A few more months and even healers might be obsolete.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Hmm

Clerics going obsolete ?? NO !!

This is gonna sound like a rage, well yeah i think it will be after all.

Not every one is this game put 1000$ + to be "elite" with R9, 5 aps and stuff.

Not every one in game like to "rush" things. Let's do Nirvana in 5 mins, then a few bh in maybe 5-10 as well, why not go into a nerf FC at lvl 1 and do 1 -35 in it , then oracle to 100 (saw that on WC lately) then spend 10-15 teles whining "OMG IM BORED"

Not every one has the means to buy a hp charm each 2-3 days, or put money in for one.

I ditched my lvl 95 BM, cause as much as I helped people while getting to this level, now I don't have help. I also get frowned upon "OMG u dont have decides or gorenox or 4 aps, what a loser" Same with my lvl 99 wife. APS made things ridicoulus. WE both did all our quests (yeah even the infamous 50 hay one), we both EARNED our rep helping in fb's and getting darkness stamps. And now I don't get called anymore and she gets pm'ed 100 times a day on that toon just for "oh something went wrong could i get a rez ?"

Ya , not everyone has no life and plays the game to enjoy it. To some, just the idea of beeing immobile and chit-chat 2 mins is a big loss of money.

I just hate those who say "I put 1000$ + in game and play 2 hours a day, i deserve respect" yah ok maybe u do. But those who barely spent and work their asses off 14 hours a day online to help and level with quests and grind rest also deserve respect.

I raised a barb cause they were lacking, now ur telling me , barbs are gonna be obsolete ?

I went to a bh59 today with my barb lvl 77 and had a sin lvl 79 in squad. I NEVER had trouble keeping agro even with a lvl 85+ in squad. That guy did everything possible to steal agro "ok, u HF, u mire, u use extreme poison on genie, i double spark, let's end this quick" well u know what , he died. And I laughed. On next boss he tried that and stole and went to 1/2 hp, I was almost tempted to not even try to get agro back and let him die again. But i didn't , cause i felt guilty.

Oh wait, u are talking about end game. Well, end game, the game changes name to Sin World, as easy as that. Better tell everyone that joins the game "Look, start any class u want, anyway passed 90, u can just delete it, sins will replace you" Or better yet tell them when they ask if game is good "Yeah if ur a sin, and get 4-5 aps, else no"

Cash shoppers do make the game run by their "generous donations" and then go "Look I overloaded my credit card but i have a R9 wep that is + 12, omg now all dies so fast, im soo bored"

Some enjoy beeing OP and dropping bosses in 10 seconds, good for them.

I'm still in the rare kinds that actually like a challenge with decent gear and seeing what I can/can't tank.

Clerics not useful ? Just get a small server lag spike during nirvana and get squad wiped, then u'll wish u had one and took 5 mins more for the run.

Barbs not useful ? Maybe end-game, dunno I didnt pass 95 yet. But before that it is just funny to see a sin steal agrro by "show-offing" and dropping in 2-3 hits while to me 2-3 hits shaves maybe 1k hp off my near 12k now. Ok im done.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Wait, you're almost 95, and only have 12k hp?

Did you go for a PDef build, or is that unbuffed in human form? b:shocked

Or am I just spoiled by squadding with Bogumors, and his fantastic 43k hp?

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

Since tanking is now doable by more & more ppl with all the dirt-cheap orb sales & incredibly OP gears such as r9,I wonder how much longer till clerics will be obsolete in most end-game squads save for buffs,just like barbs. I know there are already plenty of squads of such players that run instances clericless in just a few mins although atm,the majority of the squads require one.

But due to the increasing number of OP gears and the extreme ease that they do end-game instances I wonder if eventually clerics are going to become as rare as barbs as well. I'd give it like another year at best,what about you guys?


Share your thoughts & opinions about this and keep the flaming to a minimum pls,thx.b:thanks

From memory you're gear wasn't really OPed... it was pretty 'average'

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmm

Clerics going obsolete ?? NO !!

This is gonna sound like a rage, well yeah i think it will be after all.

Not every one is this game put 1000$ + to be "elite" with R9, 5 aps and stuff.

Not every one in game like to "rush" things. Let's do Nirvana in 5 mins, then a few bh in maybe 5-10 as well, why not go into a nerf FC at lvl 1 and do 1 -35 in it , then oracle to 100 (saw that on WC lately) then spend 10-15 teles whining "OMG IM BORED"

Not every one has the means to buy a hp charm each 2-3 days, or put money in for one.

I ditched my lvl 95 BM, cause as much as I helped people while getting to this level, now I don't have help. I also get frowned upon "OMG u dont have decides or gorenox or 4 aps, what a loser" Same with my lvl 99 wife. APS made things ridicoulus. WE both did all our quests (yeah even the infamous 50 hay one), we both EARNED our rep helping in fb's and getting darkness stamps. And now I don't get called anymore and she gets pm'ed 100 times a day on that toon just for "oh something went wrong could i get a rez ?"

Ya , not everyone has no life and plays the game to enjoy it. To some, just the idea of beeing immobile and chit-chat 2 mins is a big loss of money.

I just hate those who say "I put 1000$ + in game and play 2 hours a day, i deserve respect" yah ok maybe u do. But those who barely spent and work their asses off 14 hours a day online to help and level with quests and grind rest also deserve respect.

I raised a barb cause they were lacking, now ur telling me , barbs are gonna be obsolete ?

I went to a bh59 today with my barb lvl 77 and had a sin lvl 79 in squad. I NEVER had trouble keeping agro even with a lvl 85+ in squad. That guy did everything possible to steal agro "ok, u HF, u mire, u use extreme poison on genie, i double spark, let's end this quick" well u know what , he died. And I laughed. On next boss he tried that and stole and went to 1/2 hp, I was almost tempted to not even try to get agro back and let him die again. But i didn't , cause i felt guilty.

Oh wait, u are talking about end game. Well, end game, the game changes name to Sin World, as easy as that. Better tell everyone that joins the game "Look, start any class u want, anyway passed 90, u can just delete it, sins will replace you" Or better yet tell them when they ask if game is good "Yeah if ur a sin, and get 4-5 aps, else no"

Cash shoppers do make the game run by their "generous donations" and then go "Look I overloaded my credit card but i have a R9 wep that is + 12, omg now all dies so fast, im soo bored"

Some enjoy beeing OP and dropping bosses in 10 seconds, good for them.

I'm still in the rare kinds that actually like a challenge with decent gear and seeing what I can/can't tank.

Clerics not useful ? Just get a small server lag spike during nirvana and get squad wiped, then u'll wish u had one and took 5 mins more for the run.

Barbs not useful ? Maybe end-game, dunno I didnt pass 95 yet. But before that it is just funny to see a sin steal agrro by "show-offing" and dropping in 2-3 hits while to me 2-3 hits shaves maybe 1k hp off my near 12k now. Ok im done.

/13char BEST STORY EVER b:laugh


That a side I remember another PW Variation where it cost a LOT to get reputation and it took TIME to get reputation not buying reputation off the bat. Where you had to EARN everything, You had to dungeon EVERYTHING. But I guess Beijing is seeing the LIGHT in that department.

Afterall money talks and its easier to charge people in the Chinese version and milk the US Dollar for what 'value' it has left, which isn't much at the rate we're going.

anwynd

LilPinkBunny - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is constantly new people joining the game

hmm rlly becus every time i go to a starter zone on certian servers each one is a waste land with maby 1 or 2 people in itb:chuckleb:avoid

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

anwynd wrote: »

hmm rlly becus every time i go to a starter zone on certian servers each one is a waste land with maby 1 or 2 people in itb:chuckleb:avoid

There is another 'server' like that in MALAYSIA as well, the best most EPIC win of the thing was that it was (ironically) called Utopia, Man I never laughed so hard at that one for all its troll PVP **** worth.

anwynd

Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »

There is another 'server' like that in MALAYSIA as well, the best most EPIC win of the thing was that it was (ironically) called Utopia, Man I never laughed so hard at that one for all its troll PVP **** worth.

lmao now tht is rlly funnyb:laugh

Larkray - Dreamweaver

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wait, you're almost 95, and only have 12k hp?

Did you go for a PDef build, or is that unbuffed in human form? b:shocked

Or am I just spoiled by squadding with Bogumors, and his fantastic 43k hp?

Take a close re-read :P He said he had a 95 bm but it's now retired for his barb which i believe was stated at lvl 77 and that was the one with 12k+hp, which, $0 in is decent for a barb that level.

And 43k?.... Wtf Did he put ALL of his stat points into vit? x.x +12 Vitstone gear just enough strength for nirvy armor x.x Super Squishy Hp Ball of Fur and Fluff... ^_^;;

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

Crypsis - Lost City wrote: »

Just b/c people can tank or run an instance without cleric doesn't mean they want to

If i go Nirvana with a full 4/5 APS squad for example i have to put on a hp charm, and it will be gone pretty fast btw. The few minutes you gain from adding 1 extra DD instead of cleric just isn't worth it if you're the one tanking. No cleric also means you have to use loads of Crab Meats and genie energy. I end up loosing money if i do instances cleric-less. The extra minutes you gain aint worth **** if half the profit goes into getting more perfect stones, crab meats or getting a 3-4 mil charm. I have +8+10 refines to <.<

Pretty sure most people feel the same, even those with OP gears. Really only the DDs that wont be tanking, who benefits from skipping cleric.

So no i dont think clerics will be obsolete because people generally dont like to **** away coins to save a few minutes, even if they have full +10 rank9 gear lol.

You underestimate the desire for ppl to feel "pro" and " OP" in PWI. As long as you give them the opportunity,they'll take it & abuse it even if it's not every1 but the number is ever increasing.

I could just compare this to heavy CS'ing. While being PWI's income it normally should be there to help ppl who have jobs/college and can't play as much as some,thus they charge from time to time in order to stay competitive. But alas,tons of ppl abuse it and charge insane amounts of $ even if they got lots of time to play just so they can be the "top dogs" of a server.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Several people that I know can tank nirvana clericless and not tick, I can do it with very few ticks.....

The_Boss - Raging Tide

Bloodpaint is pretty OP.

A possible solution would to only let it proc once each second.

I think they should make it all class, just weird how they excluded venos and archers. Venos have melee mastery for a reason don't they?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

bit strong word: 'obsolete'

but it sure would be frustrating to see (in some time) that most people who i ran nirvana with, wont need me anymore...


inb4 but you can run with those nonexistent 'vit barb + 5 casters' squads D=

no, im not mad enough to do 40min run for 1/2 canny b:surrender


there is still tt tho. so i could say that i dont care, but thats for minority...


always bothered me how carelessy pw kill teamplay aspect of this game

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

bit strong word: 'obsolete'

but it sure would be frustrating to see (in some time) that most people who i ran nirvana with, wont need me anymore...


inb4 but you can run with those nonexistent 'vit barb + 5 casters' squads D=

no, im not mad enough to do 40min run for 1/2 canny b:surrender


there is still tt tho. so i could say that i dont care, but thats for minority...


always bothered me how pw carelessy kill teamplay aspect of this game

I guess it was a bit too much to say that so "less used" might be the better word for it.


And the more OP ppl get the worst teamplay becomes because it simply isn't needed. It doesn't matter how strong a boss is or what attacks/debuffs/etc it uses if it's dead in 30s.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wait, you're almost 95, and only have 12k hp?

Did you go for a PDef build, or is that unbuffed in human form? b:shocked

Or am I just spoiled by squadding with Bogumors, and his fantastic 43k hp?

Maybe I mis-explained myself or u mis-understood.

My BARB lvl 77 has 11 768 hp

See avatar ? Thats a bm...

vristion

I can say that I am greatful that all the OPed gear folks do run to these forums and yell "hey look what I can do!" and give nice detail as to how easily, they can beat endgame content.... Eventually it gets back to china..takes time it seems but it does. One day the rug will be pulled out from under people's feet. Instances will be insanly hard with out the class roles re-established. But then again, lvl 17 gear will be released too...b:laugh

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

vristion wrote: »

I can say that I am greatful that all the OPed gear folks do run to these forums and yell "hey look what I can do!" and give nice detail as to how easily, they can beat endgame content.... Eventually it gets back to china..takes time it seems but it does. One day the rug will be pulled out from under people's feet. Instances will be insanly hard with out the class roles re-established. But then again, lvl 17 gear will be released too...b:laugh

If they make it hard for people with 5.0 aps and high refines then it will be impossible for everyone else......

vristion

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

If they make it hard for people with 5.0 aps and high refines then it will be impossible for everyone else......

Making content harder as in bosses just simply hitting harder isnt always the result of "ripping the rug out" Nerfing certain skills, or making certain bosses chain casting AoE slowers wuld be a start in the right direction,

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

If they make it hard for people with 5.0 aps and high refines then it will be impossible for everyone else......

you mean, like 3-3?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you mean, like 3-3?

Exactly like 3-3.


When the change happened it became that people with 5.0 aps and high refines found it to be difficult, and everyone else found it to be impossible.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

you always so painfully honest

Joshcja - Sanctuary

as a 5 aps bm i would love for pwi to make every instance so hard that it takes a squad of full +10 weapon 5 aps chars to run it

because while you where crying i was out farming thatb:kiss

its mabey 300 mill for a +10 claws 5 aps archer +8 dagger sin or claw bm/barb...you can make 10 mill a week on this market w/o 5 aps pretty easily at 90+ (i did it w/o merchanting playing 4-5 hours daily), 52 weeks per year = you can have a +10 5 aps toon in about 8 months

learn to play

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

vristion wrote: »

Making content harder as in bosses just simply hitting harder isnt always the result of "ripping the rug out" Nerfing certain skills, or making certain bosses chain casting AoE slowers wuld be a start in the right direction,

PWI going in the right direction? What are you smoking?

vristion

Impossiable? or more of a challenge.. People in this game developed zurg mentalities.. If they can't just run in an pew-pew it in record time... then its considered to hard.

vristion

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWI going on the right director? What are you smoking?

PWi is just slow...they are a middle man of an entirelly diferent gaming culture.. when PWI can ever break away from the idealistic **** of China, then things would be in the right direction. There are already some things that have been developed in the right direction.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

vristion wrote: »

There are already some things that have been developed in the right direction.

Such as?

vristion

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

Such as?

The ability for a casual gamer to achieve endgame gear and content.. Considering the original was more "china based" where people would need to spend a year or more of 16+ hours a day of playtime to ever see all the endgame content/items available. And now even opens the doors for even moderate to no Cashshopers to achieve the same thing. I know of 2 rank 9s on my server that didnt purchase it with credit cards.

The consequences were? broken endgame content that wasn't prepared for the zurg of OPed geared people... a fix in the making? possiably. That would be a right direction to co-exist with the prior right direction.

Just one example. I could list on things such as event point boutique, and DQ points systems, etc etc.. but that small addidtions are taken for granted by the community,,

But -changes- in a big game like this can not happen over night.. It is not like a p-server that can just wipe, and rewipe, and rewipe everytime they make a change that ultimatelly changes the playability of the game.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

vristion wrote: »

The ability for a casual gamer to achieve endgame gear and content.. Considering the original was more "china based" where people would need to spend a year or more of 16+ hours a day of playtime to ever see all the endgame content/items available. And now even opens the doors for even moderate to no Cashshopers to achieve the same thing.

Achieving endgame gear is something that should some take time & effort else you can't really call it an achievement now can you? If ppl just want to see how it's like there are private servers for that.

Just one example. I could list on things such as event point boutique, and DQ points systems, etc etc.. but that small addidtions are taken for granted by the community,,

Event boutique,dq points,nq/tiger event are one of the ONLY good things that they implemented in very long time. "Going in the right direction" would mean constantly improving the game,not breaking it with a very small number of good updates over 2 years or so.

vristion

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

Achieving endgame gear is something that should some take time & effort else you can't really call it an achievement now can you? If ppl just want to see how it's like there are private servers for that.




Event boutique,dq points,nq/tiger event are one of the ONLY good things that they implemented in very long time. "Going in the right direction" would mean constantly improving the game,not breaking it with a very small number of good updates over 2 years or so.

There are still achievments that have to be earned asside from what you can CS... also people dont have to CS to get it...there are avenues to achieve it on another scale.. rank 8 only fills 4 slots.. rank 9 was simply highly expensive even with a sale.

How is it a positive direction? Quite simply because this game wasn't dsigned for our gaming culture, and for what we are use to. The old nostolgics of grind till your eyes bleed people are the only ones that complain.. And quite frankly as sales have proven, the minority. However now they must evaluate what to fix to keep the content of this game playable.. Namely because it wasnt forcasted that so many people would actually BITE (buy) at the oppurtunity to get those items.. So its safer to release it first, before spending money on brand new developments..

Anyway.. Right direction for the future? More is to come amirite? Guild bases so we can beat eachother up with our own self perceived achievments. Cant wait b:laugh

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

gratz for whishful thinking


i have one, more simple solution, if they wanted to adjust game to our gaming culture: increasing drop rate. ta-dah. the end

way easier than whole aps, rank, tt **** they pulled people tru, in last year


instead, what i saw was making f2p players game more and more miserable.. and then big ads banner: " You wizz/psy/veno/any non-aps? You mad? charge 200$ and become one of those awesome APS farmers!!! Or charge 100$ get rank and kick everyone asses in TW!"

but thats maybe my conspiracy theory

vristion

f2p players

Are actually benifiting now because of the CSers.. Markets are flooding with stuff theyd never see in such a short period of time. People are getting into instances that never spent a dime on gear related material, that theyd never seen before. Basically able to ride the coattails of others.

Thus excelerating their "achievments" that would under the norm, be months of hardcore play.