Wow...

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear

...just wow!

I haven't played PWI in almost a year (several reasons why), and, so far, I don't see anything new (not talking about expansion-wise, just in general). The only thing I see that might be called different is the Gold Trade. What the heck happened to prices?

When I first started PWI about 2.5 years ago, you could buy gold for less than 100k each piece. By the time I had to leave almost a year ago, gold was fluctuating between 250-450k each, depending on the current items on sale in the cash shop. Now gold prices are pushing 900k, each single piece.

Sorry gold sellers, if I stay in the game this time, you won't be getting my business. That's not supply and demand, that's just plain greed.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

oh look, yet another veno that doesnt know about supply&demand.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

When I first started PWI about 2.5 years ago, you could buy gold for less than 100k each piece. By the time I had to leave almost a year ago, gold was fluctuating between 250-450k each, depending on the current items on sale in the cash shop. Now gold prices are pushing 900k, each single piece.

Sorry gold sellers, if I stay in the game this time, you won't be getting my business. That's not supply and demand, that's just plain greed.

Most people can grind out over 100k in an hour, easily, especially people your level. Why on earth would any intelligent person sell something that is the equivalent of $1 USD for 100k or less, especially considering that 100k gives you virtually nothing in terms of competitive buying power?

If anyone's being greedy, it's you.

Dragono - Lost City

I hate such threads stop QQ and quit if you dont like the game <.<

PWI is the only game I know where you can buy Cash Money with ingame coins.
Every other game I know dont have such system the only way there is to buy the Item you need directly.

I also dont understand why people want to buy Gold from the Auctioner, buying the Item you want is much cheaper O.o

Nikit - Harshlands

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...just wow!

I haven't played PWI in almost a year (several reasons why), and, so far, I don't see anything new (not talking about expansion-wise, just in general). The only thing I see that might be called different is the Gold Trade. What the heck happened to prices?

When I first started PWI about 2.5 years ago, you could buy gold for less than 100k each piece. By the time I had to leave almost a year ago, gold was fluctuating between 250-450k each, depending on the current items on sale in the cash shop. Now gold prices are pushing 900k, each single piece.

Sorry gold sellers, if I stay in the game this time, you won't be getting my business. That's not supply and demand, that's just plain greed.

Umm...actually u should see the prices at which people want gold in auction gold trading....its around 800k+ ....so it means people do have coins to buy even that expensive gold and somewhere in game they are making those coins....100k was a big deal to earn, back then when u played, a fewer people were 100 and '5 aps' thus farming wasnt that easy and gold was cheap....now if u keep playing u'll know that 100k is lot easier to make and leveling is easy too....CSers in game also make things easier for u ingame too...for example i've seen that most of CSers sell their used gears at relatively lower prices than the person who farmed stuff on his own to make those gears... pls dnt mind the flame posts being made...

Okeano - Harshlands

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry gold sellers, if I stay in the game this time, you won't be getting my business. That's not supply and demand, that's just plain greed.

Um actually... it is. The value of a gold, what one gold can buy, has changed and therefore its value in relation to coins.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

sure it's supply and demand. you just need to also learn another economic concept, the skewed market. various cash shop sales and offers have dried up the supply of gold such that coins have (relatively) lost their value; soaring gold prices follow. this is (i am personally convinced) a deliberate attempt by PWE to convince people to buy zen.

DemansPsy - Lost City

wow gold is at 700-900k, nvm the fact that that means FULL R9 +RING(best armor/wep currently in game) only costs 1bil coin (which is comptly farmable/merchablr(b:pleased), even for a non aps class) and gettin +10 orbs was 30mil or less, no gold is waaay to high its pure greed, kill the cash shoppers for makin it so high

/sarcasium(i cant spell btw)

o and before anyone says, but i have a life and cant farm/merch etc, this is a mmo...it assumes u dont have a life, if u do, thats great, but then ur reasoning is invalid

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

I hate such threads stop QQ and quit if you dont like the game <.<

PWI is the only game I know where you can buy Cash Money with ingame coins.
Every other game I know dont have such system the only way there is to buy the Item you need directly.

there's another game where not only can you buy cash with ingame coins, but ingame coins have a real world exchange rate, meaning you can take game money out of your game account and put it in a real account.

why all of PWI's promerchants arent playing that game instead is beyond me. you cant pay rent or buy groceries with love: up and down, or dragon orbs.

DemansPsy - Lost City

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

there's another game where not only can you buy cash with ingame coins, but ingame coins have a real world exchange rate, meaning you can take game money out of your game account and put it in a real account.

why all of PWI's promerchants arent playing that game instead is beyond me. you cant pay rent or buy groceries with love: up and down, or dragon orbs.

because iv never heard of this game....0.0

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

google "real cash economy"

Okeano - Harshlands

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

google "real cash economy"

SO giving that a try. Would be nice if I can cash out my billion coins sometime.

BlaZinBoy - Heavens Tear

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...just wow!

I haven't played PWI in almost a year (several reasons why), and, so far, I don't see anything new (not talking about expansion-wise, just in general). The only thing I see that might be called different is the Gold Trade. What the heck happened to prices?

When I first started PWI about 2.5 years ago, you could buy gold for less than 100k each piece. By the time I had to leave almost a year ago, gold was fluctuating between 250-450k each, depending on the current items on sale in the cash shop. Now gold prices are pushing 900k, each single piece.

Sorry gold sellers, if I stay in the game this time, you won't be getting my business. That's not supply and demand, that's just plain greed.

look making money these days isn't hard...it isn't 2008 no more Hun.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

Er, you can purchase rank 8 for a mere ~55m coins, with gold at 700k-ish. That's ludicrously cheap. Don't blame gold sellers for what someone else decides to put on sale in the boutique at a steep discount.

WnbTank - Archosaur

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Er, you can purchase rank 8 for a mere ~55m coins, with gold at 700k-ish. That's ludicrously cheap. Don't blame gold sellers for what someone else decides to put on sale in the boutique at a steep discount.

Yeah... I actually farmed my sins R8, well R8 when that slowpoke is on lvl 100, rep is there already =/. IT really isn`t even hard to make those coins if you see effort, I kinda did not see too much effort with my sin anyways. Oh well, it seems that alt is more than just buffer when I get it leveled, all I was aiming for was sage BP =/.

Nuku_Nuku - Raging Tide

if it is not broke, dont fix it

Zoe - Heavens Tear

It still comes down to greed. The rule I keep giving out always has, and always will apply.

It does not matter what people are selling or buying something for. You, as a seller, have the power to not sell for a high price. As long as you have the power to not sell for a high price, (and you always will), any high price is purely greed.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It still comes down to greed. The rule I keep giving out always has, and always will apply.

It does not matter what people are selling or buying something for. You, as a seller, have the power to not sell for a high price. As long as you have the power to not sell for a high price, (and you always will), any high price is purely greed.

good ol zoe, always posting in absolutes. sellers will only sell at a price people will buy, its zero sum, the value one party places on gold is the exact price the other party places on coins, the fact that an exchange occurred evidences that there was a meeting of the minds on the part of the buyer and seller on the equal value of what both parties brought to the table.

the person that wants gold is equally as greedy as the person who wants coins, saying one party is greedy just evidences your disdain for the other party, your attitude is your own problem.

Okeano - Harshlands

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

good ol zoe, always posting in absolutes. sellers will only sell at a price people will buy, its zero sum, the value one party places on gold is the exact price the other party places on coins, the fact that an exchange occurred evidences that there was a meeting of the minds on the part of the buyer and seller on the equal value of what both parties brought to the table.

the person that wants gold is equally as greedy as the person who wants coins, saying one party is greedy just evidences your disdain for the other party, your attitude is your own problem.

Couldn't have said it better myself. b:thanks

Drazo - Dreamweaver

It has changed a little actually....the PWE-to-player relation and *coughtheplayercommunitycough*. b:cute

b:avoid

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

Sounds like a troll.

Anyway, dun come back.

Ciao

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear

I see...

NOTHING has changed in this game, except the higher gold trade prices. It's the same argument too. The sellers blame the buyers, when in fact, it is the sellers. The buyers place offers based on the previous sellers prices and sales. It's the sellers that keep pushing the price up.

Here's a little advice for ya'll, though... not related to gold, coins, or zen.

"It won't hurt for "some people" to take classes in etiquette. And if those "some people" are reading this - etiquette means MANNERS."

That's the biggie that hasn't changed in this game. Bad manners and know-it-all attitudes. You know what a know-it-all really knows? NOTHING!

It's greed, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with supply and demand. The gold sellers will always have gold to sell and buyers will always be buying. Doesn't matter what the cash shops current prices are. The sellers are just greedy and the buyers are trying to keep them satiated while attempting to acquire the gold they want (note: want, not need).

And no I am not a troll. I only came back to pwi because I am curious as to what the new expansion will have to offer. The player base may make it very much NOT worth my while though, if the attitudes in this thread are any indication of what I will find in the game. And it is JUST A GAME, folks. Elitism has no place in it. In fact, imho, elitism has no place whatsoever anywhere! Not one of you is better than me and vice-versa. So don't triffle me with your snottish attitudes. I have not and will not ever do that to anyone else.

Cocobelle - Sanctuary

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I see...

NOTHING has changed in this game, except the higher gold trade prices. It's the same argument too. The sellers blame the buyers, when in fact, it is the sellers. The buyers place offers based on the previous sellers prices and sales. It's the sellers that keep pushing the price up.

Here's a little advice for ya'll, though... not related to gold, coins, or zen.

"It won't hurt for "some people" to take classes in etiquette. And if those "some people" are reading this - etiquette means MANNERS."

That's the biggie that hasn't changed in this game. Bad manners and know-it-all attitudes. You know what a know-it-all really knows? NOTHING!

It's greed, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with supply and demand. The gold sellers will always have gold to sell and buyers will always be buying. Doesn't matter what the cash shops current prices are. The sellers are just greedy and the buyers are trying to keep them satiated while attempting to acquire the gold they want (note: want, not need).

And no I am not a troll. I only came back to pwi because I am curious as to what the new expansion will have to offer. The player base may make it very much NOT worth my while though, if the attitudes in this thread are any indication of what I will find in the game. And it is JUST A GAME, folks. Elitism has no place in it. In fact, imho, elitism has no place whatsoever anywhere! Not one of you is better than me and vice-versa. So don't triffle me with your snottish attitudes. I have not and will not ever do that to anyone else.

tl;dr the whole thread
A lot of people do not agree with the current gold prices, but people still buy them. Buying gold was never a necessity but rather a luxury. So if you're so unhappy with the prices, why bother buying them or look at them?

The people who post here is not PWI's whole community, but rather a small fraction. Not a lot of people even know we have a forum, ijs. b:chuckle

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

to continue my explanation from the last page, when a buyer and a seller agree on a price they are exchanging what they perceive something of slightly lesser value for what they perceive to have a slightly greater value or equal value with differing utility [e.g. there are things you can do with coin that you cant do with gold and things you can do with gold that you cant with coin]. both the person with gold and the person with coin has a desire to have what they dont have and what the other person does have.
you and several other people have made the same erroneous conflation of desire and greed. Everyone in this game has desire for things they dont have, everyone. If a person was completely satisfied with their current state, there would be no reason to continue playing, just chatting. i haven't come across one of these people yet.
the game is all about acquiring good and experience.

now, to say that people who have what you want should sell it for what you think it is worth, rather than what the economy [which is another way of saying what the majority of people consider the fair price to be, not what they wish it was] is to say that you should get more than what you are paying for. A person who is wants to get more than they are willing to give in exchange is the definition of greed.

Okeano - Harshlands

Yes those damn sellers. How dare they sell gold for 700k each when people are offering 700k? They should mail back the coins to the buyers and stop being greedy.

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear

Another thing that hasn't changed... people either do not read, but only skim posts and pick out certain words and phrases or they do not correctly perceive what they are reading. Because the responses are contrary to what was actually written in plain english.

I wasn't looking to buy gold, I have no desire or need for it. I have always been satisfied with quested gear and what I get in drops or off the ah. I was just astounded by the inflation of the prices on the gold trade. It inflates the prices I pay in coins for certain items on the AH and in cat shops, btw. It affects everyone, not just the gold sellers and buyers.

FYI... those of you who have accused me of being "the greedy one" are most likely the ones inflating the gold prices. Take the mirror from in front of your faces, that's your own reflection, not my face.

PS: It may not seem like much to some of you, but when I left the game before I had almost 9 mil coins... so I come back far from broke. Albeit, it won't go as far as it did a year ago. Someone mentioned a "mere" 55mil coins... do you have any idea how much farming it would take to make that much coin at 100k per hour? (which doesn't always happen, more like between 50-80k per hour most of the time, as I remember) Goals would never be reached, and isn't THAT (goals) what games are about? I bet you didn't consider it a "mere" 55mil when you had only 9mil or less. And certainly not if you were solo farming it all, like many people do.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

i made general propositions, logical statements and conclusions, you personalized them.
if you want to get more than put out in an transaction you're being greedy. if you dont then you arent. If you just arent happy with the economy, and would rather complain than adapt to it, thats your business, but dont expect any solace from those who have either adapted, or left, and expect only the company of those who want to stay but refuse to adapt and enjoy the echo chamber.

To say that someone who presents a cogent, logical rebuttal to your fallacious
assertions is the cause of your perceived problem is ridiculous.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I see...

NOTHING has changed in this game, except the higher gold trade prices.

I think tideborn are new, since when you were playing before?

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"It won't hurt for "some people" to take classes in etiquette. And if those "some people" are reading this - etiquette means MANNERS."

I agree with you here, but in my experience the people that pay attention to this kind of suggestion are not the people that would most benefit from implementing it.

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's greed, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with supply and demand.

Here, I think I am going to disagree with you. I have both bought and sold gold, and I also earn quite a bit of coin using both from farming and from selling things in game. Its certainly discouraging, when gold prices jump, and you can certainly say that any interest in prices which conflicts with your own is greed.

Nevertheless, I can earn coins in game (without any trading) a lot faster now than I could when gold was only 100k. This has changed so much for me that even with the increase in gold cost, I can earn gold faster, now than I could back then.

Mind you, the price of gold has taken some big jumps during some sales. People see the sale and want to take advantage of it, so they buy a lot of gold, and the price goes up and other people see that they can make some coins selling gold so they sell for the higher prices. But some of our other in-game market prices seem to be set "by tradition" or other such things, where gold price hardly changes them.

Anyways, I am not sure if anything I am writing here helps you in any way, but my perspective seems to be different from yours, and might or might not interest you.

Finrah - Sanctuary

This might be overlooked so I'ma say it o.o


There are two types of gamers in general in PWI:

Spend loads of your time in-game to gain money and save up for whatever you want to buy, while **** your real life.

or

Spend loads of your time in real life to gain money and use them in game for whatever you want to buy, balancing both real and in-game life.


And obviously people would want to make the most of every dollar they earn which are gained by hard work; natural human instincts really.

And like someone mentioned above; if people are offering 700k then why not sell them at 700k? They obviously have the money to buy it. If you don't want it to go up.. stay constant at your buy price at a low cost.

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i made general propositions, logical statements and conclusions, you personalized them.
if you want to get more than put out in an transaction you're being greedy. if you dont then you arent. If you just arent happy with the economy, and would rather complain than adapt to it, thats your business, but dont expect any solace from those who have either adapted, or left, and expect only the company of those who want to stay but refuse to adapt and enjoy the echo chamber.

To say that someone who presents a cogent, logical rebuttal to your fallacious
assertions is the cause of your perceived problem is ridiculous.

As I haven't replied to anything you've talked about, I haven't a clue what you're getting at here.

I haven't asked for solace, don't need it, don't want it. I haven't asked for nor do I expect to get more for less. I expect to pay what is asked for IF the item is actually worth the price. What I did was make a comment about how much higher the prices on the gold trade are now (as opposed to a year ago). I used to on occasion by a gold or two on the trade and save them up to treat myself to something nice (unnecessary, but nice). I simply won't be doing that anymore. You all can keep your bloated economy and puffed up attitudes. I don't need any of it to play this game. It was these kind of attitudes from players that made me, and many others, leave the game in the first place... NOT the economy.

I have never understood how or why people have to be so uppity and conceited in A GAME! I can only assume one of two things... (1) you're that way in real life; or (2) you're so insecure and unhappy with yourself that you have to make others feel bad to make yourself feel good. (NOTE: You and You're refers to everyone of this type of attitude, not one person specifically)

/goodbye

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

do you kick over the board when you're losing a game of checkers?