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Foxgrit - Lost City

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, on the main i will admit this was a legitimate acquisition, so i stand corrected and take back my previous claim. Foxgrit 1- Manray 0



No, the independence of Texas was nothing more than a charade by english speaking protestant settlers to promote annexation into the United States, which they lobbied for even before a centralist constitution was passed in Mexico City. Foxgrit 1- Manray 1

Read your own words...

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Legally, all people in Texas were Mexicans regardless of ancestry, so there were no Americans in Texas prior to the war.

Last I checked that means that Texas was taken over by Mexicans who decided to secede from Mexico.

Edit for you: Foxgrit 2 - Manray 0

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, Wikipedia has actually been found to be as accurate as the Encyclopaedia Britannica by such independent parties as the BBC, since it also has the advantage of an active community to mantain it. As with any other source you actually need to have sufficient knowledge to use it. On the particular matter i used it for i was actually proven wrong, and i found the references provided sufficient to warrant no further research into the issue. If you had read the post you'd have actually realized this. It is the responsability of those who make a claim to back it up so unless you can produce any evidence of diplomatic recognition for the Republic of Texas by countries other than those i mentioned it is you who fails. Foxgrit 1- Manray 2

If it is so accurate then why do college professors refuse to allow information cited from a location like wikipedia?

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Gotta agree with this one... I just completed a master's thesis and citation of Wikipedia, Ask.com, and a number of other editable sources without a centralized verification agent were strictly forbidden in scholarly publications. One of our professors spoke of how a colleague found an error in a Wikipedia article, tried to correct it, only to find someone had overwritten the correction (which was cited in a refereed scientific journal) and replaced it with the incorrect information.

Wikipedia is just a forum for that amplifies the phrase "History is written by the winners" a thousand times over. As Foxgrit said, it's a joke (although some articles will have references to online sources that are refereeed and unbiased, so not completely useless either).

Edit for you again: Foxgrit 3 - Manray 0



Just for extra proof for you on how incredibly wrong you are...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manray_is_a_baddie



Foxgrit 4 - Manray 0

Is that enough proof for you? Not saying any of your supposed facts are all false just saying that your source is completely flawed.

peace out

edit: also I dont agree with that page for the most part but it does prove a point.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

Read your own words.

Last I checked that means that Texas was taken over by Mexicans who decided to secede from Mexico.

Edit for you: Foxgrit 2 - Manray 0

Yes, this would've technically made them traitors. As i've mentioned before, Texans were in fact actively lobbying in Washington and had the support of some congressmen. You think James Bowie went to the Alamo as a tourist? If you're the citizen of one nation and conspire to turn over territory from that nation to a foreign power what you're doing is in fact considered treason all over the world.

Foxgrit 1- Manray 1

If it is so accurate then why do college professors refuse to allow information cited from a location like wikipedia?

Wikipedia is meant as a source of reference, not source material. Perhaps the distinction escapes you but the fact is that while Wikipedia is not accepted in formal bibliography as the later (it shouldn't be) it is in fact widely used in research as the former. Ever written a thesis? Because i have, and can certainly tell the difference.

Foxgrit 1- Manray 2

Just for extra proof for you on how incredibly wrong you are...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manray_is_a_baddie

The page is now deleted, which actually proves the pressence of an active community fighting vandalism. And even although i don't condone that you tried to make a point in such a way (even if it did backfire) i'm actually flattered you tried to write a wikipedia article on me.

Foxgrit 1- Manray 3

Is that enough proof for you? Not saying any of your supposed facts are all false just saying that your source is completely flawed.

peace out

edit: also I dont agree with that page for the most part but it does prove a point.

And is that proof enough for you? Wikipedia is certainly sufficient for the needs of informal forum arguments, once again, this isn't academic debate. If you disagree with a Wikipedia quote all that's left for you is to actually find source material that contradicts it, because as flawed as Wikipedia may be, it is certainly more authoritative than the word of some random poster.

Pot_Head - Harshlands

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately some people in your country seem to have a rather twisted concept of what "buying" means. In most of the world we call what you get at gunpoint stealing... Oh, but you probably believe the US "bought" half of Mexico's territory...

America doesn't buy land, we take it ok?

Born_Free - Harshlands

Ssssh! Stop talking about america! You'll attract Deora! b:shocked

ugysekell

OP fails. I only spent 20 dollars on this game as a newbie (got mount and fashion), my main is lvl92 and I'm doing fine. If you're smart you don't have to waste a fortune on this game.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

And Michael, if you honestly believe nationality equals race then you have a very screwed up understanding of biology and politics...

There you go with your assumptions of what I've not said.

Which scholarly expert or government agency dictates your belief for you? Sorry, for every leading expert in their field, there are a dozen others that would disagree with them. Think this isn't one of them? lol

Ethnicity can and has been used to separate distinctions between race. The truth is, it's not a biological or anthropological determination that divines race, but that of superficial characteristics... if one were to use true genetic diversity we're either a race of 1 or hundreds, depending on how blurry your glasses are.

BTW, Mexican Americans are generally considered their own race/class/ethnicity (terms are mostly interchangable), so you lose.

b:bye

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manray_is_a_baddie

Epic!

b:chuckle

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Pot_Head - Harshlands wrote: »

America doesn't buy land, we take it ok?

That's all i'm saying man.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

There you go with your assumptions of what I've not said.

Which scholarly expert or government agency dictates your belief for you? Sorry, for every leading expert in their field, there are a dozen others that would disagree with them. Think this isn't one of them? lol

Ethnicity can and has been used to separate distinctions between race. The truth is, it's not a biological or anthropological determination that divines race, but that of superficial characteristics... if one were to use true genetic diversity we're either a race of 1 or hundreds, depending on how blurry your glasses are.

BTW, Mexican Americans are generally considered their own race/class/ethnicity (terms are mostly interchangable), so you lose.

You do make a good point although i will say the intervening if clause does make your rant about my making assumptions rather unnecessary. As for Mexican Americans being considered their own ethnicity that's only a cultural distinction made in your country. No doubt one quarter Philipino Ruso-Iraninan Americans are also considered a distinctive ethnicity, but that's simply a part of the unique way in which your people seem almost obsessed to divide themselves. In my country we are all just Mexicans.

Epic!

b:chuckle

b:laugh I actually agree.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

You do make a good point although i will say the intervening if clause does make your rant about my making assumptions rather unnecessary. As for Mexican Americans being considered their own ethnicity that's only a cultural distinction made in your country. No doubt one quarter Philipino Ruso-Iraninan Americans are also considered a distinctive ethnicity, but that's simply a part of the unique way in which your people seem almost obsessed to divide themselves. In my country we are all just Mexicans.

Umm, it's not just some cultural/ethnic creation of people in America. You yourself state "In my country we are all just Mexicans".... you are no longer white (Spanish) nor either of the several Native American genetic lines that pre-existed(... So you're either classifying yourself as a race with shared ethnicity or you're just a bastardized hybridization... but even that argument with the injection of Spanish genetic and cultural material into the population so long ago, that there have been enough generations to classify you as a separate race). It honestly doesn't matter. It's 2010, ethic division now is either artificial or dissolving.

In any event, I don't particularly give a damn who is what. There's probably more genetic diversity in potatoes than there are humans. The only thing that has really come from classifying people between specific racial lines, historically, is a determination of who is safe to hate or kill.

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Lately since ive returned it does seem less and less friendly in this game to starting players and those who dont cash shop, Its becoming a prevalent and observable fact that its harder to find BH teams TT runs and i havnt seen anyone doing a Rebirth in what seems like forever.
Those who have made their way to the top arent in anyway forced to help and if they dont want to thats fine, I myself am trying to encourage lower lvl players to work to form teams to do such things but this itself is something that takes time and a bit of luck gaining the help of players of your lvl and who are on at the same time.

COMBO BREAKER sorry wall of text was building

Anyway im saying that if we non cashers want to get stuff were gonna have to do a lot of team building and working together to farm TT even though i know its been made harder, I myself know its unlikely that ill be getting a full TT70 set anytime soon so im starting to look into just playing as i can, maybe using merch gear or high end 3star equips, sadly thats the state of things at this time.

OH and as for the OFF topic discussion
MANIFEST DESTINY ___ SUck it

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Umm, it's not just some cultural/ethnic creation of people in America. You yourself state "In my country we are all just Mexicans".... you are no longer white (Spanish) nor either of the several Native American genetic lines that pre-existed(... So you're either classifying yourself as a race with shared ethnicity or you're just a bastardized hybridization... but even that argument with the injection of Spanish genetic and cultural material into the population so long ago, that there have been enough generations to classify you as a separate race). It honestly doesn't matter. It's 2010, ethic division now is either artificial or dissolving.

In any event, I don't particularly give a damn who is what. There's probably more genetic diversity in potatoes than there are humans. The only thing that has really come from classifying people between specific racial lines, historically, is a determination of who is safe to hate or kill.

Perhaps i did not explain this properly. I myself i'm "white" while one of my best friends has all the attributes that would indicate African descent. Another close friend from high school is 2nd generation Japanese, neither of his parents speaks Spanish fluently. We all speak Spanish with the same accent however, live in the same area, go to the same bars, went to the same schools, chased the same girls...

Is not that we don't realize we look different, is just that we don't freaking care. Mexico is a multi-racial and multicultural country. It's not that mestizos have become a race of their own, what you see as a homogenic group of people is actually a large variety of different cultures and ethnicities. There are many people in my country that don't speak Spanish as a first language and it's not just Native Americans, as there are dialects such as Venetto and Plaudiestch. I was born in Sinaloa state where a large German migration settled and the culture of the region (food, music, etc.) reflects that. In fact, Mexico is so diverse that the difference amongst Mexicans themselves (say, in between Sonora and Yucatan) are much greater than those that exist amongst other Latin American countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador, Argentina and Uruguay or Colombia and Venezuela.

Now i'm not saying Mexico is a haven of racial and ethnic harmony but many of the divides that exist in the United States don't hold for us despite our diversity. For some purposes we may have become one people but we are certainly not just one culture or just one "race". Now, it may be sad to say this, but most Mexicans moving to the United States are usually people coming from rural backgrounds and with not much in the way of education or knowledge of their own culture. They assimilate into the minority mentality of the USA and ghettoize themselves. Now, i would be the first one to advocate for their return to their own country but can't blame for not being patriotic enough to starve in their own land. However they do not fully represent our culture or our country and using them to pass judgement on what Mexicans are, or not, is misguided. Theirs is a Mexican American culture. Mexicans in Mexico are very critical of the Vasconcelian concept of La Raza while they embrace it.

I live in Mexico City which is very diverse. We've got half a million Americans living here for instance. But let me put it this way. Do you think there is such a thing as an American race? Because you have been an independent nation for longer than we have and the differences amongst you, even going from New England to California, seem to be much less than what you can find in Mexico. Do you think you have diverged into something different from the people in Europe, Africa and Asia?

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Mankind must leave earth for outer space,
thats assuming he can put aside petty things long enough to ,
Find a reasonable fuel source, research the technology for long term space colonization
must establish the capability for Global Green Energy, must limit his use of petrol ,
and that is only some of what we have to do , Sorry honestly my mind thinks that most of this subject today has been petty, and personally i doubt my species likely hood to do all of this , Personally I think a virus is coming , which should reduce the worlds population greatly,

Oh wait isnt this a GAME forums, pls can we all get back to bickering over TT mat prices and how OP the fish are b:sad

Born_Free - Harshlands

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh wait isnt this a GAME forums, pls can we all get back to bickering over TT mat prices and how OP the fish are b:sad

Quit crying a roll a psychic! b:chuckle

>.> Whoops. Did we just break the "America/Mexico" blah blah blah?

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

Mankind must leave earth for outer space,
thats assuming he can put aside petty things long enough to ,
Find a reasonable fuel source, research the technology for long term space colonization
must establish the capability for Global Green Energy, must limit his use of petrol ,
and that is only some of what we have to do , Sorry honestly my mind thinks that most of this subject today has been petty, and personally i doubt my species likely hood to do all of this , Personally I think a virus is coming , which should reduce the worlds population greatly,

The future of humans, as a species, is a very scary proposition.

http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/library/Dixon_3/01_en.htm

WraithTanker - Sanctuary

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No, mexicans got their asses stomped and lost their land, wasnt theirs to begin with as they stole it by killing/****/infecting millions of Myans and Incans from "Mexico" to Peru.

Neither was the US. ijs

the Europeans killed millions of Indians cause they wouldnt leave "European Land"

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

Nah i dont wanna roll a fish now we all know those new classes are gonna be the new Tideborn b:chuckleb:chuckle

jk jk Goddess I hope they arent, but well have to wait and see it is scary to think about it
Plus as we already said, Mages are already rare and another High DD magic class will prolly put us out for good

KrittyCat - Dreamweaver

@MANray

Okay, in response to my post on race vs. Ethnicity, you stated that "ethnicity is a social construct which separates groups of people according to their own self-identification as members of a group." This would mean that your statement "In my country we are all just Mexicans" would be ethnically defining, would it not? Just clarifying...and you did say that you come from many races... So in essence, calling somebody a "dirty Mexican" (don't edit this, as I mean no harm by it; I'm merely trying to make a point) would not be racist. Rather, it would be anti-ethnic, correct?

MANray_ - Sanctuary

KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@MANray

Okay, in response to my post on race vs. Ethnicity, you stated that "ethnicity is a social construct which separates groups of people according to their own self-identification as members of a group." This would mean that your statement "In my country we are all just Mexicans" would be ethnically defining, would it not? Just clarifying...and you did say that you come from many races... So in essence, calling somebody a "dirty Mexican" (don't edit this, as I mean no harm by it; I'm merely trying to make a point) would not be racist. Rather, it would be anti-ethnic, correct?

Yes, technically it would be correct. Calling someone a "dirty Mexican" would be in the same category as calling someone a "dirty American" however, as Mexican is mostly used to indicate nationality, not ethnicity. In my opinion saying that someone is an "ethnic Mexican" is not much different than saying someone is an "ethnic European" both of which can still mean a lot of very different things. But you wouldn't use Mexican in the same context as "white" in which my best guess would be you should use the term "latino" or "hispanic" even though neither of these denote race, but seem to be used in the US to make a distinction that would refer to Latin Americans, which for some reason seem to be considered separate in most contexts in which "race" is used. I appreciate this may all seem ridiculously complex, but i am trying to accomodate American pc culture.