Why do meleers shard their weapons with garnets?

qqpwi

why do meleers shard their weapons with garnet instead of using a some of the other shards Garnets are physical attack but why wouldn't they go for some of the other shards that enable them to deal elemental based attacks like for example alablaster shards. wouldn't using elemental based shards be better for a meleer whos looking for more rounded damage for pve and pvp wise as in fighting other HA and LA and physical mobs

Krisnda - Lost City

1 reason, they are melee fighters, not magic. They don't need magic (elemental) damage because as a BM, barb, sin, archer, whatever, they only need to do 1 thing: deal a lot of damage. I do understand what your saying, but it just doesn't happen.

Xoria - Sanctuary

I would think that the elemental damage gained from putting in those shards would be minuscule. At least garnets add to the already existing physical attack strength melee possess.

In PvE, some monsters would probably take reduced damage according to what is put into a weapon. IE: Fire mobs taking less damage from metal gemmed weapons.

Montcalm - Archosaur

I'm pretty sure that sharding a weapon with an elemental shard doesnt add magic damage to your attack. It only adds damage to magic damage of its element. Thus, it really only works for magic-users. Also not all meleers use garnet. I personally use amber b:pleased (partly cause my accuracy sucks...)

Sconzy - Archosaur

Montcalm - Archosaur wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that sharding a weapon with an elemental shard doesnt add magic damage to your attack. It only adds damage to magic damage of its element. Thus, it really only works for magic-users. Also not all meleers use garnet. I personally use amber b:pleased (partly cause my accuracy sucks...)

Adding elemental shards actually deals elemental dmg. Say if u use ruby shard, u deal fire dmg. I have tested it with my alt bm a lot of times, n i deal more dmg to metal mobs, which r weak to fire dmg.

qqpwi

yes they are physical damagers, but wouldnt sharding elemental shards be better for doing more damage agaisnt physical mobs, who have a stronger resistance to p. attack then elemental, and Heavy Armour and Light Armour fighter who have far less elemtal resistance compared to their p. attack, i also notice lots of pkers shard their armour with garnets, wouldn't elemtal shards, dealing more damage be better off then garnets on the weapon being less resisted agaisnt those garnets and D. lvl shards on them pkers

Furries - Dreamweaver

Montcalm - Archosaur wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that sharding a weapon with an elemental shard doesnt add magic damage to your attack. It only adds damage to magic damage of its element. Thus, it really only works for magic-users. Also not all meleers use garnet. I personally use amber b:pleased (partly cause my accuracy sucks...)

no thats incorrect, i DOES add elemental damage to melee attacks, however that damage doesn't get affected by your weapon mastery becuase it isn't physical. and therefore does less than garnets which DO work with weapon masteries.

qqpwi

Montcalm - Archosaur wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that sharding a weapon with an elemental shard doesnt add magic damage to your attack. It only adds damage to magic damage of its element. Thus, it really only works for magic-users. Also not all meleers use garnet. I personally use amber b:pleased (partly cause my accuracy sucks...)

from my personal experience why would those selected people shard there weapons with elemental then. also from my personal experience as an archer, why dooes my buff at 89 give me extra fire damage if it is no use, at all?

qqpwi

Montcalm - Archosaur wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that sharding a weapon with an elemental shard doesnt add magic damage to your attack. It only adds damage to magic damage of its element. Thus, it really only works for magic-users. Also not all meleers use garnet. I personally use amber b:pleased (partly cause my accuracy sucks...)

also why would wizzies buff meleers with there water dmg buff?

qqpwi

Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »

no thats incorrect, i DOES add elemental damage to melee attacks, however that damage doesn't get affected by your weapon mastery becuase it isn't physical. and therefore does less than garnets which DO work with weapon masteries.

not sure about that could be right

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Oh. God.

/facepalm

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

qqpwi wrote: »

also why would wizzies buff meleers with there water dmg buff?

'Cause that buff only works for melee users. lol
Similar to the blazing arrow buff that archers have. It adds extra water damage to their normal physical attacks.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

elemental shards add elemental damage to physical hits
elemental shards do not add elemental damage to magic spells.

garnets are added to physical attack and are multiplied buy strength or dex, depending on which stat the weapon is based on. same with sapphires on magic weapons.

the same is not true for elemental shards, which will only add raw elemental damage to the hit, which is then reduced by the targets defense.

a wizard's water buff has the same effect of adding a water elemental shard to a melee character's weapon, it does nothing for magic attacks. a magic spell is based on a calculation that does not take into account elemental attack, only magic attack, weapon attack, and a constant.

a melee character can get some benefit out of sharding elemental shards, but those benefits are far lower than with a same grade garnet, the garnets +p.attack will be calculated into base physical damage, elementals are not, and are purely added each time there is a successful hit.

qqpwi

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Oh. God.

/facepalm

whats so funny, mind helping to explain to a noob and all those people who uses elemental shards in game? mr smarty pants, facepalming himself looking at "fail" forums which were intended to help out people in the first place

Eoria - Harshlands

You're a troll, aren't you? I remember this same exact topic coming up like a month ago.

Hint: The answer is garnets are better.

qqpwi

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

elemental shards add elemental damage to physical hits
elemental shards do not add elemental damage to magic spells.

garnets are added to physical attack and are multiplied buy strength or dex, depending on which stat the weapon is based on. same with sapphires on magic weapons.

the same is not true for elemental shards, which will only add raw elemental damage to the hit, which is then reduced by the targets defense.

a wizard's water buff has the same effect of adding a water elemental shard to a melee character's weapon, it does nothing for magic attacks. a magic spell is based on a calculation that does not take into account elemental attack, only magic attack, weapon attack, and a constant.

a melee character can get some benefit out of sharding elemental shards, but those benefits are far lower than with a same grade garnet, the garnets +p.attack will be calculated into base physical damage, elementals are not, and are purely added each time there is a successful hit.

How is these elemental damage calculated? Would it not hurt more if your going against like a HA or LA which are far weaker in e. def then p. def?

qqpwi

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

You're a troll, aren't you? I remember this same exact topic coming up like a month ago.

Hint: The answer is garnets are better.

that really doesnt help. im trying to find out why. not just a flat out blank answer plz. and stop hating on a noob who wants to find out the anwser to his problems. like above try helping out plz instead of giving me blank anwsers and calling me names, just fyi ms. thisguysatroll, i want to know to because perfect e. shards are 100k each in game and flawless garnets are still higher than them, are p. e shards not as good as flawless garents on a meleer?

Yulk - Heavens Tear

For more damage, obvious.

I only use citrines or garnets on weapon. Best choices, Citrines, garnets and sapphire to armor .

Eoria - Harshlands

qqpwi wrote: »

that really doesnt help. im trying to find out why. not just a flat out blank answer plz. and stop hating on a noob who wants to find out the anwser to his problems. like above try helping out plz instead of giving me blank anwsers and calling me names, just fyi ms. thisguysatroll, i want to know to because perfect e. shards are 100k each in game and flawless garnets are still higher than them, are p. e shards not as good as flawless garents on a meleer?

Elemental shards are **** and worthless and can be gotten as a drop from any world boss. That's why they're so cheap.

Furries - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

elemental shards add elemental damage to physical hits
elemental shards do not add elemental damage to magic spells.

garnets are added to physical attack and are multiplied buy strength or dex, depending on which stat the weapon is based on. same with sapphires on magic weapons.

the same is not true for elemental shards, which will only add raw elemental damage to the hit, which is then reduced by the targets defense.

a wizard's water buff has the same effect of adding a water elemental shard to a melee character's weapon, it does nothing for magic attacks. a magic spell is based on a calculation that does not take into account elemental attack, only magic attack, weapon attack, and a constant.

a melee character can get some benefit out of sharding elemental shards, but those benefits are far lower than with a same grade garnet, the garnets +p.attack will be calculated into base physical damage, elementals are not, and are purely added each time there is a successful hit.

Yeah that's what i was trying to say XD

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Elemental shards are **** and worthless and can be gotten as a drop from any world boss. That's why they're so cheap.

Even though I find Eoria an epic noob at pvp (lol), I agree elemental shards are pathetic and should always be avoided, you might as well be a veno since they are mind numbingly op to the point of boring.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

its not calculated at all.

g9 elemental shard adds 80 elemental damage, which is reduced by opponents defense of that elements if their damage reduction% is 50 (about 4000 elemental defense, pretty average unbuffed HA class) than each successful melee hit will do 40 damage in that element. if your a physical class going after a robe class you'll do between 10 and 20 extra damage, which is complete junk. fighting against players this will be reduced by 3/4 leaving you with 10 extra damage per hit on an unbuffed HA and between 2 and 4 extra damage on a AA, so pretty much useless.

on a mob, your gonna see roughly an additional 50 points of damage

so yeah, useless.

Sanctam - Dreamweaver

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For more damage, obvious.

I only use citrines or garnets on weapon. Best choices, Citrines, garnets and sapphire to armor .

Oh look, yulk is back. Oh look, he's giving bad advice again. Citrines? Really? On weapons?

qqpwi

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For more damage, obvious.

I only use citrines or garnets on weapon. Best choices, Citrines, garnets and sapphire to armor .

yeah why though,b:angry why do those high level clawers go with perfect elemental shards instead of immac garnets, flawless garnets? etc.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

its not calculated at all.

g9 elemental shard adds 80 elemental damage, which is reduced by opponents defense of that elements if their damage reduction% is 50 (about 4000 elemental defense, pretty average unbuffed HA class) than each successful melee hit will do 40 damage in that element. if your a physical class going after a robe class you'll do between 10 and 20 extra damage, which is complete junk. fighting against players this will be reduced by 3/4 leaving you with 10 extra damage per hit on an unbuffed HA and between 2 and 4 extra damage on a AA, so pretty much useless.

on a mob, your gonna see roughly an additional 50 points of damage

so yeah, useless.

Why would you want to use elemental shards when there is apoth?

Sanctam - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh look, yulk is back. Oh look, he's giving bad advice again. Citrines? Really? On weapons?

No Yulk was never here, and I'd rather use citrines than ruby shards b:bye . What's wrong with citrines on armor and weapon? b:cute. I don't need too much P.ATK anyway.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

qqpwi wrote: »

yeah why though,b:angry why do those high level clawers go with perfect elemental shards instead of immac garnets, flawless garnets? etc.

because they're idiots who didnt do any research, and saw a bigger number on the elemental shard than on the garnet. or they're being funny/put junk in the socket till they can get a garnet gem.

putting a citrine on a weapon is just plain stupid. (so is putting a Diamond of Tiger)

qqpwi

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Elemental shards are **** and worthless and can be gotten as a drop from any world boss. That's why they're so cheap.

if so, why do people still shard them instead of going for like a flawless garnet which are just a mire 160k.

thats just a lil 60k more then perfect elemental shard, which i a few high lvlers use

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why would you want to use elemental shards when there is apoth?

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you wouldn't want to use elemental shards. learn to read.

qqpwi

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because they're idiots who didnt do any research, and saw a bigger number on the elemental shard than on the garnet. or they're being funny/put junk in the socket till they can get a garnet gem.

putting a citrine on a weapon is just plain stupid. (so is putting a Diamond of Tiger)

ahhh b:victory

Sanctam - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because they're idiots who didnt do any research, and saw a bigger number on the elemental shard than on the garnet. or they're being funny/put junk in the socket till they can get a garnet gem.

putting a citrine on a weapon is just plain stupid. (so is putting a Diamond of Tiger)

Nothing makes me rage more than seeing a gold fc weapon or other high level weapon with DoT in it, and no other ones in their armor. Means idiots make more money than me QQ.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because they're idiots who didnt do any research, and saw a bigger number on the elemental shard than on the garnet. or they're being funny/put junk in the socket till they can get a garnet gem.

putting a citrine on a weapon is just plain stupid. (so is putting a Diamond of Tiger)

1. Agreed. Again, putting on crazy stone shards on a weapon when there is something like wave orb, flame orb, etc? There is apoth that DOES the same purpose. On top of that , there are self buffs from barb (wood) and BM (fire).

2. If putting citrines on a weapon is stupid, then explain why untamed race take forever to take down (pure vit *cough*)