When u cut down the overpowerd Sin
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It is ok
just wait I know Mystic and Seeker at least one of them is gonna get a skill at 79/100 that allows them to see through stealth!! Well we can only hope lol.
its mystic and i think skill range would be 10meters...so ummm still sins are op Q.Q b:surrender
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Even if that is trueNikit - Harshlands wrote: »its mystic and i think skill range would be 10meters...so ummm still sins are op Q.Q b:surrender
Edit: i lol'd at the above post b:laugh 10 meters is still better than nothing lol. Also I did not lol at the above post really made no sense to me and just looked like a flame attempt. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What bothers me the most is the fact that the majority of the community blames the player that rolled an assassin, and almost never the devs for creating these insane skills.
A certain character even went so far as to call assassins "smelly fish". It's pure hate for no reason. Stop following the sheep. You may have not noticed, but the hate is worse and louder than the effect "OP assassins" have on the player base.
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Even if that is true 10 meters is still better than nothing lol. Also I did not lol at the above post really made no sense to me and just looked like a flame attempt.
I do not mean to do anything with that post.
Im not trolling or flaming.
I just like people seeing hank hill because he is the man.0 -
Even if that is true 10 meters is still better than nothing lol. Also I did not lol at the above post really made no sense to me and just looked like a flame attempt.
look in the 4-5 threads below this its just a fail troll that keeps posting that same picture and he has been reported which means he will be banned hopefully soon as frankie can get to it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Interesting. When I was saying exactly the same thing, when kitamura reach lv.105 and everybody grats. to him. EVEN GM!!!Yea overpowerd !!!
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
I already told, that is huge unbalanced and unjustified to another classes. People told me I'm just jealous and idiot.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »Interesting. When I was saying exactly the same thing, when kitamura reach lv.105 and everybody grats. to him. EVEN GM!!!
I already told, that is huge unbalanced and unjustified to another classes. People told me I'm just jealous and idiot.
have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think0 -
Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think
Quoted for common sense.
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OMg. So this is excuses for HUGE advantage over another classes?Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think
And what about mages? They also had to used to be higher level to be PK efficient before tideborns. And still don't have stealth ability like sins do.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Quoted for still blind of the truth.Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think
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Yea overpowerd !!!
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
It's not overpowered to be high level. It just takes time and dedication. All honor to those who have made it that high. Solo FC
is endless boring too. Which is why i haven't done so much of it. I
rather do it with a squad. much more fun This is my signature. It is my sin in stealth mode.0 -
Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think
So wait... you are saying that for a sin to be effective in pk they need a high level to be able to see the other sins, or they are useless?
Why is the ability to see other sins a "pk need" for sins, if the rest of us just have to suck it up and deal with it?I love drinking tea0 -
Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »So wait... you are saying that for a sin to be effective in pk they need a high level to be able to see the other sins, or they are useless?
Why is the ability to see other sins a "pk need" for sins, if the rest of us just have to suck it up and deal with it?
Sir, you could nuke entire factions for hundreds of thousands of damage points. Enough said.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »So wait... you are saying that for a sin to be effective in pk they need a high level to be able to see the other sins, or they are useless?
Why is the ability to see other sins a "pk need" for sins, if the rest of us just have to suck it up and deal with it?
Why dont you just stay blue name???0 -
_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »Why dont you just stay blue name???
Because you cannot stay blue name in some PK!!!! instances. Sin's PK you regardless of your status.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »Because you cannot stay blue name in some PK!!!! instances. Sin's PK you regardless of your status.
Roll a sin and QQ less???0 -
That would be what we call "Jumping on the bandwagon". There are already enough people who just want an easy play compared to those who actually try other classes and make them work for them. There is a fine line between skill and those who just want things handed to them on a silver platter._Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »Roll a sin and QQ less???
Also a comment such as this one, is not merited since you obviously play a sin yourself.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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So @ Spot and Abstractive. Seeing as you decided to completely avoid the questions I posed and try to turn the discussion from one about white named sins into one about blue named wizards... I'll ask the main one again.
Why is the ability to see other sins a "pk need" for sins, if the rest of us just have to suck it up and deal with it?
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you hit your standard "macro answer to wizard response"... it gives almost perfect results in pk, after all.I love drinking tea0 -
Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »Sir, you could nuke entire factions for hundreds of thousands of damage points. Enough said.
Yeah but those skills require spark and a decision on which one to use..and also the "whole faction" that's going to die will have to be destracted and cuddled in a what..10-20m DMG radius...
But yeah sin are very op to be able to solo ff...but hey I got one in the works and I see dollar signs lol...hell I got all the endgame **** to use on it...now it's just a matter of time getting to use it...but I can do all that **** on my bm too..and prob my archer.
Though sins cry about being ganked in other topics....I think them being able to not be seen or to see other sin is so they can gank someone...0 -
You people are mostly ~edited~. All yoj complain about is pve. Pvp is the most fun part of the game... Why base your pkay so much on killing mobs? Sins in pve are at the top. Everyone is happy when you get a sin in your pve squad. In 1v1 pvp sins are again the best, no argument. But in tw, we are next to useless. I tw every week and its never on my sin. Tw is the most fun in this game, and we cant do ~edited~ in it. So stop ****ing complaning about op. We are not.
Id like to take this time to say seekers wont do well in tw either.0 -
Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »You people are mostly retar.ded. All yoj complain about is pve. Pvp is the most fun part of the game... Why base your pkay so much on killing mobs? Sins in pve are at the top. Everyone is happy when you get a sin in your pve squad. In 1v1 pvp sins are again the best, no argument. But in tw, we are next to useless. I tw every week and its never on my sin. Tw is the most fun in this game, and we cant do sht in it. So stop ****ing complaning about op. We are not.
Id like to take this time to say seekers wont do well in tw either.
You obviously think that your way of gameplay is the ONLY way to play a game.
Assuming is a main trait of being an idiot. You make your own summary from that statement, k?
Sins should not be able to have such a high advantage over other classes. I don't care what any excuse is used, its just out of line.
You would think Dev's would do it too, because Sins make this company lose money. Not much need of charms and whatnot, because a Sin can solo quite a bit, farm all their gear and sell, make profit, and not charge a dime.
Can any other class stealth through entire instances and solo bosses? Last I checked, nope. Sins wouldn't be able to survive the mobs alone. So why should they have that ability?
I say make stealth pure PvP. Lets see how much the QQ tables get turned around then.0 -
Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »have you guys think even for a second that sin need hi lvl to be pk efficient?
no other class need hi lvl for few stat point maybe for spirit..but sin need solo until go crazy fc so he can see other sins.... i realy realy hate solo fc all day and night but go west and get attacked and killed by 2 sins that i don't see is really bitter..
the fact that a sin got 105 is last thing you should cry about sin really..you want lvl go fc you can do it..stop qq for a bit and think
Can't see other Sins? Get attacked and killed by 2 Sins you can't see? Now we can't have that! It's not like every other class that have to deal with Sins by having millisecond reflexes. If us Sins have to do that too, we just can't PK at all! Where's the damn justices? "Sins is not OP because we have to work so hard to level to see other Sins. Else if we can't see a Sin, we die before the server can react. Nope, not OP."
Get over it Nyxyo. Sin is a fail class that takes no skill in PvP. You walk next to someone, press a button and they die. I got sick of my Sin long ago. It's *really* not OP when a pathetic CS Sin with G15 +12 faceroll (literally, as in spam tele stun, Headhunt, Occult Ice ALL IN ONE GO) and then auto my BM in Nirvana HA to death. Jokers that knows nothing about stun lock, kiting or anything about PvP needs to just catch you once in stun while your AD is in c/d and you are done for.0 -
Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »So @ Spot and Abstractive. Seeing as you decided to completely avoid the questions I posed and try to turn the discussion from one about white named sins into one about blue named wizards... I'll ask the main one again.
Why is the ability to see other sins a "pk need" for sins, if the rest of us just have to suck it up and deal with it?
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you hit your standard "macro answer to wizard response"... it gives almost perfect results in pk, after all.
Ok ill play ur game....
Light armor worst defense in game no stone barrier no shileds defense skill period.....
Wt makes sins shine in pvp is stealth period....
Surviving a sin attack(higher than u) well hun we can maybe.... but like archer we can pop up shileds after or we can holly path and run away.
Like a wiz we dont have ubber phisical defense(mine is near 3.5k whow much is yours??)
Like a veno we dont have a glitched op pet the pew pew on us
Like a psychis we dont have imune skill wtf sleep
Same goes as clerics....
What you indeed are forgeting my dear friend is that to be efective on a sin you gonna need int- and well that has its costs...(wich is a fking lot)
Does a non interval sin kills you in 5 sec????? well if he does you really suck
Face the facts of the new era sins are mean bishes who need stealth to pvp i tryed to 1 vs 1 a wiz withotu using stealth, lol he hits me in 10k pfffffffff
A funny thing on this QQ bishes that you obviosly are is this point:
After see what sins/bms do with int ppl add domain and expel on genie.......
But whart they didnt do was refining the ornaments or ekips its pretty amusing when i c a wiz with a rank 8 10+ and the i look at his armor all+3
Instead of 10+ armor why dont balance your refines???????and get more dwefense since you already got a awsome attack power.......
That is allb:kiss0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Can't see other Sins? Get attacked and killed by 2 Sins you can't see? Now we can't have that! It's not like every other class that have to deal with Sins by having millisecond reflexes. If us Sins have to do that too, we just can't PK at all! Where's the damn justices? "Sins is not OP because we have to work so hard to level to see other Sins. Else if we can't see a Sin, we die before the server can react. Nope, not OP."
Get over it Nyxyo. Sin is a fail class that takes no skill in PvP. You walk next to someone, press a button and they die. I got sick of my Sin long ago. It's *really* not OP when a pathetic CS Sin with G15 +12 faceroll (literally, as in spam tele stun, Headhunt, Occult Ice ALL IN ONE GO) and then auto my BM in Nirvana HA to death. Jokers that knows nothing about stun lock, kiting or anything about PvP needs to just catch you once in stun while your AD is in c/d and you are done for.
you trully are a funny guy what skill a rank 9 wiz or psy needd besides pressing a player and well one skill to hit him in 100k??????
same goes for archer oh well what skill a +12 rank 9 barb need he can just tank demon sparks and only press f1 norlma hiting a player...b:bye0 -
Yea overpowerd !!!
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
Reason why there its so many 104/105 sins (compared to other classes) is because sins have to keep leveling if they wanna remain OP. You need at least 103 as a sin if you wanna be able to remain somewhat unnoticed in World pvp.
Its like people dont realize how many months of their life all 104/105 sins have spent inside Frost to remain untouchable in pvp. You get maybe 0.5% at level 103 from a full frost run. No one but a sin would even bother cuz there is no other gain but a few stat points.
BMs and Barbs at 5.0 can solo Frost almost as effectively as a sin. The mobs sin skip, those mobs a barb will pull and kill in 1-2 aoes and get extra exp - which makes up for the extra few minutes they have to spend in there. You can only activate 10 times a day as well, its same for all classes.
Hyper exp and Frost came out about the same time as Tideborn expansion to. So other classes did not get a head start in terms of levels. Before that there was no effective way of leveling after 101+.
Sins no-life to 104/105 because levels is everything for that specific class. Even if you removed the stealth option in Frost, im pretty sure majority of higher levels would still be sins.0 -
Do you know how to read? G15 = Nirvana, not R9. Even G13 +10 drops anyone at 4 APS base._Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »you trully are a funny guy what skill a rank 9 wiz or psy needd besides pressing a player and well one skill to hit him in 100k??????
same goes for archer oh well what skill a +12 rank 9 barb need he can just tank demon sparks and only press f1 norlma hiting a player...b:bye
So your excuse to Sin have to not be seen by other Sins for PvP to be "fair" is that LA has worst defense. Except 3k def or 20k def makes no difference. Mages have what, 10k pdef at the most? My BM with marrow and Cleric buff at 20k def still dies before a stun is up.
First stun to get you to use your genie > Stealth > second stun gg. Nope not OP.0 -
Okeano, did you ever tw as a sin?0
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_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »Ok ill play ur game....
Light armor worst defense in game no stone barrier no shileds defense skill period.....
Wt makes sins shine in pvp is stealth period....
Surviving a sin attack(higher than u) well hun we can maybe.... but like archer we can pop up shileds after or we can holly path and run away.
Like a wiz we dont have ubber phisical defense(mine is near 3.5k whow much is yours??)
Like a veno we dont have a glitched op pet the pew pew on us
Like a psychis we dont have imune skill wtf sleep
Same goes as clerics....
What you indeed are forgeting my dear friend is that to be efective on a sin you gonna need int- and well that has its costs...(wich is a fking lot)
Does a non interval sin kills you in 5 sec????? well if he does you really suck
Face the facts of the new era sins are mean bishes who need stealth to pvp i tryed to 1 vs 1 a wiz withotu using stealth, lol he hits me in 10k pfffffffff
A funny thing on this QQ bishes that you obviosly are is this point:
After see what sins/bms do with int ppl add domain and expel on genie.......
But whart they didnt do was refining the ornaments or ekips its pretty amusing when i c a wiz with a rank 8 10+ and the i look at his armor all+3
Instead of 10+ armor why dont balance your refines???????and get more dwefense since you already got a awsome attack power.......
That is allb:kiss
Okay, I see what you are saying, its because other than stealth you have poor defences.
You have deaden nerves, you have focused mind. You also have a truckload of stuns / sleeps and teleports to get you out of trouble. Yes statwise you may elect to use gear that allows you to kill your opponent before he even gets a sniff at you, but as far as defense skills go, you rank about the same as the other classes (and that is not including stealth).
I don't believe that sins HAVE to go the APS route to be effective in PK (and they certainly don't have to nerf their defense to all hell by going 5.0). If a sin chose to go with a build that favoured defense, I think they would still be hugely OP'd and would be in a similar position to the rest of us with sins who are a higher level. Of course they dont need to do that, because other than higher level sins they have nothing to fear but their own stupidity.
In response to your question btw, fully buffed I have around 15.5k pdef, 9.5k hp and 26 defense levels (my cube necklace is +10, my armour is only +7 and my weapon is +10, I guess we agree on that particular part of the game).Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »My BM with marrow and Cleric buff at 20k def still dies before a stun is up.
First stun to get you to use your genie > Stealth > second stun gg. Nope not OP.
^^ That
I dont think sins are terrible in TW, though I have to admit they aren't great. If the opposing faction has 2-3 really powerful casters / archers, a couple of decent sins can go a long long way to nullifying that threat. They are also amazing at keeping the bind posts down, which is pivotal to any TW strategy. Long cooldowns do play heavily against them though in TW as they spend so much time being inneffective, which is something that really isn't an issue in world pk.I love drinking tea0 -
Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »Okeano, did you ever tw as a sin?
Yes it sucked. But it doesn't change the fact that Sin is OP in world PvP.0 -
3.5k pdef at 10x...you must be at the bottom of the LC barrel. Try again with 15k+ pdef fully buffed in LA, a built-in evasion skill, 10-15k hp buffed, and call yourself squishy at endgame.
For the record, 10k pdef is very mediocre for a triple buffed wizard. try 20k+
really endgame clerics have about 10k pdef...not wizards. (but that is what Plume Shell is for)
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