R9's vs The not so well geared

HardToThink - Lost City

Am i terrible or are r9's unkillable for the modest geared players now?
http://pwcalc.com/74dbd88ad04f8f14
Thats my gear and before people start on the +9 hh90 no i didnt refine it to +9, it was 20m for the +9 top and +6 pants together =] ( I thought 20m for 500 extra hp was nice)
I know my gear isn't good, acutally its kind of terrible. But i've been 1 shot by r9 wizzys through ele shell, i've had r9 clerics just chase me trying to melee and not even a spark undine poison bt at half health can kill them.

On my cleric who uses the same gear through account stash i can sometimes kill r9 sins and r9 clerics but only if i spark. But when ever i'm pvping a single r9 person sends everyone to sz and the funs over sigh x.x and lets not even talk about r9 psys, they could kill gms b:thanks Are there any other people getting lolowned by r9's or am i just not very good? ><

FrozenPhire - Lost City

you have low hp.

thats why u die so easy

TigerLily - Lost City

Why are you even trying to PvP against players with R9...Why would you not get lolowned. Thats like i dunno if Iceland tried to attack USA and got all confused why their entire island suddenly got blown up.

You have very nice hp and nice gear for a lvl98. But compared to a 101+ in R9 however you're a little bug that tickles. Maybe you can triple spark/frenzy and kill a R9 archer or sin thats already fighting someone, but yeah ganking is what it is.

Get hp buffs before you leave SZ and fight people with similar gear instead.

HardToThink - Lost City

FrozenPhire - Lost City wrote: »

you have low hp.

thats why u die so easy

Omg i know =(

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Why are you even trying to PvP against players with R9...Why would you not get lolowned. Thats like i dunno if Iceland tried to attack USA and got all confused why their entire island suddenly got blown up.

You have very nice hp and nice gear for a lvl98. But compared to a 101+ in R9 however you're a little bug that tickles. Maybe you can triple spark/frenzy and kill a R9 archer or sin thats already fighting someone, but yeah ganking is what it is.

Get hp buffs before you leave SZ and fight people with similar gear instead.

On my cleric i've killed r9's 1vs1 =/ So if you live in the usa watch out for iceland b:thanks it uses the same gear with account stash. But its hard to find pvp with people with similar gear now because the r9's send us back to safe zone with the touch of a button x.x

Edit: So i was the only hh90 dumb enough to try and pvp r9's huh? xP

Galox - Heavens Tear

Because +11 Lunar Wep is the worst gear people have nowadays, right?

Of course you should die to R9 Classes; If I'd of spent That much Money on a game, I'd actually cry if I could not oneshot a level 98 *Totally Horribly* geared Wiz. (Wuz that Sarcasm in OP? >_<)

HardToThink - Lost City

Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Because +11 Lunar Wep is the worst gear people have nowadays, right?

Of course you should die to R9 Classes; If I'd of spent That much Money on a game, I'd actually cry if I could not oneshot a level 98 *Totally Horribly* geared Wiz. (Wuz that Sarcasm in OP? >_<)

No it wasn't that wand is a +7 rank 8. Rank 8 is so cheap none of my gear is viable

Dezto - Harshlands

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Why are you even trying to PvP against players with R9...Why would you not get lolowned. Thats like i dunno if Iceland tried to attack USA and got all confused why their entire island suddenly got blown up.

You have very nice hp and nice gear for a lvl98. But compared to a 101+ in R9 however you're a little bug that tickles. Maybe you can triple spark/frenzy and kill a R9 archer or sin thats already fighting someone, but yeah ganking is what it is.

Get hp buffs before you leave SZ and fight people with similar gear instead.

Now now.. be nice to my little island or I'll make it go volcano on your *** b:angry

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

On my cleric who uses the same gear through account stash i can sometimes kill r9 sins and r9 clerics but only if i spark.

I call bullcrap. I can kill r8 clerics pretty easily on my 8x sin, I doubt your cleric has a shot in hell against a r8 sin, let alone r9.

And there's no way a r9 cleric would lose to a hh90 one. Simply no way. It's not a matter of them being unskilled and you being skilled at that point. At that degree of gear difference, you couldn't hit them fast enough to kill them before their charm cooldowned, and a r9 wep could 1 shot you with level 1 razor feather.

HardToThink - Lost City

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I call bullcrap. I can kill r8 clerics pretty easily on my 8x sin, I doubt your cleric has a shot in hell against a r8 sin, let alone r9.

And there's no way a r9 cleric would lose to a hh90 one. Simply no way. It's not a matter of them being unskilled and you being skilled at that point. At that degree of gear difference, you couldn't hit them fast enough to kill them before their charm cooldowned, and a r9 wep could 1 shot you with level 1 razor feather.

I don't care what you call. Do you have a character on lost city? pm bryanshrimp (thats the full r9 cleric i beat in a 1vs1 3-2) They refused to sleep me i dont know why. Even after i sparked they didnt sleep me. A R9 cleric can almost 1 shot me 5.5k non crit wield thunder is what she was hitting me. But have you heard of this wondrous skill called guardians light? I have, it saves my life. I can kill any r8 sin +1-+6 so um, yeah =/ IH spam and a charm keeps me alive long enough to badge out and sleep them. The r9 sin i beat was unstealthed but it was adeptrougue or something like that idk =/ a dogma sin. Don't lump me in with you because you don't know how to bypass a charm on a cleric of all classes

EDIT: bryanshrimps r9 weapon was +10 then and her r9 gear was +5-6 flawless sharded. Its probably alot better now xP

kamote007

Sorry for askin' noob question and this will be my first post. What is R9 btw? b:surrender

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

kamote007 wrote: »

Sorry for askin' noob question and this will be my first post. What is R9 btw? b:surrender

Rank 9 gear. Insanely expensive, and even more powerful. Pretty much anyone that has it instantly becomes a factor, unless they're especially fail.

Waterscyth - Harshlands

totally possible, depending on what class, im an 84 sin i have beaten a r9 sin with +10 daggs many times, you just have to be able to control that play better the they control you

Okeano - Harshlands

Waterscyth - Harshlands wrote: »

totally possible, depending on what class, im an 84 sin i have beaten a r9 sin with +10 daggs many times, you just have to be able to control that play better the they control you

Was that R9 Sin afk?

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Was that R9 Sin afk?

I doubt that would make a diff. Unless this kid's tt80 dags are +12, I doubt he could kill an afk r9 sin too fast for his charm to tick.

At this point I'm done trying to use reason in this thread. OP and some 8x sin both seem to think that r9 sins aren't that big a deal.

It honestly has nothing to do with skill at that degree of gear difference. Saying that you can beat an r9 sin with a 9x cleric or a 8x sin isn't only blatant lying, but dead obvious proof that neither of them knows what they're talking about.
If they had at least a slight understanding of how powerful r9 sins are they wouldn't even try to lie about it like this. I wouldn't of believed them even if they said it was an r8 sin ffs.

Desiree - Harshlands

Here's a typical lvl 101 pure mag cleric with full 9jun, sharded and +10'd.
http://pwcalc.com/bc498074546e9aa4
11.6k HP, 6.8k pdef, 16.9k mdef.

Here's a typical lvl 101 pure dex sin with interval gear, 9jun weapon, sharded and +10'd
http://pwcalc.com/6987049622de8ab4
12.3k HP, 6.0k pdef, 4.6k mdef

As a lvl 90 char, your chances of being able to easily kill someone with 11k+ HP and decent defences unbuffed is very, very low. If you were an interval sin, sure, you can easily, but definitely not without them noticing and definitely not without bypassing their charm. Against a sin, it'll even be harder due to evasion.

Do not confuse 9jun GEAR for 9jun WEAPON. A person can have a 9jun weapon and that just tells you how much damage s/he can do. Which has nothing to do with their survivability. Survivability depends on gear (and some slight minimal skill/knowledge of your class and PvP).

Just because they are running around with a 9jun weapon does NOT mean that they will be harder to kill than a lvl 90. Cause for all you know, they both may be wearing HH80 gear. Heck, a +10 HH90 set probably comes close to a +0 9jun set, so refines are important too.

~Desiree

Eoria - Harshlands

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

r9 wep =/= r9 full stuff

Yeah. This, pretty much. None of the r9 sins on HL have the armor. Only the ring, wep, and in some cases, the belt. And I know one of those r9 sins only has about 4.7k HP unbuffed...which is like 600 less HP than I have unbuffed atm. wtf.

So yeah...it's very possible for one of them to die to a level 8x if they happened to be afk or some ****. >.>

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

So yeah...it's very possible for one of them to die to a level 8x if they happened to be afk or some ****. >.>

Those are some epicly fail sins.

Usually if someone only gets the r9 wep it's because they already have highly refined nirvana gear and they don't feel like restarting.

Even if the r9 sin was wearing tt80 for some extremely odd reason, he would murder both the OP and some 8x sin out of stealth.

I just don't see the OP's 9x cleric or some 8x sin killing a r9 sin, unless he only has the wep, is uncharmed, and afk.


Now if either of them can show me proof, like maybe a video of these fights, then I will roll on their servers and hand whoever can prove themselves 1m...

KedgeSniper - Lost City

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

I don't care what you call. Do you have a character on lost city? pm bryanshrimp (thats the full r9 cleric i beat in a 1vs1 3-2)

lol

Might want to 1v1 people that is actually good, Should go try 1v1 Pharaoh or Kelbin.

Azura - Lost City

There a lot of sins with rank9 weapons but they are incredible squishy because their armor is terrible. I don't find it hard to believe the op about killing a sin with a cleric. If you somehow get a sin out of stealth and you keep them from moving to you can beat any squishy sin.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

There a lot of sins with rank9 weapons but they are incredible squishy because their armor is terrible. I don't find it hard to believe the op about killing a sin with a cleric. If you somehow get a sin out of stealth and you keep them from moving to you can beat any squishy sin.

We're talking about a cleric wearing hh90 vs a sin with who knows kind of armor, and a r9 wep.

I eat r8 clerics for breakfast on my 8x sin, I find it incredibley hard to believe that someone is so fail that a r9 wep sin can actually lose in a 1v1 against a cleric.

I really don't see how the cleric can win. The sin can tele stun from a farther range than the cleric can sleep him, so that right there could be the end. Let's not forget that sins aren't 1 hittable, so a sleep/tempest combo isn't going to cut it.

I'm just saying, I don't see any way possible at all for a sin to be so horribad to lose to a hh90 cleric.

Swannx - Archosaur

Maybe you're just underestimating clerics. I don't know why you seem to have such a blatant dislike for them in PvP, which you may or may not deny, but blatant is blatant.

Also, sometimes what's inside the head is enough to beat the better geared.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Swannx - Archosaur wrote: »

Maybe you're just underestimating clerics. I don't know why you seem to have such a blatant dislike for them in PvP, which you may or may not deny, but blatant is blatant.

Also, sometimes what's inside the head is enough to beat the better geared.

Did you see my last post? Clerics are sin food. As a wiz I know they can be deadly in pk, but against sins a cleric is a complete joke.

A. Complete. Joke.

I've played a sin. I've beat r8 clerics. I'm telling you, unless a sin is horribad they won't lose to a cleric anywhere near they're level. And no, I don't consider myself a good sin. I'm just some guy that knows to keep my opponent stunned/sealed as long as possible.


And yes what's in the head is sometimes enough to beat a better geared opponent.
But we're talking about hh90 vs r9.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Uh...the only difference between R8 and other gear is really the weapon...that's basically it. If you can keep them locked in stun and seals, they are the same as any other robe, so I don't know what you're bragging about. They just have a higher base damage and slightly better channel, but R8 doesn't say anything about the character nowadays - could be a bunch of one shots with 2k pdef and 4k hp or some ****.

I can probably kill a bunch of "R8" with a lvl 40 slingshot.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uh...the only difference between R8 and other gear is really the weapon...that's basically it. If you can keep them locked in stun and seals, they are the same as any other robe, so I don't know what you're bragging about. They just have a higher base damage and slightly better channel, but R8 doesn't say anything about the character nowadays - could be a bunch of one shots with 2k pdef and 4k hp or some ****.

I can probably kill a bunch of "R8" with a lvl 40 slingshot.

so...you're agreeing with me that her hh90 cleric couldn't beat a r9 sin or what? Because I really have no idea what you were trying to say b:surrender

Desiree - Harshlands

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uh...the only difference between R8 and other gear is really the weapon...that's basically it. If you can keep them locked in stun and seals, they are the same as any other robe, so I don't know what you're bragging about. They just have a higher base damage and slightly better channel, but R8 doesn't say anything about the character nowadays - could be a bunch of one shots with 2k pdef and 4k hp or some ****.

I can probably kill a bunch of "R8" with a lvl 40 slingshot.

I've killed 8juns with a lvl 70 NPC weapon, so it really has nothing to do with your gear at all (nor your build even, as I was pure vit). It has everything to do with their gear and your ability to stunlock. Sins are a classe built specifically for stunlocking - a sin must be really bad to not be able to stunlock an unprepared target for more than 5 seconds.

TigerLily - Lost City

Original poster claims he killed a R9 sin once on his cleric and im sure its true, but something that happened once doesn't really mean anything. You can get Scroll of Tome from packs to if lucky...

This game has 20 seconds lagspikes, 3000 ping or you can keep rubberbanding for years so anything is possible, anyone can die. Or maybe the sins dumbass 10 year old sibling just logged the account and run out of SZ. Everything can be done under the right circumstances if you're lucky.

Being realistic, you cant really say that a cleric in HH90 has a very high to come out alive going 1v1 against a R9 sin (even if he only has the weapon). Unless the cleric has like +10 cube neck and belt, CC cape with vit gems etc he is a 100% 1 shot from stealth and the fight will never even start.

You cant even say a R9 cleric has a fair chance to come out alive against a R9 sin - assuming both of them knows how to pvp well.

Also thinking killing R8 is an achievement is kinda meh. Every 100+ player has R8 now, but they dont have any refines at all. Go player info a few random AA users with R8 and they have +2 gear and less hp than a lvl 30 mob. They aren't prepared for PvP either in terms of charm/pots/right genie skills so of course they drop to 8X assassins and NPC weapons.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uh...the only difference between R8 and other gear is really the weapon...that's basically it. If you can keep them locked in stun and seals, they are the same as any other robe, so I don't know what you're bragging about. They just have a higher base damage and slightly better channel, but R8 doesn't say anything about the character nowadays - could be a bunch of one shots with 2k pdef and 4k hp or some ****.

I can probably kill a bunch of "R8" with a lvl 40 slingshot.

so...you're agreeing with me that her hh90 cleric couldn't beat a r9 sin or what? Because I really have no idea what you were trying to say b:surrender

HardToThink - Lost City

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

lol

Might want to 1v1 people that is actually good, Should go try 1v1 Pharaoh or Kelbin.

Oh i've 1vs1'd pharaoh before when i was a lower level on my cleric and kelbin, I lost of course. I'm a terrible cleric but its okay i like my wizzy more =] (But i'm even worse on my wizzy x.x) This was never bragging it was that a sutra genie spark divine pyro, wof,bt can't kill DoD sharded rank 9's even if they just stand there xP I quit my wizzy and cleric for now i might come back when i can afford rank 8 and some decent refines =]

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Original poster claims he killed a R9 sin once on his cleric and im sure its true, but something that happened once doesn't really mean anything. You can get Scroll of Tome from packs to if lucky....

I'm not saying i'm a rank 9 slayer because thats stupid, and the opposite point of this thread! x.x Like lily said. I said that i did kill a r9 sin, not that i could again b:thanks

TabooForYou - Lost City

all you people saying that there is no way have
1: never pvped
2: have never seen a fail with good gear against someone that knows what they are doing with worse gear.

RioNHale - Archosaur

This R9 Sin

http://pwcalc.com/c8afecba07022f5d


vs this wiz

http://pwcalc.com/74dbd88ad04f8f14


Does the wiz never stand a chance?

/Discuss.



P.s
If the sin isnt allowed to stealth in this 1v1, lets face it, stealth is a portable safety zone, what would the wiz's chances be?

Proski - Archosaur

first order of business: assuming that sin isn't complete trash, for a wizard with those defenses you can't beat zerk daggers by using your genie to anti immune stuns or by breaking out of them, you need the immunity to physical with a high regen rate to stand any chance. no expel = no chance. inb4 androit comes into this thread and says he beats rank9 daggers with just fortify in tt90 gear

if that wizard is fully buffed he'll have close to 10k pdef and enough hp to not get shiit on by anything short of zerk and the wrong chain of crits. if he's not, well, his chances obviously go down... a lot.

also, for those 2 particularly geared players/classes the scenario dictates the outcome a lot as well. in a 1v1, with the sin paying attention, the wizards chances also go down an incredible amount. if the sin isn't paying attention, though, you could even give him a full set of rank9 armor. with good timing, and say maybe that wizard keeping his defenses the same but getting a +10 rank8 wep, he can easily kill the sin with the right chi usage. as it stands now, he would be fine with the lunar wep so long as the sin keeps the same armor as well.

now...as far as just 1v1's go and no gank / ninja type situations, it depends on the sin more than the wizard.

with or without invis, and the sin simply just

1) doesn't suck
2) uses apoth
and
3) doesn't get their genie baited and can absolute domain whenever they want while still keeping the wizard on negative status (stun/sleep/paralyze/sealed etc.) without occult (obviously possible with their plethora of bs)

the wizard has no chance, doesn't matter who you are. with that gear, no chance.

but if

1) the sin blows their genie and the wizard still gets away with expel + kiting
and
2) the sin doesn't have apoth or the brain to just kite when sealed

that wizard could kill it with fow->sutra -> sage divine pyro -> sage blade tempest np