a viable option due to some changes in the game arising.
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sword Niche:

    Run around with 1hp and use flash.

    Flash is broken and hits like a girl. Dosent work as described at all. The MY-EN description seems more accurate from what I have observed from it:

    "Causing target to suffer 150% basic physical damage.
    When own HP is lower than selected target, in 3 seconds add 200% physical damage of the upper limit of own HP.
    Definitely hit target when attack."
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Really, the only useful thing you can do with swords is Myriad Sword Stance. It's terrible DD, terrible dph, terrible in every dungeon possible. Gosh, this reminds me of the time I was in an FCC with a pure sword Blademaster. He barely spoke English and only thing he said in English is that Myriad Sword Stance is better then Heaven's Flame. I'm like *Leave Squad* right before exp room lol.

    Otherwise, Myriad Sword Stance is useful against peeps like Harpy Wraith and what not.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Swords.

    Attacks quickly, but not as quick as H2H combat.
    Has range, but not as far as a pole.
    Can do a little AOE, but pales compared to axes.

    Sword BM: poor excuse for a seeker now, poor excuse for a DD then.
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  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Have you gotten to endgame? Because pre-endgame you can use a magic wand for all people care as long as you AOE stun and HF.

    I'm very close to end-game. I ensured my build and eng game gear will make my dual swords BM a worthy one. And again, I play the game to be the best I want to be, and play it in an enjoyable manner for myself - that said, without taking down squads with me and ruining the game for other people. I tank, DD and solo a lot.
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  • DudeLupus - Raging Tide
    DudeLupus - Raging Tide Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    My BM is only about 3 days old (lvl 30) and since they are naturally good at pve, i've been experimenting with different weapons just to see what I like. Let me first say that I'm maxing the axe path first, for squad use, but man these fists and claws are too much fun to put down.

    I'm not at the point yet where I can learn axe aoe's, so i'm using manufactured claws to grind, which are a good 20-30 pts higher in damage and most of the time have a +vit stat. I'm able to kill all mobs within 3-4 levels with relative ease, and since i'm using claws I never run out of chi and can spark and use diamond sutra whenever i need it.

    Even at this level, axe/fist makes more sense (and to me is more fun) than the other weapons.

    Also, with life powder, second wind, and diamond sutra I've been able to solo all the little easy bosses up through farng really fast compared to the other chars i've played (barb, cleric, and wiz).

    More chi = more sparks and more healing, which is why i prefer fists/claws.
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  • Chrysanthina - Sanctuary
    Chrysanthina - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Its in the eye of the beholder to who/what is worthless or not. Myriad Sword Stance and Glacial Spike are nice attacks when you are asked not to HF not to mention seeing something else flashy is cool every once in a while. And not to mention the fun of or interval swords/pole arms just for showing off... If only there were interval tops for BM's and and standard int on end game swords >_>
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ChaoticShelly wrote: »
    I'm very close to end-game. I ensured my build and eng game gear will make my dual swords BM a worthy one. And again, I play the game to be the best I want to be, and play it in an enjoyable manner for myself - that said, without taking down squads with me and ruining the game for other people. I tank, DD and solo a lot.
    Good luck with that.


    Although I have to say if I'm doing a TT3-3/Nirvana and a BM shows up and uses swords the entire time, I'm going to kick them.
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