Any GM response to the rep/rank gear sale?
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »Responses in orange, of course.
Try again. Most high level players on the older servers have had enough. They've left, their guilds are dying, and pretty much everybody is in a gloomy mood...unless you count the:"OMG STOP QQING LOLOMGWTFBBQ?~!" People. They're just here to try and feel like they're so grown up because they're not mad and too blind to understand just how damaging this sale is to the rest of the gaming community. Just because it doesn't effect YOUR gameplay, doesn't mean it's not **** the rest of the playerbase over.
First off, I'm not here to pove anything, so I don't understand what this *Try Again* rant is all about, I'm not here to prove ****. secondly, the amount of "OMG STOP QQING LOLOMGWTFBBQ?~!" people are A LOT, then again, "Not mad and too blind...BLAH BLAH" - It's a god damn game, get it? YOU are blind & fail to understand the fact that such changes are bound to occur "**** the game" - yeah, just like Anniversary packs, the introduction of CS, BHs & Hypers did right? its just not MY gameplay, A LOT of people still are happy with it & the ones who don't are in minority.Period
Maybe you should pay attention to this saying, said by a person surely wiser than me or you: "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain."
if you still think you are right, then may the force be with you.
~ Maya Angelou
.......Did you seriously just say that they know what they're doing?
Yes I SERIOUSLY did, I've played this game a lot & have been through the entire QQing legacy of PWI upon such things which get debunked in the end.
There is nothing buisness-worthy about this idea, much like there was nothing good about killing off TW. (They did give the excuse that gold prices would go down. With 1.2mil in Lost City, how well do you think that one worked out? Notice that they said it was a 3 month trial period...and that was in July/August
Here's the problem: "Nothing Business Worthy" - How the hell does a person like you make statements like this?? How do you know that? are you some executive or maybe a senior manager at PWI? No - you sir, do not have an inlking about whats *Business Worthy* and whats not for THEM, THEY are the "best" judges about THEIR benefits & are doing exactly what they should - according to THEIR preferences, not the players (Yes, the people who think that they are at a loss, too bad for them...). Yes Gold prices changed in-game but thats IN-GAME, what their cash flows are, nobody knows about it & obviously they are benefitting from these events, that is why these events occured at the first place. I agree that they made excuses about the gold prices, however, as long as they're benefitting in terms of real money, these events will go on & so will the game - face it or leave.
Everybody who comes to the forums after playing the game for a certain while learns the true nature of the developing company after a few days. I first came to this forum when my old Elf Priest was level 34. I've been slowly harboring outrage and distaste ever since
Yes - everybody who takes this game as a matter of life & death instead of enjoying it comes to the forums already convinced that he is going to bash something about it does find it out actually - Once again, it's a game, play it for fun or start harbouring outrage is up to the person - I totally agree their administration could have several flaws however, you simply cannot deny the fact that pondering over them & getting "Outraged" over a f^cking game is FUTILE. Ignore it & have fun or keep arguing about it is upto you. It really doesn't matter as long as it's a game IMO.
It's possibly to play-it-right to win. Unfortunately, the mass majority of the playerbase no longer does that. You could faceroll the keyboard and take out a barb with 25k HP as an Assassin if you have Rank 9. Try again.
Statistical analysis? Graph? or any other solid information? No? well - sorry, I do not believe in bogus hyper-boles like the one you just threw in the air, I might as well claim the fact that *mass majority* still follow the same rule - and they do. Like I said, a paying person does get good gear fast, but that does not make him unbeatable or anything. In the end, be realistic, ofcourse a person who pays WILL have some advantage over the one who didn't, they need to earn money in-order to maintain tis game in several ways, obviously they WILL give a certain advantage to the paying ones depending on how much they spend, simply because they paid for it & you didn't, money doesn't grow on trees, get real.
As long as *Non-CSer should have benefits equal to the CSer* is concerned - welcome to the world, this cannot happen, everything comes with a price, all the maintainence & advancements brought to the game are made possible by the money coming from the CSers; said by a non-CSer.
......New ones will replace them, and then come to the forums, or hear about how terrible the game management is and leave. And so you're stuck with a constant flow of gamers.....who are constantly leaving.
..AND many won't, will play the game for fun & wouldn't even bother going to the forums to read through useless gibberish talk regarding a *game*...lol
Try again, less biased and narrowsighted opinions next time.
No offence but - stop making fallacious statements thinking that you know everything or atleast, be polite, I didn't bash anyone at the first place.
*Try again* - yeah in otherwords "LETS FLAME EACH OTHER", Well, NO THANKS, I respect your opinions as long as you respect mine b:chuckle
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Ruby_Inferno - Harshlands wrote: »First off, I'm not here to pove anything, so I don't understand what this *Try Again* rant is all about, I'm not here to prove ****. secondly, the amount of "OMG STOP QQING LOLOMGWTFBBQ?~!" people are A LOT, then again, "Not mad and too blind...BLAH BLAH" - It's a god damn game, get it? YOU are blind & fail to understand the fact that such changes are bound to occur "Screweing the game" - yeah, just like Anniversary packs, the introduction of CS, BHs & Hypers did right? its just not MY gameplay, A LOT of people still are happy with it & the ones who don't are in minority.Period
I think you are confused about the meaning of the word minority.
The only way the unhappy players are in the minority is if you exclude all the people who have quit the game completely, have stopped spending money, and have cut back on how much time they play the game, or just can't find another game right now.
If you think Lutricia, Yulk, Janus (I think), and yourself are in the majority, you are sadly mistaken.
Also, you don't have to type Period after the period. The period itself implies that the sentence has stopped.0 -
NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »I think you are confused about the meaning of the word minority.
The only way the unhappy players are in the minority is if you exclude all the people who have quit the game completely, have stopped spending money, and have cut back on how much time they play the game, or just can't find another game right now.
Yes, obviously we'll exclude them, they are gone, it was their decision, more people IN-GAME are happy, that's whats important.NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »If you think Lutricia, Yulk, Janus (I think), and yourself are in the majority, you are sadly mistaken.
We are the one's who came to the forums doesn't mean that's all of them.....I was thinking it would become a flame war and it has; should've just left the QQing threads and everything would've been ok in the end..like always...NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »Also, you don't have to type Period after the period. The period itself implies that the sentence has stopped
You really need something to bash don't you? yes, I understand.... b:chuckle
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Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »"But Longknife, you can still farm r8 in game. You don't have to cash shop!"
No, no you can't. R8 requires rep, which we're getting through wraith badges, which are CONSUMABLES. No one in their right mind will buy and resell these; everyone will consume them.
By your definition, there has been someone out of her or his mind, running a kitty shop beside the commander in chief on sanctuary, for quite some time now, and for a relatively low markup over the price of buying gold.
I doubt this proves anything, for someone so capable of making up his own mind. But I thought I would mention it.0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »So like I said, I'm sitting here confused, baffled and surprised. This decision is LITERALLY game-suicide, as if to say "Yeah you were right" to all the people who have long said "game is dying, they're just milking the last drops out of it." Which again baffles me, cause wtf there's a big new update around the corner. Why update a game that's commiting Hata kiri?...
Part of my irl job is project management. Projects that are planned out over a year in advance.
While we might not see the big picture now - there is a big picture. Things are rarely decided in business willy nilly and things that are decided are considered "need to know" (meaning unless you are in the project, your never gonna know it all.. even then, owners of each deliverable only know their portion.. not all - only the top top know 100%).
And even as they roll out the deliverables (each piece), they spoon feed us only as much as they feel we need to know. Remember, companies do not answer our questions, they simply do not have to and it can lead to promises that might have to be pulled back due to any potential issues in the project.
By the time information is given to us, they already have a schedule roll out time and date for it to go live.
Really, they cannot give us advance notice, incase of problems or technical issues or etc... Always need to have a rollback plan and part of that is, tell them only as much as they need to know (case of a potential rollback).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Siriner - Sanctuary wrote: »
But if you expand that stock view out to a 3 year period, you will see that their stock took a dive when they released pwi. So about that golden age of perfect world... if we assume that pwi gameplay dictates their stock price... do you really think you can convince them that they should direct their efforts to putting things back to the $10/share days?0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
So basically we have the poor non-CSers climbing a VERY steep hill, all while getting their butts kicked in PVP = they're gonna quit. Then we have the rich doing next to nothing since they already have end-game gear: no farming, no charging of zhen (these sales have also made +10 easier to come by...), just PVP and TW.
Nice false dichotomy. Don't CS and give up or CS and do nothing/be bored.0 -
Ruby_Inferno - Harshlands wrote: »Try again. Most high level players on the older servers have had enough. They've left, their guilds are dying, and pretty much everybody is in a gloomy mood...unless you count the:"OMG STOP QQING LOLOMGWTFBBQ?~!" People. They're just here to try and feel like they're so grown up because they're not mad and too blind to understand just how damaging this sale is to the rest of the gaming community. Just because it doesn't effect YOUR gameplay, doesn't mean it's not **** the rest of the playerbase over.
First off, I'm not here to pove anything, so I don't understand what this *Try Again* rant is all about, I'm not here to prove ****. secondly, the amount of "OMG STOP QQING LOLOMGWTFBBQ?~!" people are A LOT, then again, "Not mad and too blind...BLAH BLAH" - It's a god damn game, get it? YOU are blind & fail to understand the fact that such changes are bound to occur "**** the game" - yeah, just like Anniversary packs, the introduction of CS, BHs & Hypers did right? its just not MY gameplay, A LOT of people still are happy with it & the ones who don't are in minority.Period
The things that most people were complaining about (Anni packs and TW changes were the major offenders) are still being complained about today....just less. Some of us still realize that these are still problems....we just figured out that complaining about it isn't going to do much good at all because of the Developer's lack of give-a-damn.
Whatever majority of happy players you're seeing, please, point them out. Mis or uniformed players, whom are blissfully unaware of going on could be the majority, but I can assure you out of the two sides (those who like the sale and those who don't) you and I both know who would win that one....FYI--> It honestly wouldn't be those who do.
And I know you were in West Arch when urDian was there, Ruby. You were there seeing him in action, and you know that nearly 98% of the psychics on our server couldn't handle TWO ASSASSINS AT THE SAME TIME. (urDian has rank 8, just in case you wanted to know? The two assassins were both high leveled 9x Woodans.)
(Don't take me wrong, I like urDian, but beating 2 9x Assassins? That can only be done with Rank Gear, and we all know it, especially as a Pure MAG Psychic.)
Maybe you should pay attention to this saying, said by a person surely wiser than me or you: "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain."
if you still think you are right, then may the force be with you.
~ Maya Angelou
The problem is, that attitude isn't the best outlook. Try applying it to other points in history; like the American Revolution? Or World War II?
Try again. :S
.......Did you seriously just say that they know what they're doing?
Yes I SERIOUSLY did, I've played this game a lot & have been through the entire QQing legacy of PWI upon such things which get debunked in the end.
If they were doing such a wonderful job, why so much QQ? It certainly seems odd that a large mass of players are all complaining about the same thing (not just the rank sale, as I'm sure you and I both know the long history of QQ's in the game) could all just be butthurt....and only a small number of players are actually approving the sale.
I'm PRETTY sure if we stuck a poll up there, and you, Yulk, Lutircia, and all the other "OMGWTFBBQ STOP QQING" people didn't use your alts to post false votes....you'd find the numbers leaning somewhere a lot closer to "Wow, this sale sucks."
There is nothing buisness-worthy about this idea, much like there was nothing good about killing off TW. (They did give the excuse that gold prices would go down. With 1.2mil in Lost City, how well do you think that one worked out? Notice that they said it was a 3 month trial period...and that was in July/August
Here's the problem: "Nothing Business Worthy" - How the hell does a person like you make statements like this??
I use my fingers, naturally. That, and I'm taking business and economics in school at this time. Pissing off most of your customers...isn't very business worthy in my experience.
How do you know that? are you some executive or maybe a senior manager at PWI?
Are you?
No - you sir, do not have an inlking about whats *Business Worthy* and whats not for THEM
I'm a girl, but thank you for insulting my intelligence...or trying to. You do get an A for effort.
THEY are the "best" judges about THEIR benefits & are doing exactly what they should - according to THEIR preferences, not the players (Yes, the people who think that they are at a loss, too bad for them...).
....That is one BIG run-on sentence....
I think you'll find even their GM's don't think they're the best judges about their benefits most of the time.
Here's a heads up-- In order to do ANYTHING successfully, you have to find a way to please the majority, while still making money, be it a game, government, running a business, whatever. If you have something other people want, it's a good idea not to **** off the people who are the most interested in it.
And for the past...year and a half, they've been doing just that; pissing off the people who are the most interested in their product: the game.
It would be like you going and getting a car, a Mustang that's very nice and very expensive, and then driving it on a road and getting it dirty. When you go and take that car to the Drive Through Wash, you expect the machine to do the job correctly, since you're spending 20 bucks on that wash.
And then the machine goes and puts dents in your car's body, and the manager who owns the machine isn't the least bit sorry, gives no response as to how or why the dents were made, and tells you to suck it up.
Once more, try again.
Yes Gold prices changed in-game but thats IN-GAME, what their cash flows are, nobody knows about it & obviously they are benefitting from these events, that is why these events occured at the first place. I agree that they made excuses about the gold prices, however, as long as they're benefitting in terms of real money, these events will go on & so will the game - face it or leave.
Wrong; if they were successful, they wouldn't be spamming so many sales one after the other. That's a sign that they obviously didn't make enough money on the last sale, so they need another one to make up for what they lost getting the products on the line.
The problem is, most F2P players (That's that majority again, darn,) buy their gold....
In game.
I can promise you if this continues, there will be massive repercussions in the game later on. I said that about Endgame in Annipacks...and so far, so good.
The Game isn't dead. I don't want people to think I agree with what everybody else is saying-- it's just on life support and hardly getting oxygen at the moment.
Hopefully the Earthguard will come in and get rid of the cancer that is player negativity at the moment, and perhaps the game will come out of the coma that is terrible management. Maybe. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Everybody who comes to the forums after playing the game for a certain while learns the true nature of the developing company after a few days. I first came to this forum when my old Elf Priest was level 34. I've been slowly harboring outrage and distaste ever since
Yes - everybody who takes this game as a matter of life & death instead of enjoying it comes to the forums already convinced that he is going to bash something about it does find it out actually - Once again, it's a game, play it for fun or start harbouring outrage is up to the person - I totally agree their administration could have several flaws however, you simply cannot deny the fact that pondering over them & getting "Outraged" over a f^cking game is FUTILE. Ignore it & have fun or keep arguing about it is upto you. It really doesn't matter as long as it's a game IMO.
It's possibly to play-it-right to win. Unfortunately, the mass majority of the playerbase no longer does that. You could faceroll the keyboard and take out a barb with 25k HP as an Assassin if you have Rank 9. Try again.
Statistical analysis? Graph? or any other solid information? No? well - sorry, I do not believe in bogus hyper-boles like the one you just threw in the air, I might as well claim the fact that *mass majority* still follow the same rule - and they do.
If you're so anal about this majority issue, by all means, get the information yourself.
Like I said, a paying person does get good gear fast, but that does not make him unbeatable or anything.
Didn't say unbeatable; I said faceroll. That means someone who has worked for their Nirvana can get absolutely destroyed by someone facerolling the keyboard with Rank 9 on.
In the end, be realistic, ofcourse a person who pays WILL have some advantage over the one who didn't, they need to earn money in-order to maintain tis game in several ways, obviously they WILL give a certain advantage to the paying ones depending on how much they spend, simply because they paid for it & you didn't, money doesn't grow on trees, get real.
Obviously, but you misunderstood me. The issue isn't about it being fair for the free to play players-- it's about being fair to the players in general. Rank is SUPPOSED to be issued by quests, nothing more nothing less. That was how you earned Rank gear. All of the Endgame gear is SUPPOSED to be worked for.
Jlung, who worked his furry behind off for his Nirvana, just got screwed because PWE decides to issue out Rank like pieces of candy. This sale is not right for those working hard to get their gear at all. You might as well stick TTmats in there while you're at it, and Warsoul too.
THAT is the main issue that the "QQers" have.
As long as *Non-CSer should have benefits equal to the CSer* is concerned - welcome to the world, this cannot happen, everything comes with a price, all the maintainence & advancements brought to the game are made possible by the money coming from the CSers; said by a non-CSer.
Like I said.... It's not about fair to just the F2P or the CSers; it's about the majority players in general. Everybody knows that the CS is the main source of income, and that's not what we're complaining about (at least not what I'm complaining about.) --BUT they obviously must have a lot of income coming in though, since they released Forsaken World...and that game has just as good, if not better, game graphics/mechanics as PWI. Rather suspicious.
......New ones will replace them, and then come to the forums, or hear about how terrible the game management is and leave. And so you're stuck with a constant flow of gamers.....who are constantly leaving.
..AND many won't, will play the game for fun & wouldn't even bother going to the forums to read through useless gibberish talk regarding a *game*...lol
...really? Do you know how many people go to these forums? Just because they don't post, doesn't mean they're not there.....And word of mouth travels faster than you realize....
Try again, less biased and narrowsighted opinions next time.
No offence but - stop making fallacious statements thinking that you know everything or atleast, be polite, I didn't bash anyone at the first place.
I'll give you credit that at least you aren't like Janus, who believes that simply because I call him biased, I'm insulting him. Simply because you asked nicely, I'll do as you asked. If there's anything previously stated that did so, I apologize.
*Try again* - yeah in otherwords "LETS FLAME EACH OTHER", Well, NO THANKS, I respect your opinions as long as you respect mine b:chuckle
"Try Again" isn't flame bait-- it's merely a challenge to re-defend your point using the things which I responded with. Once again, if it sounded like flame bait, you misunderstood and I apologize.
~ Cheers! =]
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »More responses in orange.
If you're so anal about this majority issue, by all means, get the information yourself.
Nah, you made a statement so I asked for evidence which you obviosuly do not have. =P
....I apologize.
Apologies accepted
One thing I'll tell you, is that I really admire the way you put your thoughts, they are not offensive, yet you do not sound insulting - which is basically what grinds my gears on the forums (since I can't really get my hands on the guy here =P), this time you were polite & I agree with numerous things you said. I am not one of those who just come here to bash stuff & you are not one of them either as it seems, my wishes are with all the players of PWI & I pray that it stays alive & kicking for ever
Anyway, you know what, I got valid points and so did you, this topic really isn't worth the time we're typing as its really not getting anywhere. Sorry I didn't know you're a girl, I am a guy & I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, forgive me if you felt that. Now that we've talked, instead of wasting more space, sale or no-sale, lets be friends atleast?
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