Farming

MsSerenity - Lost City

since i cant find a thread of this im going to make one im a lower level veno in the mid 50's anybody got a good place to farm drops for a herc fund? im using my glacial/ark wanderer atm =D any help would be loved im in kings feast and around there and the lower FC farming DQ and things since its 2X tyvm all

MsSerenity

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Shrunchkins. Or if you do enough damage kill those three gang leaders that continuously spawn in the same place by that house just east/southeast of Tusk Town. With my veno and cleric I'd take training eso's before there was ever hyper and grind there.

Yindra - Sanctuary

It won't "fund" you a hercules anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about gold drops and instead go for "other" stuff. I like to use One Man Army quests as a guideline where to go for grinding. Reputation might be useless and 25 OMAs for just one Mirage isn't exactly fast, but it's still a better "reward" than none at all.

Or I guess you could also go for dragon points nowadays.

tweakz

You have quests to keep you busy at that level. I'd wait til at least your 70's to start grinding toward one, you'll be earning faster that way. In the mean time learn some merchanting.

Waterfal - Sanctuary

Shrunchkins do drop good indeed ^^ I remember grinding for hours on those things xD
Though grinding alone wont get you a herc since it's quite expensive...
You could consider merchanting since a lot of people make loads of money with it. (I myself suck at merchanting, so I'm always broke)

One man army's are nice Since besides ofcourse the money you get from drops you also get some reputation which you can never have too much off b:chuckle
+ the new dq points b:cute

tweakz

I think the DQ points took away the incentive to bother turning in OMA's over and over. Get to lvl 100+ also, and you can easily make 300+ rep a day. I don't think rank is even worth bothering with much until then.

Waterfal - Sanctuary

true, but if you're killing stuff anyway it's a small add to your efforts and it wont hurt getting a little reputation every now and then

Alphae - Lost City

Mmm I think especially for venos, once you hit 6k rep, the only reason to go further is the rings, so it's not a huge rush, might as well wait past that point. At least in my opinion. Other classes might have more incentive.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

If you want to grind for a herc i would recommend you waited until at least 7x so you can work the pirates in Nightscream Island. Get a pet with fully maxed Bash, Solandri has demonstrated it pays for itself and should help you get towards your goal faster. The paradox is that while your money making potential increases as you level, herc really shines at the 8x level range so you'd want to get it before that. You should try to invest on setting up a good merchanting operation before then and grind as much as you can, but it would be faster, and more effective, to do the grinding at the higher level range. For early 6x i recommend the land vipents, just choose a spot in which you're unlikely to go in the water.

tweakz

Waterfal - Sanctuary wrote: »

true, but if you're killing stuff anyway it's a small add to your efforts and it wont hurt getting a little reputation every now and then

You don't get it. It's not worth the time to stop grinding. Maybe if it's on the way too and fro, but

Alphae wrote:

Mmm I think especially for venos, once you hit 6k rep, the only reason to go further is the rings, so it's not a huge rush, might as well wait past that point. At least in my opinion. Other classes might have more incentive.

The rings suck even for 35k rep. Beamhoof Slicer, Pataka, rank 8 ring, and channeling shirts is where it's at for me.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

Mmm I think especially for venos, once you hit 6k rep, the only reason to go further is the rings, so it's not a huge rush, might as well wait past that point. At least in my opinion. Other classes might have more incentive.

The rank 5 and rank 6 armor are not bad replacements for TT90 armor, especially considering they always come with 3 or 4 sockets. Not so much rank 5, but definitely rank 6.

TT90 pants
Rank 5 pants

TT90 shirt
Rank 6 shirt

35k is a lot of rep, but with the new DQ system most of you lower level folks should be able to hit it by the time you're in the mid-90s (my calcs say you can hit it with ~100 days of play if you're already in the 90s). The rank 6 shirt nicely solves the problem of the GBA boss being buffed up to where he's near-impossible for a level 90ish group.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

If you are looking for basic way of making money now by farming go out kill mobs pick up drops sell to merchants rinse and repeat.

Alphae - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

You don't get it. It's not worth the time to stop grinding. Maybe if it's on the way too and fro, but



The rings suck even for 35k rep. Beamhoof Slicer, Pataka, rank 8 ring, and channeling shirts is where it's at for me.

Mm I was talking about the L60 rank top, that's where a lot of venos stop. But yeah, rank 8 is a sexy ring. Just not sure it's worth 200k rep when the money could be spent elsewhere.

Zairi - Dreamweaver

The thing is: the time you spend to get to the NPC, turn in, get quest and go back is only worth it/not makeing you loose profit if you grind realy close to the OMA quest giver.

Many times you need so much time to get there that now with the DQ point system you basically loose the DQ drops you could have made when you just kept grinding. Looking at how fast 1k DQ is made you loose more rep by doing OMAs then by doing them not and further you loose the money from the DQ too which could have been used to buy the mirage celstone.

I would only do them if the NPC for it is like next to the grind spot.

Silest - Sanctuary

Wasn't the rep you get from OMA's nerfed a while back anyway to the point of doing them being worthless?

Alphae - Lost City

Zairi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The thing is: the time you spend to get to the NPC, turn in, get quest and go back is only worth it/not makeing you loose profit if you grind realy close to the OMA quest giver.

Many times you need so much time to get there that now with the DQ point system you basically loose the DQ drops you could have made when you just kept grinding. Looking at how fast 1k DQ is made you loose more rep by doing OMAs then by doing them not and further you loose the money from the DQ too which could have been used to buy the mirage celstone.

I would only do them if the NPC for it is like next to the grind spot.

This is basically the problem--it's so easy to get rep now that there's no reason to do OMAs when the NPC isn't right near the area where you're grinding.

The only time I do OMAs is when I'm doing a quest, kill XX of such and such mob, and that mob happens to have an OMA. Might as well do it, then.

Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wasn't the rep you get from OMA's nerfed a while back anyway to the point of doing them being worthless?

I'm not sure about any nerf, but I think when I do an OMA in hell I get 3? rep. Possible. Not that much.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

The DQ91 stuff gives 30 DP each. 1000 are needed for a wraith's officer's badge for 25 rep. So each DQ91 is worth 25 rep/badge * (1/1000) badge/DP * 30 DP/DQ item = 0.75 rep/DQ item.

The DQ100 stuff (not labeled as DQ, but in the game and gives DP) is worth 35 DP each. So they're worth 30*30/1000 = 0.9 rep each.

The One Man Army quests only give you 1-3 rep, which is absolutely horrid compared to the rep you can get from high level DQ drops now. From a rep standpoint, this game is going to be very different for newer people than for those of us who leveled scraping for every rep point we could get.

Liebe - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

You don't get it. It's not worth the time to stop grinding. Maybe if it's on the way too and fro, but



The rings suck even for 35k rep. Beamhoof Slicer, Pataka, rank 8 ring, and channeling shirts is where it's at for me.

I'd love the Beamhoof Slicer, but not gonna worry about it til 100 when I can get a lot of rep, like you said in an earlier post. Makes life easier eh?

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Liebe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'd love the Beamhoof Slicer, but not gonna worry about it til 100 when I can get a lot of rep, like you said in an earlier post. Makes life easier eh?

It is much easier to get the beamhoof's rep requirement at later levels, but keep in mind that you also need one of each of the 7 signs. While they're also easier to get at higher levels, you should be high enough to start farming those as well. (Assuming you want to farm them and not just buy them.)

tweakz

They changed a lot with this DQ point system. Unfortunately they catered to the whiners who've already quit if they were going to. A change to the system does not = compensation: Nothing lost is being replaced.

Card boss runs are no longer as valuable, which also changes the market for OHT mats. Those of us that farmed card bosses for double drops got screwed by the drop in value of Perfect Stones (where's our compensation -as if DQ points compensates). Most FB's are no longer worth helping on, especially with the glitch they don't compensate for (guess we didn't whine enough). The mysterious chip market was already going down and now even more (as if BH's and the flood of molds didn't do enough). The value on molds is a joke now, yet people still go for the OP (over priced) TT ****. It used to be that people got flooded with pm's when it came to needing help on an FB. -Not anymore.

The DQ NPC value drop was very reasonable and solved a problem. It also made some of us look for better ways of generating income. It brought more thought and variety to playing the game for some. Now the game is headed toward mindless grinding for the non-CSers thanks to the fails that couldn't figure anything out. Blame the DQ price instead of their build / choice of equips / techniques for their fail. Rank used to be something special and now is going to be common.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Oh yeah, the drop in value of DQ items was such a blessing... How dare PWI actually listen to the majority of the player base and compensate them (in fact provide more value for npcing DQ items) for changes meant to address the situation in a different version of the game...

This doesn't create an oportunity of looking for better ways of generating income, but only hurts inocent speculators. Because we all know that while whiners got what they had coming to them when xp was made easier to acquire, TT nerfed and Frost made worthless for farming, those farming rep are uber leet pros who are so special they shouldn't be required to take a hit, like so many other players have when changes were introduced in the game. It's not like rank IX becoming available would have made anyone foresee rep eventually becoming more accesible. How dare they benefit the larger part of the comunity instead of only the no lifers and heavy CSers? What a shame...

xxxdsmer

how about just dont get a herc. period. anyone.
(or nix for that matter)

since i've started, they've turned off reflect on both of venos skills for pvp (only affects those who pvp, or are on a pvp server.. but still a pretty big deal to kill veno's buff and selfbuff for pvp)

and now they've added a b.s. "but" to Strong (the physical defense buff that comes on hercules by default). it reduces the pet's evasion to 0 when you buff it for the +150% pdef for 1h that it has always done. and this somehow makes the herc less of a tank than it usta be. just the other day me and some friends did 1-3 with 4 of us in squad with herc tanking, and yesterday we had to get TWO clerics in squad, one BBing (to keep the arcanes alive) and one RBing so we could heal enough on boss(es) to keep the herc that was tanking alive.

they're slowly nerfing venos and if we allow it to continue veno wont be worth a dam for anything, and we'll all be sitting around with pets that have a guestimated value of TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS but we wont be wanted for anything and we wont be able to do anything on our own because PWI will have slowly nerfed us to oblivion as they sit back counting the 100 dollar bills they got off of us for selling a pet to a class that, when i bought my herc, was quite the capable PvE class and fairly good in pvp... now its becoming **** in PvE and too dam squishy to PvP because the buffs dont work.

so my advice, dont get a herc. its not even just about pvp anymore, they're nerfing veno's PvE capability, and they will continue to do so if we do not stand up against it and call b.s. on it. just like BM's dont spend 200 bux to get interval gear or +10 wpns or w/e, we didnt spend 200 bux on a class for a piece of **** pet and to get our skills and our pets skills nerfed later on.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

xxxdsmer wrote: »

and now they've added a b.s. "but" to Strong (the physical defense buff that comes on hercules by default). it reduces the pet's evasion to 0 when you buff it for the +150% pdef for 1h that it has always done. and this somehow makes the herc less of a tank than it usta be. just the other day me and some friends did 1-3 with 4 of us in squad with herc tanking, and yesterday we had to get TWO clerics in squad, one BBing (to keep the arcanes alive) and one RBing so we could heal enough on boss(es) to keep the herc that was tanking alive.

Maybe I just didn't pay attention to how often the hercs got hit when under strong, but it's been this way for as long as I can remember. For aggro purposes, it's actually better for a herc to get hit more (so reflect will help with aggro).

As for keeping the herc alive, that's more a question of how high you can heal and how fast you can heal. With multiple venos, timing comes in to play as well.

Keeping the squad alive is somewhat moot when debating the capabilities of the herc. In essence, a tank is one that can take hits. Hercs do that quite well. No, a herc can't cancel aoe's and other skills, but genies can.

I often see venos that think that having a herc makes them invincible. It doesn't. Hercs are the best overall tank pet, but everything comes with limitations. Putting a couple more levels on him should solve the problem.

they're slowly nerfing venos and if we allow it to continue veno wont be worth a dam for anything, and we'll all be sitting around with pets that have a guestimated value of TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS but we wont be wanted for anything and we wont be able to do anything on our own because PWI will have slowly nerfed us to oblivion as they sit back counting the 100 dollar bills they got off of us for selling a pet to a class that, when i bought my herc, was quite the capable PvE class and fairly good in pvp... now its becoming **** in PvE and too dam squishy to PvP because the buffs dont work.

Are venos nerfed? Maybe. But similar things can be said about most non 5APS class. Heard from barbs/wizzies/psys lately?

It's true that the herc has less of a return in the traditional sense of solo TT's to gain back your coin, but there are plenty of other ways to get money with a herc, so I wouldn't say that it's nerfed.

As for being wanted, most squads prefer a herc (whether or not it's a reasonable preference for the situation is a different debate, but they are the pet of choice). And I have yet to see a squad that wouldn't like amp/lending/bramble for pve.

Squishy depends on gear choices, as proved by many venos with 5k+ p.def (and that's on the low side).

so my advice, dont get a herc. its not even just about pvp anymore, they're nerfing veno's PvE capability, and they will continue to do so if we do not stand up against it and call b.s. on it. just like BM's dont spend 200 bux to get interval gear or +10 wpns or w/e, we didnt spend 200 bux on a class for a piece of **** pet and to get our skills and our pets skills nerfed later on.

I always thought that the herc was the pve pet and the nix was the pvp pet (outside anyway). And last I checked, interval gear was pretty expensive as well. How much are Deicides going for these days?


tldr version: No, venos aren't considered the very top of the food chain anymore, but imo, the class if far from on it's way out. Herc/Nix is worth it if you use them to their potential and learn where they shine. If you can't learn these or decide to place your focus elsewhere, you can still enjoy the game without them.

tweakz

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh yeah, the drop in value of DQ items was such a blessing... How dare PWI actually listen to the majority of the player base and compensate them

A small bunch of whine butts on the forum do not represent the majority of the player base dumb butt.

xxxdsmer wrote: »

they're slowly nerfing venos and if we allow it to continue veno wont be worth a dam for anything,

I just earned Tier 2 Nirvana pants (Sacred Legate Pants), 3 DoT's imbued, and +6 refine over the 8 day 2x event while working M-F 40 hours as a veno. I didn't do any Nirvana runs either. We are still way OP in PvE.

gelnd

tweakz wrote: »

A small bunch of whine butts on the forum do not represent the majority of the player base dumb butt.

You have an amusing compulsion to insert posterior references into your posts. b:chuckle

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Yes, unfortunately the perv is strong in this one---b:chuckle

MsSerenity - Lost City

OK ENOUGH! i didnt want all the NERD RAGE~! all i did was ask NICELY WHERE TO FARM A GOOD SPOT FOR A HERC IF YOU WANT TO NERDRAGE MOAR MAKE A NEW THREAD OR GTFO! kthxbaib:kiss

tweakz

MsSerenity - Lost City wrote: »

OK ENOUGH! i didnt want all the NERD RAGE~! all i did was ask NICELY WHERE TO FARM A GOOD SPOT FOR A HERC IF YOU WANT TO NERDRAGE MOAR MAKE A NEW THREAD OR GTFO! kthxbaib:kiss

Gratz on the first nerdrage post in this thread.

MsSerenity - Lost City

tweakz please shutup nobody needs to hear from you since most of your posts end with the word "butt" i did rage in that post because people have been complaining all over T_T

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

MsSerenity - Lost City wrote: »

tweakz please shutup nobody needs to hear from you since most of your posts end with the word "butt" i did rage in that post because people have been complaining all over T_T

Though Tweakz is an experienced veno , with a lot of knowledge , his rude behaviour has made a lot of people to lose respect of him , and many threads have ended up to be the usual fight between him and other venos ,

Just ignore his trolling behaviour , and seek only the good advice in his posts b:bye

tweakz

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