To die or not to die - rezzscroll

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver

This isn't as much a QQing then a simple wondering why.

I understand that some players haven't got the funds for it, but those a high(er) lvl should, to simply buy a REZZ SCROLL.

It costs 50K, and although that's enough cash for some, it really saves time.

When i'm in an instance, and the cleric dies, why the hell don't they simply buy a rezz scroll so they can continue playing and not leave the SQ waiting for 15 minutes to get back in ?

Not everyone has 24/7 time to play, and not everyone likes being kept waiting.

I agree, the scrolls are pointless exp-wise at first sight, but you SAVE time, thus it leaves you MORE time to kill mobs = more exp which you otherwise don't have.

In the 10-15 minutes it takes to get back/fly back, you could have regained a good % from the exp you lost. Isn't that Logical ?

Sp, please, when you can afford it, buy a dam rezz scroll and make life a little easier for the rest of us you're playing with. Thx.

p.s. not only clerics, other classes you sq with too.

Myralis - Sanctuary

Dear people I run my BHs with, why dont you just buy teleport stones so we dont have to wait for you. I dont have time to play 24/7.

As much as I might agree with your thesis, its still 50k and it seems a bit egoistical to me...
Telling people to not waste your time is just.. meh.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver

How about every other member of the squad donate 10k to the cleric and then they'll buy a rez scroll to make things more convenient for you?

Tearle - Dreamweaver

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How about every other member of the squad donate 10k to the cleric and then they'll buy a rez scroll to make things more convenient for you?

^If you expect every cleric you squad with to have one, you better be willing to pay for one. Not everyone wants to spend the money for it. For new players especially, it can get expensive and if the cleric dies due to a squad mess up, why should they be the one to pay for it in exp and coins?

If you demand they get up RIGHT THEN to save your time then at least be kind enough to help out with the money. After all, you can make the money back quickly no?


also, just carry res scrolls yourself then you don't have to worry bout waiting for that pesky res! Yay problem solved. But you'll lose exp? Oh wait, doesn't the cleric. b:surrender

Also, unless they're in fc at a big room i'm pretty sure a 90+ cleric can't gain back that ~1% in 10--15 mins but I could be wrong on that.


tl;dr version- if you expect them to have one, buy them one yourself

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

I quite often give a res scroll to the cleric.

Of course, I don't ever run with random squads - I can trust the cleric to be nice and any wipes to be actual accidents.

WnbTank - Archosaur

Tearle - Dreamweaver wrote: »

^If you expect every cleric you squad with to have one, you better be willing to pay for one. Not everyone wants to spend the money for it. For new players especially, it can get expensive and if the cleric dies due to a squad mess up, why should they be the one to pay for it in exp and coins?

If you demand they get up RIGHT THEN to save your time then at least be kind enough to help out with the money. After all, you can make the money back quickly no?


also, just carry res scrolls yourself then you don't have to worry bout waiting for that pesky res! Yay problem solved. But you'll lose exp? Oh wait, doesn't the cleric. b:surrender

Also, unless they're in fc at a big room i'm pretty sure a 90+ cleric can't gain back that ~1% in 10--15 mins but I could be wrong on that.


tl;dr version- if you expect them to have one, buy them one yourself

Depending on squads, the limit where you cant xp back in 10-15mins is ~lvl 100. Sure, slower squads may take their time but then again, that`s why clerics marry the fast barbsb:chuckle.

Ps. Sure, it`ll hurt the hypers and it`S still lost xp so meh, still something I dislike my wifey doing =/.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Why would somebody give a shi t if you don`t have time? If you don`t have time don`t do anything, why others must oblige to your needs? And I`m sorry for clerics, they need to release often if the sq is wiped and lose xp, res scroll, guardian scrolls are rather expensive, so like previously mentioned, supply a cleric or other people with them then DEMAND to use them if they die, full stop!

Tearle - Dreamweaver

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Depending on squads, the limit where you cant xp back in 10-15mins is ~lvl 100. Sure, slower squads may take their time but then again, that`s why clerics marry the fast barbsb:chuckle.

Ps. Sure, it`ll hurt the hypers and it`S still lost xp so meh, still something I dislike my wifey doing =/.

b:chuckle Nice to know that it's easy to get it back for them though. [:

SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary

How about every other member of that squad carry res scrolls & GAs, so the cleric doesn't have to res your squishy bum, you sure wasting their time.

Toxie - Dreamweaver

I think clerics should always have res scrolls. You get to choose when to use them, if you die cause your squad is stupid and keeps ignoring you, then don't use it and waste their time if you want to be that way. It never hurts to have them for if you mess up.

Tearle - Dreamweaver

SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

How about every other member of that squad carry res scrolls & GAs, so the cleric doesn't have to res your squishy bum, you sure wasting their time.

+1

The otherday while doing an FC the barb dared me to try to pull the magic hall without armor. Only an idiot would have done it!

I didn't get very far. But I was far enough out that I didnt want the cleric to try to res me just incase. So I used a scroll and ran back (died again) but i was close enough she could res me. Even though she was spamming chat with "LOL!" the entire time b:surrender

I didn't lose much exp from that little escapade and the little I did didn't bother me. After all, I was the one who did it knowing I was gonna die :] My fault and I accepted it.
(also won 120k from the barb because I got farther than he thought)

I wouldn't have lost any exp, but I used up my last guardian angel playing "Let's see who can last the longest when we jump on this World boss" with one of my good friends earlier

People are too concerned with exp if you ask me =D It's all fun and games folks.

Freizer - Lost City

Dem pesky clerics always needing something or other b:surrender


Demanding other players to spend money for you personally to save time, is ...arrogance? in the highest respects. If the squad is doing alright, then the cleric maybe dies (once) and that's not too much of a problem. If for some reason the cleric (and/or the squad ) is sucking it up that day, be nice and drop 50-100k for the cleric.

Personally, if I **** up (and know it's my fault), or if I die in a spot that's difficult to rez, or if the squad wipes in an annoying place. I always rez with the cleric. It saves time (haha) and really is no skin off my nose compared to how many times clerics have to rez.

ZAPATON - Sanctuary

Meh... in 20 days or so, mystics will buff clerics so they can revive in spot if they die without having to use a scroll b:pleased

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

How about every other member of that squad carry res scrolls & GAs, so the cleric doesn't have to res your squishy bum, you sure wasting their time.

+2 if your going to complain about rez scrolls i hope you have rez scrolls to save time rezzing takes to long

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

One rez scrolls have an hour cooldown dont they? Also for them to be effective for the cleric they need GA's... because its still exp loss. ._.

Elviron - Dreamweaver

While I do agree that, in some "specific instances", all squad members carrying a res scroll is good, for the most part its almost useless to anyone other than a cleric/tank most of the times.

If theres a partial squad wipe, I dont see any point in a DD using a res scroll since we cant obviously bring anything valuable for doing it (other than dying a few seconds after ressing wasting a perfectly good scroll). A cleric on the other hand can res the others. A tank can, you know, tank the boss while the squad regroups.

If the cleric alone dies (due to AoE/ random aggro/etc), and releases, its now 5 non-healers tanking the damage using pots/foods/charm/etc while keeping the boss alive long enough for the cleric to get credit as well. Am sure a res scroll is a much cheaper alternative or a 2nd cleric. Pretty sure nobody in squad will re-imburse a player's food/charm/pot usage :P for the same reason they dont re-imburse a cleric's expenses. Its expected out of them. In the case that the squad does manage to kill the boss without the cleric, all that would result is the endless QQ from the cleric's side.

So best solution, if cleric dies and releases, reset the boss or stay dead if you die. Avoids a lot of other problems which you might not have thought about.

As for cleric's suffering the cost of a res scroll, if its your mistake then the best thing u can do is re-imburse it but if its a boss with random aggro its all fair play.

Now if its a dangerous instance and mobs are still lurking, I will release myself and try to escort the cleric back to the squad.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

I carry GAs and Res Scrolls at all times on my cleric. I count it as one of their basic expenses. The only thing I won't do is res someone who demands that I have Demon Res. Since I do have it, I just won't res you if you're a jerk.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Toxie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think clerics should always have res scrolls. You get to choose when to use them, if you die cause your squad is stupid and keeps ignoring you, then don't use it and waste their time if you want to be that way. It never hurts to have them for if you mess up.

Agreed. I don't go anywhere without res scrolls - whether I choose to use them or not is up to me b:chuckle

For the most part though I squad with my guildies - and I do honestly believe in a good squad, it is the cleric's responsibility to have ress scrolls on them all the time.

LeiMai - Raging Tide

I usually carry res scrolls in case of emergency where I don't want the cleric to stop healing the tank/other tank, but I need to be there right away. I think everyone should carry some res scrolls, because sometimes you do need them. You don't have time to release and run back if the cleric is busy.

If clerics want to be paid for the res scrolls they might need, I want to be reimbursed the res scrolls I use and all the pots/crab meat/charm I have to use because they are clueless/lazy/ignoring people. I'm sick of clerics healing no one but the barbarian no matter whats going on. Doesn't matter who is verbally declared the tank to some clerics. It doesn't matter that the barb is sitting at full health the whole time, and clearly doesn't have aggro as he hits the boss's backside. Everyone has expenses, and barbarians and clerics don't necessarily have higher expenses than everyone else. My repair feels are often equal to my barb husband's from a run. I end up using alot of charm/crab meat up because of bad clerics and you don't see me running around QQing about how I want the cleric to pay me back because it's their fault.

That said, I'm always the one to release to run back with the cleric if there is a squad wipe and a chance of something being dangerous on the way back to the squad. I give clerics herbs, I've given away plat MP charms and I've paid squad mate's repair bills.

EVERYONE should carry res scrolls for emergencies. And yeah, it is a problem when you hold up a whole squad for 20 minutes while you meander your way back after you release. Some people are on a time limit to how much time they get in the game. And if you're on for an hour, and you know your BH run takes 45 minutes at most. You have every right to run it. And to be agitated when some releases and slowly wanders their way back.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

I'll happily gift Rez+Guardian Scrolls, plus Mana pots to any Cleric that's helping out. I figure I can afford it, so why not? It's not like they don't earn it.

SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

How about every other member of that squad carry res scrolls & GAs, so the cleric doesn't have to res your squishy bum, you sure wasting their time.

My main cat-shop alt is a Cleric, and I've been casually playing him from time to time.

What I've learned is that 75% of players feel entitled to unlimited free heals, unlimited free buffs, and unlimited free rezzes from any and all Clerics at all times under all circumstances. And if you don't immediately respond to their demands they'll blow a gasket.

I eventually got sick of it, so I started to role-play my Cleric as the shrewd, selfish, money-loving sociopath that his name ("Contrarian") implies.

Now when I'm playing him I get cussed out all the time now for ignoring requests for charity, but hey, if you help him he'll help you, since he's a businessman and it's never personal. b:chuckle

My favorite moment so far was getting chased in the "Very Bored" room by a much higher-level Archer who kept demanding, "buff me!" and threatening to PK me if I didn't. NO! I'd rather DIE than give out free buffs! b:angry

I figure if people don't like it, then switch to PK mode and back your talk up with actions. He's been permanently in PK mode since level 30 and is level 66 now, but so far nobody has had the guts to actually PK him.

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver

As the OP on this, i can clearly state that i have a high lvl cleric myself. That being said, i ALWAYS carry rezz scrolls just to minimize the downtime in an instance.

There is nothing more annoying being in an instance, by example, like a BH69, where the tank (at a certain lvl) can't stay alive on Pole without purify for to long , when the cleric dies and it simply means several peeps dying (tank first) or simply a squad wipe, which could have been avoided IF the cleric just uses a scroll and continues healing/purifying the tank & sq.

I completely makes sense to me for a cleric to carry a rez scroll just in case something goes wrong. I've never seen a barb ask me to pay for their repair bills, so why would i ask them for a rezz scroll ?

Even on all my DD toons i carry at least one just to avoid wasting other players time or even the clerics time to rezz me when he/she at that moment can't. (in BB f.i.)

And be serious, if you can't afford the 50k that a rezz scroll costs at a higher lvl, what the hell are you doing in this game anyway ? Probably spend your cash on teles shouting for a rezz ?

As for the "free buffs" , i ALWAYS give out free buffs when someone pollitely asks for it, and even when not asked like in the Cube of Fate.

In my opinion, acting aggressive or without manners like others do, just brings you down to their level. I'm not that far gone yet.

Finrah - Sanctuary

I buy rez scrolls on my cleric and not ONLY my cleric but every character I have.

I buy for my cleric for the obvious reasons; so that I can rez whenever I want to. However, I won't use that option abusively, because it IS 50k and it IS 1 hour cooldown. I only use it when it is VERY needed.

As for other characters; so that if the cleric can't get to me and I need to be up, then I can help myself instead of endangering the rest of the squad or the cleric.

At the end it all depends on how you treat others, your way of thinking and the way you deal with problems. If you don't have coin in the first place then there's no ground to even think that.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

I'd rather go to town and make the squad wait a few minutes if I die from a mob, than die during a boss and not be able to use my rez scroll because the cooldown is still active from before.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

You couldn't know this, but at later levels 5% can be well over 2 million exp, which takes way more time than the cleric running back...

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

Waiting 15 minutes is a pain. But 50k a pop (which adds up) is a pain to grind to in a game where nothing is free and any amount of coin either has to come from instances or be merchanted. If I want the privilege of an instant cleric revival in the event of a wipe, then I'd pay for it and give the cleric a scroll at the start of the instance.

I'll admit my job as a BM is pretty cheap. Repairs are usually paid by whatever junk drops and I rarely need any pots/charms or special items. Wheras a cleric seems to need to rip through MP charm/pots and is expected to carry rez scrolls too and GA's if they care about exp, and usually at no extra benefit. Seems a bit of a poor deal. So personally I can kinda see where clerics are coming from if they don't carry a scroll.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Toxie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think clerics should always have res scrolls. You get to choose when to use them, if you die cause your squad is stupid and keeps ignoring you, then don't use it and waste their time if you want to be that way. It never hurts to have them for if you mess up.

I refuse to play 50k for them though.

ugysekell

Play your class well, don't let me die, so you don't have to wait for me. I'm a Cleric but 99.9% of the time I die because other people suck. Example: I start to BB, Barb forgets to AoE aggro, mobs r@pe me to death. Or killing the boss in FCC exp room, BM does AoE and boom - squishies die. And so on... It's all your fault Clerics die, why should I buy a rez scroll?! Go buy me some if you're a fail player or play your class well. I never die in pro squads. b:bye

Edit: Oh, and I already spent 20mil on Demon rez just to rez YOUR butt, now get me some rez scrolls because I ran out of money, LOL.

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As the OP on this, i can clearly state that i have a high lvl cleric myself. That being said, i ALWAYS carry rezz scrolls just to minimize the downtime in an instance.

Your personal preference is not everyone's personal preference... pretty much what people have already posted.

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There is nothing more annoying to me being in an instance, by example, like a BH69, where the tank (at a certain lvl) can't stay alive on Pole without purify for to long , when the cleric dies and it simply means several peeps dying (tank first) or simply a squad wipe, which could have been avoided IF the cleric just uses a scroll and continues healing/purifying the tank & sq.

I also have leveled a barb up to L95... if your barb has aggro and can't run Pole around the pool in the middle 'til the cleric comes back then you fail as a barb. Learn the tactics to stay alive instead of blaming the cleric for not playing the way that you would have played a cleric.

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I completely makes sense to me for a cleric to carry a rez scroll just in case something goes wrong. I've never seen a barb ask me to pay for their repair bills, so why would i ask them for a rezz scroll?

Even on all my DD toons i carry at least one just to avoid wasting other players time or even the clerics time to rezz me when he/she at that moment can't. (in BB f.i.)

And be serious, if you can't afford the 50k that a rezz scroll costs at a higher lvl, what the hell are you doing in this game anyway ? Probably spend your cash on teles shouting for a rezz ?

50k is nothing to me... it may not be to a free-to-play player. If your issue is that you only want to play with wealthy players, that's on you to figure out when you join a squad. You ask to see a linked rez-scroll and simply leave when you don't get shown one. But ffs don't whine and cry about it after the fact.

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As for the "free buffs" , i ALWAYS give out free buffs when someone pollitely asks for it, and even when not asked like in the Cube of Fate.

In my opinion, acting aggressive or without manners like others do, just brings you down to their level. I'm not that far gone yet.

Your opening post is pretty aggressive (buy rez scrolls as a cleric or you fail) so I guess that brings you down pretty low. I certainly wouldn't squad with you if I knew your attitude in advance. I have rez scrolls aplenty, but your demanding attitude is indicative of the kind of player I don't enjoy playing the game with--instead of whining about what others should do, change how you play so you don't encounter the things you don't like (e.g., ask for links to rez scrolls if that's what makes you happy).

Nella - Sanctuary

ugysekell wrote: »

Play your class well, don't let me die, so you don't have to wait for me. I'm a Cleric but 99.9% of the time I die because other people suck. Example: I start to BB, Barb forgets to AoE aggro, mobs r@pe me to death. Or killing the boss in FCC exp room, BM does AoE and boom - squishies die. And so on... It's all your fault Clerics die, why should I buy a rez scroll?! Go buy me some if you're a fail player or play your class well. I never die in pro squads. b:bye

Edit: Oh, and I already spent 20mil on Demon rez just to rez YOUR butt, now get me some rez scrolls because I ran out of money, LOL.

QFT b:chuckle

Zorsha - Harshlands

Toxie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think clerics should always have res scrolls. You get to choose when to use them, if you die cause your squad is stupid and keeps ignoring you, then don't use it and waste their time if you want to be that way. It never hurts to have them for if you mess up.

+1

If the squad is just lame I'll leave em there and find another squad. If it was an honest mistake or my mistake I'll use a rez scroll and consider it just part of my job.

Chimer - Lost City

As a cleric I always keep res scrolls with me. I don't die often, but when I do it's usually at a bad time. Being able to res myself on the spot means I can prevent additional deaths and/or lots of charm ticks. Plus, most of my deaths are due to carelessness or bad judgment on my part. I'd rather not cause others to suffer from my own mistakes.