Which are you most afraid of? (Poll/Discussion)

Adroit - Lost City

I'm a guy irl b:surrender
long story ._.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

The game has only been alive for approximately 3 years, idiot. And, the genies more recent than that. That's why.

Yes, and in those years only you have ever thought to experiment with genies. Your sooooo avant garde

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

And, because I got the weapon wrong, that means that I intentionally lied about the whole thing? lol What's wrong with you? Seems I must have hit a sore spot, because I'm not lying. No, you're the problem, and I'm wondering why?

Dude, you didn't get some insignificant fact wrong. That was the whole basis for you "just knowing" that the psychic was 102. That was the core of your argument that it was such a cool, unique and undiscovered use of a genie.

Too bad it was all fantasy.

Its like saying in a car wreck you are certain you got hit by a blue car when in fact it was red. Its not just an innocent mistake. Being proven wrong about a detail you originally were so certain about is the hallmark of deception.

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

And, if Adroit didn't know about the inconsistency with dragonfire, why is it that one must take it as a fact that it must have been extensively studied in the past by big Wizards such as you? Obviously, you didn't know a thing about it.

I never claimed to. What I claimed was you can't go off what this site says or that skill description is. Wizards, big and small, have known this for forever.

You have to play. Its what Adroit meant when he said "looks good on paper" or whatever. And what I meant when I said to play more.

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

And, have you thought of just why we look up to Adroit,

Never gave it a second thought. Although its interesting that you've chosen to look up to someone that is quitting the game for many of the same things you claim make me a bitter old troll, lol

THAT's why I don't take anyone looking up to anyone as a sign of anything.

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

and not you?

Unlike Adroit (who has admitted on these very forums that he likes to "show off"), I don't really care who "looks up to me". Unlike you, I have no ego to satisfy through a computer game.

If I wanted people to look up to me, I'm pretty sure I would be nicer to noobs like you. That fact that I'm not, should be all the proof needed to show that I don't.

And actually, I'm quite nice. I just don't like full of themself blow hards - especially when they have no idea what they are talking about.

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

And, I never once played up myself in pvp. Maybe that's because I'm lvl 96 and have spent my entire PWI life in the dungeon. Never have I misrepresented that.

No, but again I never said you did. What you DID do, though, is to malign the vast majority of wizards that play this game (on pve servers, mind you) and attempt to say that YOU, because of the server you picked and your 14 pvp kills, have more valid opinions on a pk genie than they do.

That, my impetuous flea, is worthy of more scorn than I even have the patience to put into words. And THAT's saying something.

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

Lastly, this genie build was done simply because one reallly good Wizard, asked me with respect to build it and test it. It wasn't you. And, it wasn't because I'm ready to start pvp, I'm not. I'm a dungeon wizard, but I expect that to be changing in the near future.

Assuming that is true (1) you don't give that impression - quite the contrary, you write as if it were all your idea; and (2) I hope you give him a more accurate reporting than you have given us. Otherwise, whats the point?

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

So, maybe Master "BLOOD", it's time for you to retire or reroll, or you can become another irrelevant troll like so many other so called "pros".

I tell the truth, no more, no less. The only people that are apt to view the truth as trolling are delusional, trying to fool themselves that its not true. That maybe noone tried this. Or that. Or the other thing.

Any that want to join you in your denial are welcome to it. Again, I decline your invitation.

As for retiring or rerolling, look to your idol for that. In 6 months, you won't even play this game either, I'd wager.

Pearlwood - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I'm a guy irl b:surrender
long story ._.

Not worried about it. YOU are a great Wizard. That's what is important here.

BLOOD you can yammer on and on, it doesn't change a thing. I'm looking for ways and means, and you quite obviously don't have any answers whatsoever.

More playtest reports forthcoming.
God, I love Wizards.

Pearlwood - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

That, my impetuous flea, is worthy of more scorn than I even have the patience to put into words. And THAT's saying something.

Playtest report #2:

I've come to the conclusion that for a pvp genie, it's imperative that Fortify and Badge of Courage be synthesized into a chainable quantity. Occult Ice has go to go.

Dragonfire is a thing of beauty against robes and archers, but it, like AbsDom, is a one shot thing. Still undecided as to how it should be handled.

Further playtest reports forthcoming.

Adroit - Lost City

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

Playtest report #2:

I've come to the conclusion that for a pvp genie, it's imperative that Fortify and Badge of Courage be synthesized into a chainable quantity. Occult Ice has go to go.

Dragonfire is a thing of beauty against robes and archers, but it, like AbsDom, is a one shot thing. Still undecided as to how it should be handled.

Further playtest reports forthcoming.

hmm sounds familiar b:chuckle

Joshcja - Sanctuary

assuming you oponent had 60 def levels stacked then dragonfire would be close to a 30% amp compared to EP's 20%

that said frenzy does the same thing for a far lower cost

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

assuming you oponent had 60 def levels stacked then dragonfire would be close to a 30% amp compared to EP's 20%

that said frenzy does the same thing for a far lower cost

how do you figure that? You realize 60 def lvl is not 60% less damage right?

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

how do you figure that? You realize 60 def lvl is not 60% less damage right?

60 def level over your jones bless sorry

so for dragonfire to be better than EP you basicly have to hit a TT boss or a psy in white with it

from what i've noticed 1 def level = 1% less damage in pve vs mobs of = level and this is holding true up to around 50ish after which im getting some odd results so gonna play with it more (not testing on a private server out of boredom i swear)

but till 50% its basicly 1 def level = 1% less damage

so lets assume 60 def = 60% damage redux for the moment your hitting for 40% lets say i rip off 20 of those levels

effective 50% amp in theory in practice 30ish%

basicly the same reason undine will always make you do 50%+ more damage on an unbuffed pve target even though your only takeing off 25% of the oponents real % mag def...

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

60 def level over your jones bless sorry

so for dragonfire to be better than EP you basicly have to hit a TT boss or a psy in white with it

from what i've noticed 1 def level = 1% less damage in pve vs mobs of = level and this is holding true up to around 50ish after which im getting some odd results so gonna play with it more (not testing on a private server out of boredom i swear)

but till 50% its basicly 1 def level = 1% less damage

Not how it works unfortuantely. Defense lvls suffer from diminishing returns, so assuming you were fighting someone with 60 def lvl over you.. and you took away 17 of those def lvls.. you are talking like 10-15% increase in damage for you. Rough estimate, but you will be getting less than a 1% increase in damage per def lvl you take away from an opponent.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Not how it works unfortuantely. Defense lvls suffer from diminishing returns, so assuming you were fighting someone with 60 def lvl over you.. and you took away 17 of those def lvls.. you are talking like 10-15% increase in damage for you. Rough estimate, but you will be getting less than a 1% increase in damage per def lvl you take away from an opponent.

as i said till 50 over your attack its straight returns from my experiance

and 60 in pve seems to work the same its only in pvp that i'm noticeing a differance aka it acts weird b:surrender

Regenbogen - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

as i said till 50 over your attack its straight returns from my experiance

and 60 in pve seems to work the same its only in pvp that i'm noticeing a differance aka it acts weird b:surrender

atklv of players? b:question

Pearlwood - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Not how it works unfortuantely. Defense lvls suffer from diminishing returns, so assuming you were fighting someone with 60 def lvl over you.. and you took away 17 of those def lvls.. you are talking like 10-15% increase in damage for you. Rough estimate, but you will be getting less than a 1% increase in damage per def lvl you take away from an opponent.

As a matter of fact, no further playtests are necessary. The dragonfire genie is a one shot deal and toooo slow. Virtually impossible to get more than one genie skill off in a single fight.

The genie has been rebuilt, thusly:

Cloud Eruption lvl 2
Frenzy lvl 10
Holy Path
EP lvl 10
Fortify lvl 10
Alpha Male lvl 10

Much more satisfactory performance. And AMale is really perfect...40 percent damage reflection for 5 seconds. And, you can pile it on with your own attack. Made quick work an aggressive barb with it. Still trying to answer the question as to whether or not it works when stunned. If so, it's a definite winner.

Adroit - Lost City

Pearlwood - Lost City wrote: »

As a matter of fact, no further playtests are necessary. The dragonfire genie is a one shot deal and toooo slow. Virtually impossible to get more than one genie skill off in a single fight.

The genie has been rebuilt, thusly:

Cloud Eruption lvl 2
Frenzy lvl 10
Holy Path
EP lvl 10
Fortify lvl 10
Alpha Male lvl 10

Much more satisfactory performance. And AMale is really perfect...40 percent damage reflection for 5 seconds. And, you can pile it on with your own attack. Made quick work an aggressive barb with it. Still trying to answer the question as to whether or not it works when stunned. If so, it's a definite winner.

lol im not sure alpha male is going to work, but worth a shot I suppose. You should have fortify at level 1. leveling it only reduces the chance at a mdef reduction, and makes it use more energy. 90% of the time you use it.. it will be against a barb/bm/archer/sin, where the mdef reduction won't matter.. but using significantly less energy is a big upside.

Pearlwood - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

lol im not sure alpha male is going to work, but worth a shot I suppose. You should have fortify at level 1. leveling it only reduces the chance at a mdef reduction, and makes it use more energy. 90% of the time you use it.. it will be against a barb/bm/archer/sin, where the mdef reduction won't matter.. but using significantly less energy is a big upside.

I'll check that immediately.

You were right about the other genie...overbuilt gums up the works. For pvp, it needs to be fast and reliable, not necessarily overpowerful.

edit: Alpha Male does not appear to be very defensive at all, it's offensive. Contrary to what I thought, it does not automatically reflect the damage. Apparently, it collects a portion of the damage u do take, then after a few moments, spits it back out at the aggressor. Kind of like emberstorm. Works well if u have been surprised when combined with sutra power orb before your charm bypasses. When the charm resurges, then the opponent takes a big blow. That's how it's working for me, at least.