Rank 9 BladeMaster/Sin Fail

_Petal_ - Harshlands

Oh what's that Assassins/BM's? U mad?
Now maybe the rest of us can get into a Nirvana squad.


In the meantime, the casters feel no pity for you.

Wunderkind - Dreamweaver

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Idk much about the bm r9, so can't say much besides that having just axe option is a bit silly since bm has 4 weaps.

For r9 for sin not having -int (besides on wrists I think), honestly who cares. Thank god those daggers don't have -int. And also good thing that armor doesn't have much. Just think of 5 aps with insane defence, hp and dph. Sins are already OP enough as they are, no need to give them more hp/def then average barb, and more healing ability any cleric can provide.

On a side note :


If anyone can explain this to me, I'd be most gratefull cause it wouldn't make any sence. I got r9 dagger and have 2.86 aps (sage). I heard a lot of 4 or 5 aps sins with g13 and g15 daggers say they'd out damage me, but still need to find one that actually keeps aggro on the boss. Last bh I tested damage with a sin with g15 vanas (equal refine, pretty much comparable gear) in a duel, and I hit double of her. That is how insane damage from r9 is, and it's just daggers, not the crapload of +att lvl from full r9. I can see why someone would go full r9, sage or demon. Aps is just an argument to enter a wc squad, even squads demanding 5 aps for vana invite me with 2.86 aps when I send them a link of my weap.

For simplicity we will say you are 3.0:

1 god of frenzy (double damage) makes you 4.0 (like 2 hits compressed into 1)
1 god of frenzy crit (quadruple damage) makes you 5.0 (the GoF is 1 hit the crit being double is the other 1 hit) makes you 5.0 (3 hits compressed into 1)

For example:

10k/20k/10k 3 hits; 1st hit norm, 2nd hit crit, and 3rd norm = 40k
20k/20k/10k 3 hits; 1st hit crit, 2nd GoF, and 3rd norm = 50k
10k/40k/10k 3 hits; 1st norm, 2nd GoF crit, and 3rd norm = 60k

typical 5.0 sin (about 35% crit)
10k/10k/20k/10k/10k 5 hits; only 1 crit, but now look at this (lets compress them)
10k/10k/20k/20k [10k + 10k] combine the last two 4 hits now
10k/10k/40k [20k+20k] combine the last two again now 3 hits

Does that last one look familiar?

10k/40k/10k 3 hits; 1st norm, 2nd GoF crit, and 3rd norm = 60k
10k/10k/40k [20k+20k] combine the last two again now 3 hits

Same damage line but of course 5.0 has more hits that can crit, they gain more chi, but for all intensive purposes it's the same damage line when you break it down and combine it into 3 hits. Now obviously if you get to 4.0 with those you can have a few GoF or crits that will push your damage up much higher vs the 5.0 is already maxed. You also get 30 atk lvl over the 5.0 sin from the weapon, plus being G16.

Hope this helps see the damage a bit better.

swgs

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Idk much about the bm r9, so can't say much besides that having just axe option is a bit silly since bm has 4 weaps.

For r9 for sin not having -int (besides on wrists I think), honestly who cares. Thank god those daggers don't have -int. And also good thing that armor doesn't have much. Just think of 5 aps with insane defence, hp and dph. Sins are already OP enough as they are, no need to give them more hp/def then average barb, and more healing ability any cleric can provide.

On a side note :


If anyone can explain this to me, I'd be most gratefull cause it wouldn't make any sence. I got r9 dagger and have 2.86 aps (sage). I heard a lot of 4 or 5 aps sins with g13 and g15 daggers say they'd out damage me, but still need to find one that actually keeps aggro on the boss. Last bh I tested damage with a sin with g15 vanas (equal refine, pretty much comparable gear) in a duel, and I hit double of her. That is how insane damage from r9 is, and it's just daggers, not the crapload of +att lvl from full r9. I can see why someone would go full r9, sage or demon. Aps is just an argument to enter a wc squad, even squads demanding 5 aps for vana invite me with 2.86 aps when I send them a link of my weap.

I do not see a reason to go full r9, with just R9 weapon, you can go 4.0 with the high damage and att level from the weapon. full r9 will remove too much interval, the attack levels you get from full set give far less damage then 4.0.
this is what you are going to lose by getting full r9.
top remove -0.1 interval
legging remove -0.05
arm and boots remove -0.15
belt remove -0.05

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

r9 armor is for PVP not PVE. if you get r9 for any class for the purpose of farming, you should spend some time reflecting on your lack of common sense. Its possible that different gear should be used in different situations, like LA ornaments in instances to hit faster, yes, LA ornaments in PVP situations, no. and if you dont want the gear, nobody says you have to buy it.

the availability of rank 9 makes nirvana irrelevant aside from 2pc att +5 bonus, and the speed boost from pants for sins and bms.

Wunderkind - Dreamweaver

swgs wrote: »

I do not see a reason to go full r9, with just R9 weapon, you can go 4.0 with the high damage and att level from the weapon. full r9 will remove too much interval, the attack levels you get from full set give far less damage then 4.0.
this is what you are going to lose by getting full r9.
top remove -0.1 interval
legging remove -0.05
arm and boots remove -0.15
belt remove -0.05

I agree with you for generality reasons (being able to tank with the damage), but poetic on dreamweaver has full rank 9 sage sin and even with NO -int he can (on HF full debuff) do 150k+ a second still. He now has about 180ish atk levels and is just about as much of a nuke as you will find on any server, but in terms of damage r9 can be a substitute for 5.0 type damage.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

QQ MOAR!
If you're so jealous of archer rank gear why don't you just reroll an archer? Anyone can have -int on R9 if they do that.

b:bye
OH that felt so good.. I'm gonna quote it again.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

QQ MOAR!
If you're so jealous of archer rank gear why don't you just reroll an archer? Anyone can have -int on R9 if they do that.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh what's that Assassins/BM's? U mad?
Now maybe the rest of us can get into a Nirvana squad.


In the meantime, the casters feel no pity for you.

If you have R9 I doubt you're looking to farm nirvana

Longknife - Harshlands

Now let's discuss why the balls Psychics have -10% channeling on their weapon.

Just spit in our eyes, why don't you

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

r9 for sins is bad?...lol

http://pwcalc.com/22c323cb41764151
40% base critrate
66 base attack lvls

and whats with the skill that increases crit damage?
crit rate increasing skills
attack lvl increasing skills?


why 5.0 when you kill stuff with 1 hit already b:surrender



every assasin already has a armor like this:
YES YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE SET OF GEAR! OH MY GOD!!
http://pwcalc.com/5d901d7f5930331d
why not keep using it for pve and only change the weapon... bloodpaint will heal more... attack power is just broken







when you wanna be APS build you have to sacrifice defense, isnt that fair o.o?

archers cant get bloodpaint, ...and use light armor anyways...

barbs are pwning themselfes -150ish vitality when they go for aps build
making them easier to kill; its definitely noticeable difference



when r9 will become comon, the game will be more balanced
(i guess next year rank9 costs as much as rank8 cost this year, when they introduce rank10 or whatever :P)




ps: poetic can kill me with a single non crit normal hit

Barunaa - Heavens Tear

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh what's that Assassins/BM's? U mad?
Now maybe the rest of us can get into a Nirvana squad.


In the meantime, the casters feel no pity for you.

ya, and its onlly gonna cost you 2k$ ($2000) (two THOUSAND dollars) to do it.

everytime i see someone in enrage or wherever else walking around in full rank 9 all i can see is the embodiment of mental retardation/idiocy. the amount of **** that $2000 could have gotten you instead....

cant wait till the reduce the cost of full rank 9 to where ppl can get it for 90-100 usd or something so these idiots can get owned in the face for buying a set of pixels for such a highway robbery price.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

*Ker-Ching!*

Quilue - Sanctuary

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh what's that Assassins/BM's? U mad?
Now maybe the rest of us can get into a Nirvana squad.


In the meantime, the casters feel no pity for you.

hahaha someone actually believes this!

THAT'S SO CUUUUTE she is so hopeful!

TheDan - Sanctuary

What the **** does Rank 9 axes have anything to do with getting into nirvana squads? People 5APS with fists, not axes.

Like I said, people who invest in G15 fists with +20 attack and -.05 will be better off than wasting 550M on axes.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Axes are pro **** don't you know that? Go back to vit axe and be a beast!

Then roll an alt sin for farming...

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Axes are pro **** don't you know that? Go back to vit axe and be a beast!

Then roll an alt Veno for farming...

There ya go, the real good old times

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF APS, I want a ZERK BOW

Bloyse - Heavens Tear

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ya, and its onlly gonna cost you 2k$ ($2000) (two THOUSAND dollars) to do it.

everytime i see someone in enrage or wherever else walking around in full rank 9 all i can see is the embodiment of mental retardation/idiocy. the amount of **** that $2000 could have gotten you instead....

cant wait till the reduce the cost of full rank 9 to where ppl can get it for 90-100 usd or something so these idiots can get owned in the face for buying a set of pixels for such a highway robbery price.

Or there are some Enrage people who merchant it. Don't always assume someone has charged for R9

FrostSwallow - Sanctuary

i wonder if BM's would also complain about missing weapons, if there were just R9 fists...
b:question

Olbaze - Sanctuary

FrostSwallow - Sanctuary wrote: »

i wonder if BM's would also complain about missing weapons, if there were just R9 fists...
b:question

Well, if the fists didn't have -0.1 interval sure as hell they would complain.

Kokki - Harshlands

I agree with the go full vit build and be a freaking BM like you should be statement.

but for TW purpose, stay your 5 aps build plox.

Also on a side note, i farmed my full rank 9 ( belt is ALMOST done). if you think about it, a piece of armour rank 9 is about the same price as a first recast nirvana piece, and if you factor in all the r9 pieces your second recast nirvana set is just as expensive as the r9 set. So in effect if you are still farming nirvana, you are wasting money on a non end-game set of gear.

quick price check:

TT99 bracers: 12 mil
TT99 boots: 24 mil
TT99 legs: 40 mil
TT99 chestpiece: 40 mil

4 sets of 250 cannies = 1K cannies = 500 mil ( at 500K canny price )

total set value without making them 4 socket = 616 mil

so that alone is your rank 9 wing + weapon. lets say you are lucky and roll a 3 socket average on all pieces, which is 16K socket stones per item, which is 64K socket stones at 10K each is 64 Mil

see where this is going?

with good prices and good luck on the sockets, it'll cost you roughly 700 mil to second recast your armour set. and for 700 mil you get the r9 ring+ the armour which is gauranteed 4 socket and better stats. and tada! you also have money left over

*PS prices may vary over servers


figured it out yet? no? ktnhxbai

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands

DrowsEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Are you **** or something? They added -.25 interval with only 3 pieces of gear for an archer, PEWPEW! The weapons are much stronger now too, like rank 8 fists, 808-893 dmg base. Deicides 498-673 base dmg. There are no Rank 9 weapons for BM's besides the axe, which is ****ing moronic imo. Ever played a BM? Bought and equipped every demon skill for swords, axes, poles, and fists? Yea that's right, we have to get skills and mastery's for each type of weapon. The only class that does. But we only get an axe at the end game.

Add: There's no Rank Fists with -interval.
Just Lunar claws and FF fists. Of which both you can see Barb's, Archers, and Sins equipping. Because they're just that damn good.

so ur saying u need more interval to just aps people to death and use absolutely no skill what so ever?

Hhlolz - Harshlands

@OP

CS moarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

KikouArashi - Heavens Tear

well if they want to balance the aps ingame then take the claws and fist from every class but the BM who has the skills to use it.
Since the R8 and R9 gear of the BM's does not have interval to it and we have to just relay on the interval we have.
Thats just 1 persons opinion balance = sacrifices so limit the BM wpns to just bms like what was done to the seekers and sins. Hench the balance.
If Bms want end of game gear they decide to loose interval and quit bytching.
I have a BM and if i decide to go the R9 route then i need to make the same sacrifice.
End it in short make the choice more def or more speed ur choice to make.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

KikouArashi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

well if they want to balance the aps ingame then take the claws and fist from every class but the BM who has the skills to use it.

Fast squads (ie. squads that can take people with 3.33+ aps in) wouldn't take any barbs or archers in their squads if those classes had to use their normal weapons. I don't think that would "balance" anything.

The only real way to balance would make every class deal about the same amount of dmg in PvE with the same amount of money invested. It won't happen in this game and I doubt it is like that in any game though.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »

I agree with the go full vit build and be a freaking BM like you should be statement.

but for TW purpose, stay your 5 aps build plox.

Also on a side note, i farmed my full rank 9 ( belt is ALMOST done). if you think about it, a piece of armour rank 9 is about the same price as a first recast nirvana piece, and if you factor in all the r9 pieces your second recast nirvana set is just as expensive as the r9 set. So in effect if you are still farming nirvana, you are wasting money on a non end-game set of gear.

quick price check:

TT99 bracers: 12 mil
TT99 boots: 24 mil
TT99 legs: 40 mil
TT99 chestpiece: 40 mil

4 sets of 250 cannies = 1K cannies = 500 mil ( at 500K canny price )

total set value without making them 4 socket = 616 mil

so that alone is your rank 9 wing + weapon. lets say you are lucky and roll a 3 socket average on all pieces, which is 16K socket stones per item, which is 64K socket stones at 10K each is 64 Mil

see where this is going?

with good prices and good luck on the sockets, it'll cost you roughly 700 mil to second recast your armour set. and for 700 mil you get the r9 ring+ the armour which is gauranteed 4 socket and better stats. and tada! you also have money left over

*PS prices may vary over servers


figured it out yet? no? ktnhxbai

Yeah, great idea of the BMs being full vit role as the "should be," then you may as well restrict fists/claws from all classes except BMs. So the other classes can be the class they were "should be."

As for the rest of your post, the rest of the other classes should just go rank 9 then. Make uncanny / raptures prices go down for us BMs/Sins so we can G15 our fists/daggers cheaper and still roll you having spent less, kthxbai.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

**** -int on r9,I just want more def lvls on it over attack for TW purposes.b:cry

If ppl are gonna keep QQ'ing about aps so much then maybe us bms & barbs should start QQ'ing all the time about all the attack lvls of r9 and jones bless greatly favor ranged classes.


Yea aps is terribly broken but you think 1 hitting full buffed players with high defenses & hp for dmg several times their hp isn't?GTFO!

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

114k crit

Longknife - Harshlands

Serious question here:

Since when has 5 aps in PVP been OP?

On a sin? Sure. They can kill people before the server even displays the sin out of stealth. But BMs? Ends the fight quicker but it's not exactly this essential or OP tool they have. I also can't name a pure fist Archer or barb (though there are some good barbs who mix axe and fist) who can PVP worth a darn.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Serious question here:

Since when has 5 aps in PVP been OP?

On a sin? Sure. They can kill people before the server even displays the sin out of stealth. But BMs? Ends the fight quicker but it's not exactly this essential or OP tool they have. I also can't name a pure fist Archer or barb (though there are some good barbs who mix axe and fist) who can PVP worth a darn.

Sin doesn't need ANY APS for PVP. They have what, a stun, sleep, or other '****' modifier on each and everyone of their skills. Even their self buffs puts a kitten into a nap somewhere in the world every time they use them. APS might be helpful for 80V80 TW simply because they can stealth, telestun, gank, and restealth before anyone else can do jack squat, then run away before any other sins can react.

Personally... I wanna do Sage Sin for PVP. But I'm focusing on my Archer and my Mystic, and to a lesser extent, my BM, so Sin is on the back burners.

Now... I can see a 5.0 APS Bow being... What... The most OP thing ever. But it doesn't exist. So whatever. Which is why I want a Zerk Bow... Would be the next best thing. >_> Eh, I'm gonna settle for the Gloom bow, same thing except does extra damage for 5% MP instead of HP.

Longknife - Harshlands

sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

sin Doesn't Need Any Aps For Pvp. They Have What, A Stun, Sleep, Or Other '****' Modifier On Each And Everyone Of Their Skills. Even Their Self Buffs Puts A Kitten Into A Nap Somewhere In The World Every Time They Use Them. Aps Might Be Helpful For 80v80 tw Simply Because They Can Stealth, Telestun, Gank, And Restealth Before Anyone Else Can Do Jack Squat, Then Run Away Before Any Other Sins Can React.

Personally... I Wanna Do Sage Sin For Pvp. But I'm Focusing On My Archer And My Mystic, And To A Lesser Extent, My Bm, So Sin Is On The Back Burners.

Now... I Can See A 5.0 Aps Bow Being... What... The Most Op Thing Ever. But It Doesn't Exist. So Whatever. Which Is Why I Want A Zerk Bow... Would Be The Next Best Thing. >_> Eh, I'm Gonna Settle For The Gloom Bow, Same Thing Except Does Extra Damage For 5% Mp Instead Of Hp.

G.t.f.o.