How to be wanted in squads again

TigerLily - Lost City

Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »

Wizards and barbs are only good in TWs now, and other classes anyway are very good in TWs too, just they got a different role.

While in pve and random pvp wizards and barbs dont have a role anymore, they're totally useless.

You see the point? Of course different classes have different roles, but these 2 classes lost their roles and their utility.

While of course maybe aps cant aoe so nicely, but they're good, extremely, incredibly good, with EVERYTHING else.

Wizards where always useless in pve. They where useless in pve 4-5 years ago to. Cant say they lost their role when they never had one to begin with. You think people went HH on wizards 2008 lol...They where last choice for anything back than to.

When you make a wizard you already know what you're getting yourself into, unless you're a total newb that refuses to do any research before starting a new MMO. Its a class you create for pvp, thats it and everyone knows it.

Barbs on the other hand are still good in pve and very useful. Dont think ive been in a single Nirvana/BH100 squad in months without a barb in party. They dont tank as much as they use to, but they still do stuff like grab bosses, Roar mobs, pull mobs, take over boss if tank dies, buffs everyone, devours boss, move bosses etc

They have lost their role as main tank tho, i agree with that of course. But many barbs dont give a **** since tanking can be pretty costly.

Dont know what u mean when you say barbs/wizards lost their role in random pvp...lol Barbs are freaking monsters in pvp endgame and same for wizards <_<

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Wizards where always useless in pve. They where useless in pve 4-5 years ago to. Cant say they lost their role when they never had one to begin with. You think people went HH on wizards 2008 lol...They where last choice for anything back than to.

When you make a wizard you already know what you're getting yourself into, unless you're a total newb that refuses to do any research before starting a new MMO. Its a class you create for pvp, thats it and everyone knows it.

Barbs on the other hand are still good in pve and very useful. Dont think ive been in a single Nirvana/BH100 squad in months without a barb in party. They dont tank as much as they use to, but they still do stuff like grab bosses, Roar mobs, pull mobs, take over boss if tank dies, buffs everyone, devours boss, move bosses etc

They have lost their role as main tank tho, i agree with that of course. But many barbs dont give a **** since tanking can be pretty costly.

Dont know what u mean when you say barbs/wizards lost their role in random pvp...lol Barbs are freaking monsters in pvp endgame and same for wizards <_<

QFT.

No one took mages to TT even before 5aps, before packs made 5.0 aps possible the main damage dealers were archers.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

this guide idea is stolen! (aaand dont they plan to destroy tt99 bonuses-setup ?)
this idea is lurking wizard forums for almost a year now !

despite the fact that it works perfectly well,
they play the fail class less and less
abandon them in the end to completely focus on the BM

on the other hand i see 5.0 chars who just completed +10ing most parts of their armor rolling wizard alts for TW/PK only


so.. we have a skilled caster leave the TW field forever
as well as a well-geared power lvled wizard/psy (who doesnt even know what his char-skills do) entering




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whats the point with venos?
they didnt change

ONE veno is just as useful as a 5.0 in a 6 person squad

eyehaveyou

well OP is no solution at all, and if u want to use that as a solution, ill give u another 1..

just roll a cleric, they r still wanted in most parties.+ u dont need as much money to be wanted as u would need as a 5 aps char.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

QFT.

No one took mages to TT even before 5aps, before packs made 5.0 aps possible the main damage dealers were archers.

ikr, same for ranged archers, axe bms, vit barbs (idk with who is TigerLily running vanas, but i met just 2 vit barbs there) well and even clerics

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Guide:

Step 1 : Get a Cleric, Non-aps Barb, Non-aps Archer and 3 Mag classes

Step 2 : Make your own squads

Makes me wonder how anyone ever got anything done in this game before 5aps char's . To many people want baby sitting.

But

Then again this has never been about not being able to get squads. It's always been about " X class can farm fast so QQ I want to as well and if I can't then *stamps feet* Nerf them "

Hey I want to be able to hit as hard as a r9 Wiz but it isn't going happen. Each class has it's up and downs so deal with them.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

however, there is lil flaw in your guide: it sucks time and money wise


(why ya peepz defend lost cause idk)

ElderSig - Dreamweaver

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then again this has never been about not being able to get squads. It's always been about " X class can farm fast so QQ I want to as well and if I can't then *stamps feet* Nerf them "

Actually you're looking at it wrong, it's not that "x class can do this better it's not fair"

It's that aps has cause the game to become "x class can out-DD natural DD classes, tank, and in some instances go without a cleric therefore nullifying 3+ other classes being used at all in PvE"

THAT is the problem of aps.

Yeah, every idiot knows wizards weren't chosen for TT runs first. Our DPS sucks, but the gap between a wizard's DD and the normal DD (say, an archer) wasn't so HUGE that you wouldn't even consider taking a wiz if no archers answered your World Chat.

Then again, our problem doesn't lie in the classes, they lie in the -interval gear.

I mean really, people keep saying that wizards want everything, but isn't that what 5 aps bms want? You want to be able to deal the most damage PvE, you want to be able to tank, and you want to be able to do it without a cleric (bloodpaint). Wow that sounds pretty greedy too.

P.S. Guide's worthless. As Thanos sig says, making a 5 aps farming alt is no different than cash shopping.

Vorhs - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Wizards where always useless in pve. They where useless in pve 4-5 years ago to. Cant say they lost their role when they never had one to begin with. You think people went HH on wizards 2008 lol...They where last choice for anything back than to.

When you make a wizard you already know what you're getting yourself into, unless you're a total newb that refuses to do any research before starting a new MMO. Its a class you create for pvp, thats it and everyone knows it.

Barbs on the other hand are still good in pve and very useful. Dont think ive been in a single Nirvana/BH100 squad in months without a barb in party. They dont tank as much as they use to, but they still do stuff like grab bosses, Roar mobs, pull mobs, take over boss if tank dies, buffs everyone, devours boss, move bosses etc

They have lost their role as main tank tho, i agree with that of course. But many barbs dont give a **** since tanking can be pretty costly.

Dont know what u mean when you say barbs/wizards lost their role in random pvp...lol Barbs are freaking monsters in pvp endgame and same for wizards <_<

Wizards never been monsters in pve, you're right, but at least they were the only to do constant magic aoe (now seekers will too) and anyway our dps was just a little lower than other dds dps... as the difference was not so great squads used to accept wizards in parties anyway.

Now aps got around 4x the dps i have... its like having 4 wizards in party.

A 5 aps party is equal to 20 wizards party. Can you realize what huge difference is this?

And i dont really care about endgame pvp. of course in endgame barbs and wizards are just as powerful as the others. but who is in endgame gear? cash shoppers and ppl who got an aps alt and no real life so they farm all day long.

an average player cant play wizards or barbs and pretend to have fun playing anymore

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »

And i dont really care about endgame pvp. of course in endgame barbs and wizards are just as powerful as the others. but who is in endgame gear? cash shoppers and ppl who got an aps alt and no real life so they farm all day long.

But say for example aps were removed to the good ole days wouldn't that increase the imbalance between those that cashshop and those that don't ? At least atm those that don't CS can make an alt and farm gear for their mains ( I know a few Wizzies who used alts to get their R8 etc ) which some what closes the gap between CS'ers and non-Cs'ers.
Granted there is still a gap but it would be much greater Imo if people couldn't roll a aps farming class.

Vorhs - Lost City

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But say for example aps were removed to the good ole days wouldn't that increase the imbalance between those that cashshop and those that don't ? At least atm those that don't CS can make an alt and farm gear for their mains ( I know a few Wizzies who used alts to get their R8 etc ) which some what closes the gap between CS'ers and non-Cs'ers.
Granted there is still a gap but it would be much greater Imo if people couldn't roll a aps farming class.

So you're encouraging heavy nerding?

At least once the cash shoppers with endgame gear were around 50-100 ppl and all i had to do to have fun was to skip them in pvp.

Now 70% of nerds here got their same gear and i cant play anymore unless i nerd as much as they nerds.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Even if aps was removed, I don't think ppl would take the average wizzy for farming still.

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »

So you're encouraging heavy nerding?

Isn't that what 99% of MMO's are though ? Those that play the greater time reap the greater benefits ? ( excluding Csing ofc ).

Vorhs - Lost City

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isn't that what 99% of MMO's are though ? Those that play the greater time reap the greater benefits ? ( excluding Csing ofc ).

Yea and it sucks. I started playing here cause pwi wasnt like that, as all the other mmorpgs were.

PWI used to have a big difference between normal players and a 5% of players who used to cash shop. Thats all.

Now unless you nerd like hell or you cash shop you cant go out of safe zone.

EDIT:

ONCE pwi was like that only because you had to nerd an INSANE amount of days of play to have endgame gear. So insane that nobody with a brain ever menaged to try to get it.

NOW instead they reduced the nerding required enough to make it affordable by all average supernerds that overflood the internet... leaving no more space for casual players.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver

I'm not exactly sure where Vorhs' is going with this....

All I was saying is that the farming gap is a little too large between magic and aps.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rank 9 is insane and shouldn't have been introduced into PvP >.>

Then again Rank 9 is much more costly than 5 aps. So bad comparison.

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

time is perfectly fine with a "rainbow" squad. I do not have any trouble finding squads for this stuff so here is my suggestion :

Join a faction that actually does things.... as going in random world chat squads usually = oracle noobs or people with anger issues that can't play anyway. So I ask why would you want to roll a 5 APS character just to impress people you don't like?

As far as APS and PvP... if the person hits you with a +12 weapon yes you can expect to die... usually the people complaining about this aspect have +5 or so and unbalanced defense... example casters with the archangel's belt or neck and just Sign of Antiquity Chaos for physical defense.

Now if even gear and you're complaining it is not understandable because you have a even chance to kill said person.

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

I would just like to point out... if you go back and read all 5 pages... its once again wizards going QQ

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

You can't have everything.


Some classes will be better at some aspects of the game than other classes, that is the point of classes.


If it's not the solution that you accept then I'm afraid there is no solution.

Wow, dumb or what? Normally you make posts I agree with and respect but this time you're going beyond the "dumb-****" territory right into troll zone. Whatever drugs you took when you wrote this post, I suggest you leave them alone.

People, even wizards, used to be able to get into the majority of squads. Asking for balance so that people, even wizards, can get back into squads the way they used to is not asking for very much and is certainly not asking for everything.

Now enough of you "DURR I'M A 5APS SLAVE" posts, if you please, some of us have actual discussions about how **** this game has become in terms of finding proper squads free of you sorts of people.

Also, if you're writing a guide, please do it the right way. You should be rolling a 5aps Assassin, not BM, ****-for-brains.

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

>> 5aps BM is cheaper then a 5aps sin though aint it?

Okeano - Harshlands

Earth to dumb people, you can't "remove APS". APS + attacks per second. My Cleric has 1.25 APS ZOMG!

tl;dr for the guide: spend months and hundreds of mil of in-game coins so you can... be wanted in squads to farm a few mil. *thumbs up*

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow, dumb or what? Normally you make posts I agree with and respect but this time you're going beyond the "dumb-****" territory right into troll zone. Whatever drugs you took when you wrote this post, I suggest you leave them alone.

People, even wizards, used to be able to get into the majority of squads. Asking for balance so that people, even wizards, can get back into squads the way they used to is not asking for very much and is certainly not asking for everything.

Now enough of you "DURR I'M A 5APS SLAVE" posts, if you please, some of us have actual discussions about how **** this game has become in terms of finding proper squads free of you sorts of people.

Also, if you're writing a guide, please do it the right way. You should be rolling a 5aps Assassin, not BM, ****-for-brains.

Rage much? Anyway he is right, 5aps is the way things are right now, either embrace it, or suck on a lollipop while crying some moreb:bye.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

_Nuriko_ - Lost City wrote: »

>> 5aps BM is cheaper then a 5aps sin though aint it?

5APS Sin is more wanted than 5APS BM given the fact they have Bloodpaint in the first place. Also, while more expensive, they can generally solo instances faster with Stealth, meaning you're liable to level far faster than a BM and you always have instant access to Bloodpaint, too.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Rage much? Anyway he is right, 5aps is the way things are right now, either embrace it, or suck on a lollipop while crying some moreb:bye.

I never said he was wrong. l2r much? 5APS is the new class of PWI that every sheep and his mother wants to be, partly because every other 5APS sheep won't squad with anybody who isn't a 5APS sheep because "OHNOES IT'S SO SLOW I'M NOT WINNING THE GAME FAST ENOUGH"

I also don't play any more given how **** this game generally is. Also, if you knew me, you'd know that wasn't raging. Now then, kindly GTFO nublet. Go level some more.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

5APS Sin is more wanted than 5APS BM given the fact they have Bloodpaint in the first place. Also, while more expensive, they can generally solo instances faster with Stealth, meaning you're liable to level far faster than a BM and you always have instant access to Bloodpaint, too.



I never said he was wrong. l2r much? 5APS is the new class of PWI that every sheep and his mother wants to be, partly because every other 5APS sheep won't squad with anybody who isn't a 5APS sheep because "OHNOES IT'S SO SLOW I'M NOT WINNING THE GAME FAST ENOUGH"

I also don't play any more given how **** this game generally is. Also, if you knew me, you'd know that wasn't raging. Now then, kindly GTFO nublet. Go level some more.

Sounds like QQ rage to me . "Omg I r not good enough to get 5.0 like all the other ppl", and why would I bother leveling o_O? it is more fun watching people make stupid post such as yoursb:bye.

EDIT: Oh yah and this:"Wow, dumb or what? Normally you make posts I agree with and respect but this time you're going beyond the "dumb-****" territory right into troll zone. Whatever drugs you took when you wrote this post, I suggest you leave them alone." Does that not mean your saying he is wrong????

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow, dumb or what? Normally you make posts I agree with and respect but this time you're going beyond the "dumb-****" territory right into troll zone. Whatever drugs you took when you wrote this post, I suggest you leave them alone.

People, even wizards, used to be able to get into the majority of squads. Asking for balance so that people, even wizards, can get back into squads the way they used to is not asking for very much and is certainly not asking for everything.

Now enough of you "DURR I'M A 5APS SLAVE" posts, if you please, some of us have actual discussions about how **** this game has become in terms of finding proper squads free of you sorts of people.

Also, if you're writing a guide, please do it the right way. You should be rolling a 5aps Assassin, not BM, ****-for-brains.

Shut up, did you even play before packs?

Mages weren't taken to TT unless if it was a guild helping the mage farm gears.

The main DDers before packs gave us 5.0 aps was archers and venos with hercs. And it would be even worse now. Compare the DPS between a +10 rank 8 mage and a +10 rank 8 archer and you would find that the archer doesn't even come close.

>> 5aps BM is cheaper then a 5aps sin though aint it?

Yes it is. If you're gonna roll a 5aps sin then more than likely you're going to have to save up an additional 80mil or so, AND wait for another rep sale. Or if you don't feel like waiting either buy a -interval tome which will run you 150mil+ or buy it at normal prices which is like, what, 600mil? In addition you don't get a weapon with -0.10 for ~50mil like a BM does (lunar claws) instead you need to get G13 nirvana daggers, which need 100 raptures and since if no one was already taking you to nirvana then you have no way to farm them, you need to buy em, so you'll need ~150mil depending on your server's prices.

tweakz

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Shut up, did you even play before packs?

Mages weren't taken to TT unless if it was a guild helping the mage farm gears.

Never had a problem getting in squads as a wiz or veno, and most of my wiz time has been spent guildless.

Yes it is. If you're gonna roll a 5aps sin then more than likely you're going to have to save up an additional 80mil or so, AND wait for another rep sale. Or if you don't feel like waiting either buy a -interval tome which will run you 150mil+

Love up and Down isn't the only one. There are some that run ~60-80m

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Shut up, did you even play before packs?

Mages weren't taken to TT unless if it was a guild helping the mage farm gears.

The main DDers before packs gave us 5.0 aps was archers and venos with hercs. And it would be even worse now. Compare the DPS between a +10 rank 8 mage and a +10 rank 8 archer and you would find that the archer doesn't even come close.



Yes it is. If you're gonna roll a 5aps sin then more than likely you're going to have to save up an additional 80mil or so, AND wait for another rep sale. Or if you don't feel like waiting either buy a -interval tome which will run you 150mil+ or buy it at normal prices which is like, what, 600mil? In addition you don't get a weapon with -0.10 for ~50mil like a BM does (lunar claws) instead you need to get G13 nirvana daggers, which need 100 raptures and since if no one was already taking you to nirvana then you have no way to farm them, you need to buy em, so you'll need ~150mil depending on your server's prices.

5.0 assassins are not more expensive than BMs. They can use 5.0 claws with a similar dps to BMs at a cheaper cost. In addition to this typical 5.0 setup they have exclusive access to a higher dps 5.0 dagger build that is much better. To say sins are more expensive because of exclusive access to better gear while they are also capable of using everyone else's gear is disingenuous.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Love up and Down isn't the only one. There are some that run ~60-80m

The one I was talking about wasn't love up and down. Pan Gu Creator will run you about 150mil+ on RT, Love will run you about 250 mil.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

tweakz wrote: »

Love up and Down isn't the only one. There are some that run ~60-80m

you need 3 of those 60-80 to make pan gu, creator that has -int.

3x 60-80 = 180-240

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Rolling a 5 aps char and being wanted in squads again is the same thing.

not fer everyone, some people have such a strong dislike for 5.0 aps chars that they jst won't party with them, all be it they're few and far between. i can just imagine a war between the 5.0 aps people and anti-5.0 magic users. i would youtube that ****. not likely to happen, but wouldn't it just be fun ta watch? xD

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Shut up, did you even play before packs?

Mages weren't taken to TT unless if it was a guild helping the mage farm gears.

The main DDers before packs gave us 5.0 aps was archers and venos with hercs. And it would be even worse now. Compare the DPS between a +10 rank 8 mage and a +10 rank 8 archer and you would find that the archer doesn't even come close.

Certainly did, thank you very much, and while wizards were not the most popular DDs they stood a good chance of getting into a squad if there was a spare spot. Perhaps you should shut up yourself, sir, because your guide is generally full of **** and the title is misleading? It's not a guide to be wanted in squads again, it's a guide on "How to be a Sheep, and be like all the other 5aps Sheep, and then be a snob because you'll have the same standards they do, and then cry when you reach endgame and all that's left to do is the same instance over... and over... and over... and over again."

Wizards can barely get squads now at all, period. Before this 5aps craze, they stood at least a decent chance of snagging the last spot if the squad already had it's healer, tank and a couple of DDs. They stood even more of a chance of getting in if there were any mobs and bosses that they could tank. GTFO with your assumptions I didn't play before packs, because there's every possible chance I might have been playing longer than you. Poor poor 5aps sheep has to rely on assumptions just because I said wizards used to be able to get squads at a decent rate?

Makes me wonder if you ever played before packs. ;D