When u cut down the overpowerd Sin
sobat
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Yea overpowerd !!!
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
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Its pointless to complain anymore, 'cause after breaking bank like no tomorrow on the 1st wave of packs and the new "obviously" OP Classes (mainly 'sassins), PWE just can't stop "progress" at this point, its too late and the game is now a P2W private server. I'm sorry, the damage was already done.
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Gigglesnort - Lost City wrote: »I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.
she/he/it is QQing because 2 sins got to 105 before any of the other classes thats been around for longer. anyone can do it, it just takes a little something called "dedication".
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He's not a troll, lol -.-Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »she/he/it is QQing because 2 sins got to 105 before any of the other classes thats been around for longer. anyone can do it, it just takes a little something called "dedication".
btw OP is a fail troll.●Barb - The "natural" leader. Cool and collected, slow to anger, and typically jovial. Swift to act when friends' lives are in danger, and prepared to lay down his life if the situation calls for it.
End of lvling, starting of the unimaginableb:laughb:victoryb:coolb:cool0 -
any class can do this just as fast... but after 101 there's no reason to level up for those classes because they have nothing left to unlock
after 100 if a sin wants to pk effectively with stealth other assassins can see him... they have determination and a reason to lvl up to the cap because with demon/sage stealth nobody in the game can see them stealthed and their prtty much pking gods... any other class become any more godly with an extra 20 stat points? IJS b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What ninja said makes sense
But there's also the fact that assassins can blaze through solo FCs, giving them a slight advantage (not saying other classes can't, it's just easier, faster and cheaper for sins)b:pleasedb:pleasedb:pleased0 -
Who cares, another sin got to 105, hurray for him/her, why would ppl bi tch about it, be happy or shut it.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy
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Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »btw OP is a fail troll.
This is one of those "Pot-calls-the-kettle-black" scenarios. b:chuckle
(BTW, did you know baka means idiot in japanese? The last part of your name is close enough, literally meaning: "idiot-like". The irony of this is beyond delicious.)
OP is correct.
Why do all the Sins hit 104? There's a ton of people who have been playing since the beginning of Beta, and still haven't hit it. (Most have quit, but that's neither here nor there.)
There's NO excuse! We should have just as many original classes at that level? Reason why not?
It's infinitely easier to level an Assassin.
Nobody knows exactly WHY, but it is.
Kitamura has an excuse. She did the entire thing WITHOUT Cash Shopping, and did it in four months. The fact that she chose to level an Assassin probably has more to do with PvP than anything else. I'm willing to bet that if she rolled another character, doing the same thing, she could accomplish the latter in relatively the same amount of time.
You COULD argue that the entire rest of the playerbase doesn't know how to level....
And you would probably be an idiot.
You COULD argue that the ENTIRE rest of the playerbase is too lazy to level....
And you would be an even bigger idiot.
But of course, if you tell the Assassins they're OP....you can guess that they come back and QQ about not being OP, tell the original poster to shut up, and continue blissfully unaware, or stupidly apathetic.
Me? I sit and wait for the Seekers to come out. b:byeMy Harshland main has funky lettering, so forums delete his posts. Now I post on my boredom toon from Archosaur.
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I agreed no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, so they have the same benefit as other characters.0
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Any class with the dedication to level can find a way to do it fast and effectively.
Sins usually are the main one's to power through to max level for the stealthing benefits in PvE, but moreso PvP.
When you think about it, what's the point of actually NEEDING to level other classes past 101 (r9)? Those that do keep going have the desire to achieve a higher level b:cute
Rather than trying to take away the advantages of the assassin, how about giving some to the other classes?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Raequel (103 Sage Veno) / Egwaine (101 Demon Cleric)
Daniiella (101 Sage Sin) / Else (100 Demon Archer)
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Raequel - Dreamweaver wrote: »When you think about it, what's the point of actually NEEDING to level other classes past 101 (r9)? Those that do keep going have the desire to achieve a higher level b:cute
Rather than trying to take away the advantages of the assassin, how about giving some to the other classes?
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Watch the videos of them soloing FC:
stealth
5 aps
overabundance of spark generation skills
bloodpaint (nothing really wrong with bloodpaint, but when you combine it with 5 aps and perma spark, just throw in a charm and some meats and a sin is the ultimate instance soloer)
No other class can solo FC (tha main xp instance 80-105) as fast as an assassin can. Next closest is probably a bm but a bm has to run through the mobs.
Assasins are OVERPOWERED and the main reason is that they have the ability to go stealth with 0 drawbacks. At least in some other games I know of, there was always one class e.g. archer/ranger that could see assassins using a skill. Instead we have a pot which is as useful as throwin a pebble in the ocean and hoping we hit a "fish".
The second issue of stealth is that is has 0 drawbacks. Most classes have some overpowered skill but they all come at a cost and cannot be used infinitely. Case in point, the strongest wizard skill is essential sutra: no channel time on skills. BUT it only last 6 seconds and given that the skills still retain their cast time and that -chan was actually nerfed on average you can get of about 4/5 skill before you lose the ability. ALSO it takes 2 sparks to use. By comparison a sin can go into stealth almost indefinitely AND gains a spark while doing it.
Issue number 3 is that -intv gear has far too great an influence on this game. 5 aps is the bane of this game but the developers continue to refuse to do anything about it. How rediculous is 5 aps? I challenege any NON-5aps class to go into an bh/fb 69 UNBUFFED (that is only using self buffs) and kill any of those bosses in exactly 4 seconds. For the record I watched it happen myself and was appalled. Also watch the videos of sins soloing fc and see how fast they put down bosses. NO non-aps class is anywhere capable of doing what they do.
With respect to what I said about aps the gap in power between any class using -intv gear and those not using -intv gear is so rediculous that classes like mine (wizards) are no longer considered primary dds! The reason I'm here typing instead of playing is for that said reason. Just been refused FC after FC because all everyone wants is sins and bms as dds.
Dear GMs,
As of now, stealth+5aps are now affecting my ability to enjoy the game that I currently pay money at intervals to play. Once I hit 100 that (because I have come too far to stop short) my cash shop days are over. I cannot continue to support a game that is turning a blind eye to customer concern on what is now a year old+ issue.
Yours quite sincerely
Another dissapointed customer.
PS. Fix the game balance and I will be more than willing to spend my money with your company again.0 -
Raequel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Any class with the dedication to level can find a way to do it fast and effectively.
Sins usually are the main one's to power through to max level for the stealthing benefits in PvE, but moreso PvP.
When you think about it, what's the point of actually NEEDING to level other classes past 101 (r9)? Those that do keep going have the desire to achieve a higher level b:cute
Rather than trying to take away the advantages of the assassin, how about giving some to the other classes?
No other class can do it faster than sins. There's lots of facts around the forum how sins DD more than any other classes. Being able to solo instances and stealth directly to the boss instead of spending the time to clear the prerequisite mobs + high DD + always have the surprise element in PvP. While all the other classes have skills to RUN in to close in to opponent, sins have BOTH RUN and TELEPORT. Whats more, sin's r8 chest has -int which BM doesnt have, and while the original 6 classes has only 5 parts for r8, the sins have an extra part, the boots. I dont see in which aspect of PvE or PvP sins are inferior aside from probably GV which isnt really a focus in the game.
If anyone says sins arent OP, they're just lying to themselves or just trying to protect their class from getting nerfed. Half the server has a sin alt (me included), and they themselves roll a sin for this very reason.
But then again, if you think of buffing other classes, its going to imbalance the game further. Lets say you buff the DD for wizard, wiz/archer (alrdy a killer in pvp and tw) is gonna **** even more. If you -channel for magic class, it will benefit wiz more than psy. Non-aps barb will be even more useless.
IMO it would be better if there's items readily available to see stealth (e.g. like 20k for an NPC item that reveal an area for stealth, or place area debuff on sins which renders stealth ineffective or whatsoever), those who play DotA could have a clearer picture of what I'm talking about here, and no one in DotA complains invis heroes are too imbalanced. Or have a genie skill that reveal stealth, just as there is genie skill that negates BLEED.
And in PvE aspects, some mobs (perhaps the leader of the packs) in dungeon should have true vision, as long as they're alive, nearby mobs can see them as well. So if he want to avoid mobs, then he'll have to lure the leader out, kill him and stealth past the rest of the mobs. Totally removing stealth in dungeon is unreasonable, since its ultimately their defence mechanism.
And of course to balance the game further, aps should be capped at 3.33 or demon spark put a longer cooldown, of which i shant create more arguments considering there are more threads out there specialized in discussing this.
I know pretty well there's lots of selfish people around who dont want the game to be balanced just so that they themselves have the advantage. Even if somehow in future sins got buffed to the extent that they can have 5aps + 500k dmg per hit and magic classes DD using BIDS like 2 dmg to sins, sin-users will find an excuses to say that their class is balanced or its a necessity to be so, because its gonna make TT99/nirvana faster cheaper blah blah blah. And when they cant argue their way out because its so obvious, even to them, that this game is lobsided, these people will reply with, "Stop QQ-ing and learn to adapt, full stop" or "nub /thread". Everyone that side sins give the exact same argument. Its their nature, and there's no point making any forms of argument because you cant change their selfishness through reasonable arguments alone.0 -
ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »Its pointless to complain anymore, 'cause after breaking bank like no tomorrow on the 1st wave of packs and the new "obviously" OP Classes (mainly 'sassins)
It pleases my little Psychic heart every time I hear the original classes hate on my sin brethren and then say "ya Psys are legit enough."
-is accepted- b:coolI
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QQ moar, it takes insane amount of money to make a 5,0 sin (with dagers not useless fists or claws), rarely any sin i know can solo easily high instances with a decent int gear not 5.0, including myself I`m nowhere near 5.0.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy0
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »QQ moar, it takes insane amount of money to make a 5,0 sin (with dagers not useless fists or claws), rarely any sin i know can solo easily high instances with a decent int gear not 5.0, including myself I`m nowhere near 5.0.
Let's see who QQ's when people start Hypering their Earthguards to 105. b:chuckleMy Harshland main has funky lettering, so forums delete his posts. Now I post on my boredom toon from Archosaur.
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »QQ moar, it takes insane amount of money to make a 5,0 sin (with dagers not useless fists or claws), rarely any sin i know can solo easily high instances with a decent int gear not 5.0, including myself I`m nowhere near 5.0.
Shutup, stupid sin.
You'll never be cool with the original 6, like we Psychics. b:scornI AGOREY0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »Shutup, stupid sin.
You'll never be cool with the original 6, like we Psychics. b:scorn
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »QQ moar, it takes insane amount of money to make a 5,0 sin (with dagers not useless fists or claws), rarely any sin i know can solo easily high instances with a decent int gear not 5.0, including myself I`m nowhere near 5.0.
Other classes can spend 3 times the amount you spend to get a high aps sin and yet cant DD as much nor can they solo instances faster than sins with high aps. Comparatively, its really much cheaper to get a 5aps sin.0 -
Show me the r9 wiz who can solo FC as fast as a 5aps sin. Don't call names, I want the actual video of the wiz doing it.0
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »Of an overall IQ 6? i bet i won`t b:laugh
Can anyone make heads or tails of this?
I just know he tried to make a smartness insult but he haded a grammerz in the process. :cI AGOREY0 -
Minor solution-
Either Remove shadow escape entirely or make it so that you cant use it within 10 seconds of being hit at least, I vote remove it, the skill should never of existed in the first place, shadow
walk was a good idea, shadow escape was just a *lolOpSkill*
Shadow jump, make it so that it deals AT LEAST 1damage upon connecting with the mob so it cancels there stealth.
granted that wouldn't do much if shadow escape wasn't removed or made so a 10 second wait or so wasn't implemented...but its something.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »Minor solution-
Either Remove shadow escape entirely or make it so that you cant use it within 10 seconds of being hit at least, I vote remove it, the skill should never of existed in the first place, shadow
walk was a good idea, shadow escape was just a *lolOpSkill*
Shadow jump, make it so that it deals AT LEAST 1damage upon connecting with the mob so it cancels there stealth.
granted that wouldn't do much if shadow escape wasn't removed or made so a 10 second wait or so wasn't implemented...but its something.
+1 Shadow walk is more than enough, but sins on pvp servers would rather cut their wrists than agree that it should be removed or made less OP.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy0 -
PinkyRose - Archosaur wrote: »Kitamura has an excuse. She did the entire thing WITHOUT Cash Shopping, and did it in four months. ...
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PW needs to toss some lvl ? mobs in with the regular mobs in FF. One in each group should do nicely.
Then no more stealthing through mobs. Solo it all like the rest of us.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sin-- pve + pvp wise-- is OP just for one reason - Stealth, the so-I-called like months ago cheating skill . How the hell can a class exclusively see the other classes and walk pass by the entire mobs without a trace but not the other way round huh? What was in your mind to begin with when you gave them this cheating power, dear developers? b:puzzled
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Ruxal - Harshlands wrote: »Show me the r9 wiz who can solo FC as fast as a 5aps sin. Don't call names, I want the actual video of the wiz doing it.
Do you also demand videos of wizards aoe stunning like a BM, HF like a BM, amping like a veno, debuffing like a cleric, healing like a cleric, tanking damage like a barb, pulling in delta like a barb, damaging like a bm/sin too? Difference in classes are differences, deal with it. b:byeBladedZero - Sanctuary
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If you want to level your wizard faster, duo FC with an assassin. Assassin rushes through mobs, triple sparks, uses subsea, and then wizards 1 or 2-hits the mobs. Proceed to boss, wizard uses genie to help debuff boss, and sin kills in 1 or 2 sparks. Proceed to next group of mobs, etc, etc. Wouldn't be much slower than a solo run for an assassin; in fact, when you get to the big room, it'd be much easier to kill all the mobs in one go with a partner, and might end up saving time.
But this goes back to what others have already said; there isn't as much drive to have a high level wizard. The only thing a wizard gains is a few extra stat points; an assassin gains more stealth levels. Cuz if you have actually pked with an assassin, you'd know an assassin's worst enemy ... is a higher level assassin. True story, even the one hit wizards aren't 'as scary, long' as deaden nerves is in. Though with my ping of 400 they both pretty dangerous lol...
Also: other have pointed this out, but while assassins have many advantages in pve and 1 on 1 pk, they ... don't do so well in TW. That is actually a somewhat important downside to being an assassin. Most other classes can take for granted their usefulness in group pk.
Many other classes can 5aps. So remove 5aps from the argument. Stealth? Stealth is what DEFINES an assassin. Without stealth, an assassin becomes an archer without ranged attacks. Not especially useful! What next, make it so assassins can't use daggers??! Good grief.
Also: on DW server, the pk tournie winner is usually an archer, not an assassin. Coincidence? I think not.
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Stealth isn't a big deal for me. It's the stealth level add on from skills that they need to remove./quit.
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Yea overpowerd !!!
How can 2x chars which is only here after last expantion now already lvl 105
Look on the ranking list
1. Kitamura 105 Assassin Lost City
2. Rinc 105 Assassin Lost City
3. Komatsu 104 Blademaster Dreamweaver
4. SwiftDaggers 104 Assassin Dreamweaver
5. AssKris 104 Assassin Lost City
6. Elayne 104 Wizard Lost City
And now is there a second Sin 105 lvl
I think no more stealth for them in instances or dungeons, take away there advantage in there.
"OP" has nothing to do with lvling its about POWER. If you used as much oricles/hypers/training scrolls as these so called "op" sins you could get ANYTHING to 105 fast as "the sin thats only been around since last expantion" if not faster... By the way you do notice that LC is 4 of 6 of those rankings so maybe LC is OP by your standards since they have most of the rankings yeah?b:chuckle0
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