rank9=end of tw

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I come from a faction that did TW before the rank hype was starting. Honestly, even then the high lvl facs were already dominating TW.

Don't blame everything on rank gear.

When members from fac(s) spend THOUSANDS of dollars/euros on a game it's kinda normal that they get the best gear/weapon possible and obtainable.

NO one "normal" can follow that whatever they try ingame, even if they play almost 24/7.

I see the fac i'm currently in. It's a non-tw fac and i see their gear at their lvl....average to good. But none are "exellent". I don't see anyone in there reaching lvl 100+ soon, and i don't see them CSing exuberantly to the point that it gets rediculous either. None of those players will ever get the cash to get rank 9 rep+gear.

Even the regular or lower TW-facs don't have many members that CS so much that it's silly beyond words. There is no way in hell they can "compete" with those that do.

But, consider this for a moment :

what IS tw ?

It's simply a part of the game that lets factions that can afford it prove how "good" they are in pking. Especially on non-pk servers.
If , as a fac, you see that high lvl facs have insane addicted CS'ers with equally insane gear, you KNOW you cannot compete against that. True, everyone spends their money how they please, but i suspect that most of those heavy cashoppers lose focus on what
is really important : FUN.

It's like an addiction in a casino where you can't look outside : once you've spend all your hard (or easy) earned cash and left it there, you go outside and realize there's life beyond that.

Don't get upset about someone that can afford all that highly desirable stuff and is willing to spend a lot on it and by doing so lowering the fun of some parts of the game (like TW) , while they strive to be "Uber" in a game, i'll go outside and have a beer with friends.
Less costly, more fun.

p.s. : spending over 14.000 euros/dollars on a game makes you one of 2 things :
- Paris Hilton on crack.
- silly.

You choose.

you are talking like every member in "great TW factions" cashoped like crazy and have crazzy gear. that's not the case. tw =/= pk

btw going out for a beer isnt that much fun to me; i would rather have tea with some friends in my home. am I on crack? duh.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

Inactive yet still logging for TWs,I got to experience 2 3hr TWs in a week in my server after the rank sale.

All I did was spam IGs,sutra powder orbs and AD whenever I could,then died in 2-3s once immunities wore out b:cute



Fun TWs?Yes,because I had some fun convos with some friends that were in the opposing faction... oh wait,I can do that on skype or msn anyway,nvm.



Game is dead b:cute

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver

you are talking like every member in "great TW factions" cashoped like crazy and have crazzy gear. that's not the case. tw =/= pk

I see enough members from top facs buying packs like nutters and wearing crazy gear indeed to claim most , but not all, cs like crazy. If you state otherwise, you're playing a different game then the rest of us.

btw going out for a beer isnt that much fun to me; i would rather have tea with some friends in my home. am I on crack? duh.

Read carefully : spending 14 thousand. not drinking tea. People can do whatever they want with their money, but in my book, and i'm sure i'm not alone, spending that much on a game is one of both options i stated.

I CS from time to time too, but i'm not yet on crack to be spending a small car on a game. Every one has their own opinions oc, but people are not blind to the reality here. There are loads of players who spend a LOT of cash on this.

Point is :

Inactive yet still logging for TWs,I got to experience 2 3hr TWs in a week in my server after the rank sale.
All I did was spam IGs,sutra powder orbs and AD whenever I could,then died in 2-3s once immunities wore out

Proves my point. Not that the game is dead, but that TW's are atm a waste of time when you're facing powerful opponents who slap you around like a wet towel against the wall.

Kindrid on dreamweaver doesn't even go up against the top 3 facs. Why do you think that is ? FUN dude, not to find in there against the top 3.

Oc, it's not just t oblame on the rank gear that facs lose, nor is it to blame on cs'ers. But all things combined :
- rank gear
- the 5.0 APS builds
- the heavy high lvl cs'ers
- the TW system itself
- the clanhopping of high lvls to top facs
- the inability of most facs to keep high lvls with them
- the loss of interest in tw from fac members

ALL of this combined contribute to fail TW's, short tw's, QQing over losses,...etc etc.

And for the pkers on pk servers its even worse.

Players that hang around lvl 75 - 90 really don't have anything to make a high income other then csing.

- TT ? prices are low, profit is low unless its high end gear again.
- Farming mats ? Seriously, no real high profits there unless you spend a month doing nothing but that.
- playing the market ? only for those who spend a LOT of time ingame and checking the market constantly for opportunities. And you need cash to start playing the market.

So what's left then ? Indeed, high lvl instances like nirvana. And even that is slowly getting saturated to the point prices are dropping significantly. But nirvana is not for the lvl 80's or 90.

In every lower fac i see, i see most members running around in semi-gear or even crappy gear because they can't afford it any better then "maybe" TT gear. Not everyone has the time or cash to be high lvl with top gear. But those that do just make it worse for the rest of us mere mortals.
And that is a fact : you can NOT compete with someone who spends a lot of time and cash in the game. Unless...you do the same.

MageFizban - Lost City

So basically you're saying: "The people who dedicate the most resources whether it be time or money are better off than those who don't."

That seems about right.

Nyxya - Harshlands

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

So basically you're saying: "The people who dedicate the most resources whether it be time or money are better off than those who don't."

That seems about right.

yes and no... if natural for ppl who work or pay to have the edge...to have better gear..just that some gear are way to good and difference between p2p and f2p is just to bigb:lipcurl

Naivety - Harshlands

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

yes and no... if natural for ppl who work or pay to have the edge...to have better gear..just that some gear are way to good and difference between p2p and f2p is just to bigb:lipcurl

Hence us freebie players dont bother with west gate and have fun elsewhere.

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inb4 someone mentioning my clerics evidently cashopped pieces of gear. That was a long time ago....... Wish I hadnt spent that money b:sad

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Eh. I think the big cashshopper factions are having trouble. Egos, emotions, and otherwise, personalities, are conflicted. I know there have been some issues inside the big powerful factions on Sanctuary. Those big factions split, some of the best members in them for DD and PK leave because they know that they are the best, and they want to run the show. Or, the leadership wants them gone, there's a conflict of interest, personality, or something else, and they get banished from the faction.

There are other factions that are big, with a lot of CSers, that are organized, and seem to be keeping the internal conflicts at a minimum, and those are the factions that are dominating the map on Sanctuary right now.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i think a lot, write a lot, but still dont read too much what others write

stop writing obvious things and read for once:

problem with r9 is, that it is too powerful and too easy to get.

imagine FPS game where every hit (even if you hit single foot toe) kills you; there is almost no 'skill' involved, and people win by luck, usually (tip: no fun).


this example may be exaggereted, but thats what people feel when they talk about r9 + TW

Happy_Killer - Harshlands

It honestly wouldn't have been so bad, this Rank 9 coming out, if you HADN'T HAVE PUT IT IN THE SHOP FOR THE PRICE OF A CHEAP USED CAR. [/caps]

Just another nail in the coffin to be honest. PWE's lucky they pulled out the Genesis expansion before people got pissed.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Well it was pretty obvious from the start that Rank 9 would have a huge influence on TW. After all, it's ridiculously strong and much, much better than anything else you can get in the game.

And it's not like you need to have squads full of Rank 9s. One there, another here and that should do, since their damage is massive and their defenses and life are also much higher than others'.

And it's not like the Rank 9 players are going to just get bored and quit the game either. After all, Rank 9 costs a lot and buying it with actual cash is going to affect your affinity to the game. So even if they get bored, they'll still play because of the investment they made. It is rather doubtful that there are too many people who could shrug off outright buying all of Rank 9 with 4 sockets, best shards and +10 on all pieces.

Oh well, I don't TW so it doesn't affect me. After all, PvP that isn't dependant on skill is boring.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Honestly, I think rank 9 was a part of their balancing act, to deal with the consequences of 5aps characters:

Rank 9 characters can be powerful without 5aps.

I expect to see additional mechanisms and methods, to help people situationally compete with 5aps without actually being 5aps, in the genesis expansion.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I see enough members from top facs buying packs like nutters and wearing crazy gear indeed to claim most , but not all, cs like crazy. If you state otherwise, you're playing a different game then the rest of us.


Read carefully : spending 14 thousand. not drinking tea. People can do whatever they want with their money, but in my book, and i'm sure i'm not alone, spending that much on a game is one of both options i stated.

crazy gear =\= cs
i easily make ~5mil/day, hit 100 at ~september, that's 3-4 months, that's 450-600mil.
sometimes i dont play some days, bored etc. so i dont think that i made so much xd
but others did. and that doesnt involve any 5aps farming, just dailies, a bit of grinding, some merch.

you see those members cause those members get their name in red; but a faction has 200 people; how many do u see? and anyway, u can always come to a meeting place before TW and check gear. now if we play a different game.. dunno.. maybe cause I am actually in a TW faction. yes there are cashopers, yes there are crazy farmers, yes there are people with not-so-super-ultra gear.


the value of money is relative. if someone is a millionaire, 14k$ is for him what 14$ is for someone with 1k$. and for some other people that 14$ is a month's salary, that surely shouldnt be wasted on tea.

Longknife - Harshlands

Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »

so much hate guys ..easy...

this topic is not about me or zulu or crimson or even harshland for that mater i was just curios how other ppl see impact of rank 9 in tw and sure why not in pk...

i can't come and post anything around with out bunch of zulus jump in my throat b:chuckle

Your very first post heavily implies you guys lost in 20 minutes flat solely because of r9.

However, you fail to mention that you guys lost in 10 minutes flat before the r9 sale. Whether Zulu or Crimson has more r9s is also very questionable; they seem about even by my count.

Would a r9 opponent be very difficult in 1v1? Hell yeah
Would a r9 opponent be important in a small group fight? Yes it would
Would a r9 player be less influential in a giant 80v80 fight? Of course. In such a big fight, the key is strategy, which Crimson apparently DOESN'T HAVE.


If you'd like to complain about getting grief killed by a r9 player in world PVP without any hope of resistance, go for it. What you've done thus far though is complain about your own guild's failures in an area of combat where r9 would have diminishing influence and value, since there's dozens of options and ways to take out those r9s.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

If you'd like to complain about getting grief killed by a r9 player in world PVP without any hope of resistance, go for it. What you've done thus far though is complain about your own guild's failures in an area of combat where r9 would have diminishing influence and value, since there's dozens of options and ways to take out those r9s.

You don't see anyone from RT complain either. There's only 3 (as far as I know) r9 players on the whole server.

Are those players OP? No **** they're OP
Do they influence TW? Of course they do, any time you need to divert 10+ forces to tackle one foe, it's going to affect the battle.
Does r9 make TW more fun? I personally believe it does. It makes TW a team effort again, as opposed to the 80 1v1s it sometimes becomes.

MageFizban - Lost City

At least R9 forces CSing sins to choose between APS and DPH.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »

At least R9 forces CSing sins to choose between APS and DPH.

or get both :b

Longknife - Harshlands

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't see anyone from RT complain either. There's only 3 (as far as I know) r9 players on the whole server.

Are those players OP? No **** they're OP

Today I had the courtesy of being hit for an 8k crit by a r9 +12 wizard.

Mind you, I have 70% natural magic resistance, I had white voodoo on (another 70% redux in damage) and I'm pretty sure I had soul of retaliation on. Still got hit for an 8k crit. That's flippin' ridiculous.

However, that was this r9 wizzie vs. like three of us. In TW, it's very VERY simple for me to debuff her channeling speed under the cover of all the chaos on the battlefield, announce her prescense to my party and get her focused down. Until she goes down, her channeling is crippled and she won't be getting many kills.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't see anyone from RT complain either. There's only 3 (as far as I know) r9 players on the whole server.

Are those players OP? No **** they're OP
Do they influence TW? Of course they do, any time you need to divert 10+ forces to tackle one foe, it's going to affect the battle.
Does r9 make TW more fun? I personally believe it does. It makes TW a team effort again, as opposed to the 80 1v1s it sometimes becomes.

A team effort?More like a tab-target pew pew based fest that a 10 year old could pull off.

I took part in 2 3hr TWs last week and yes it's true that they were still somewhat interesting but relying almost completely on 1k immunity pots and AD unless ALL your gear is heavily refined isn't really that fun. A 40 minute TW before this rank sale was more fun than a 3hr one after it,at least that's my opinion. The only team effort needed is to take down the few +10/+11 all round geared ppl but that was the case before the sale as well...if anything ,it's easier to take even the OPs down with all the r8 weaps ppl have now. As for the others,they can just be taken out with tab-targeting & button smashing much easier than before.

Thing on RT was that due to this rank sale the top faction that used to roll every1 lost a few good people and another faction started getting a ton of decent players right after it thus making 2 factions of equal power.

It's hard to understand how any1 that likes & has experienced old school pvp in PWI where ppl didn't kill each other so fast and you actually needed more than just tab-target & button smash to take some1 down would enjoy this kind of pvp but I guess we have lots of those.


And ppl did complain when this sale 1st came,but they aren't complaining now because some of them quit, just log a few times per week to play a bit or chit-chat with friends (yes it can be done on an instant messenger but lots do it in-game)and don't care enough about the game to even complain anymore,not to mention that it falls upon deaf ears. Also, some factions got to experience longer TWs now due to the quitting of some members in certain factions and they're happy about it.Enough to ignore the rank sale even if they were the same ones complaining about how boring/broken this game is on updates that weren't nearly as worst as this one.

Dalesr - Harshlands

I like how we free to play peoiple leave their cash shops 24/7, somehow we are spending $$$ in a non direct way too to make coins. We increase our energy bill. Anyhoo...

I remember back when Nyxya bought like a thousand Horns and spammed wc 24/7. In game coins, sure.

Oh yeah, you guys need to learn to PvP and to TW. When 98% of the guild calls your Rank 9s and half the server to help them kill 5 Zulus in world pvp... they aren't learning anything. But that's another topic I guess...

vristion

PWI content wise, and playerbase gear wise, just was not ready for lvl 16 gears.. Elite instance gears TT/Lunar/Nirvana was still quite a challenge for the average playerbase to get. Which kept the gear/strength ratio somewhat balanced.


Heavy CSers with r8 mixed with some nirvana even then could find some rsistance from a TT geared person that simply knew how to play their class. Now even a r8/nirvana geared person is a one sht wonder to a rank 9?....what about the STILL mass majority that just workin on finishing TT99?


just to soon pwi...to soon.

Bourn - Harshlands

Longknife Forgot To Mention "tunnelsnakes Rule" Tht Is All