Dissapointed

omgwhatisntused · October 2010

Okay so there was this hope i had for PWI, that it would get to the playable point again sometime. Unfortunately it doesn't look like its going to get there. All you cash shoppers are spending WAY too much of your money on a Free to play game!! why the hell dont you play a Pay-to-play!! its a lot cheaper!!! and it would give people who dont want to spend $100s each month, on a GAME!, a chance to enjoy getting to a higher lvl in pwi. As it is at the moment you cant get or do anything 80+ without either cash shopping, knowing a cash shopper that will give u stuff, or working really hard and saving and saving and grinding for.. aww you fell just short

damn. I guess I'll quit now, I just wanted to try to get my feeling thru to ppl who spend way too much cash on this stupid game
b:sadb:bye

I would like to add that this is a really great game, with great content and graphics, but filled with stupid, greedy people

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · October 2010

its the same logic as "people who overeats". omg... why must "people who overeats" eats so much... why can't they save some for the straving/skinny people.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

its the same logic as "people who overeats". omg... why must "people who overeats" eats so much... why can't they save some for the straving/skinny people.

Well, in all fairness the people of the world might be better off without just one country consuming a good third of all the planet's resources... Just saying.

As for the OP, yes, i understand that many players go through this as PW's model has become terribly unbalanced. However this is a bussiness venture and there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Longknife - Harshlands · October 2010

It's because the Year of The Tiger packs have better drop rates for good items, and the cash shoppers know this.

Don't worry, the red messages will stop and gold will drop again when Lucky Corals are put back in the shop.

Derressh - Dreamweaver · October 2010

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

It's because the Year of The Tiger packs have better drop rates for good items, and the cash shoppers know this.

Don't worry, the red messages will stop and gold will drop again when Lucky Corals are put back in the shop.

Next time you log in, scroll down slightly under Shop > Packs. b:cute

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2010

omgwhatisntused wrote: »

Okay so there was this hope i had for PWI, that it would get to the playable point again sometime. Unfortunately it doesn't look like its going to get there. All you cash shoppers are spending WAY too much of your money on a Free to play game!! why the hell dont you play a Pay-to-play!! its a lot cheaper!!! and it would give people who dont want to spend $100s each month, on a GAME!, a chance to enjoy getting to a higher lvl in pwi. As it is at the moment you cant get or do anything 80+ without either cash shopping, knowing a cash shopper that will give u stuff, or working really hard and saving and saving and grinding for.. aww you fell just short damn. I guess I'll quit now, I just wanted to try to get my feeling thru to ppl who spend way too much cash on this stupid game
b:sadb:bye

I would like to add that this is a really great game, with great content and graphics, but filled with stupid, greedy people

I agree especially when is not worthing game.

Game is full of bugs some of them staying for years.
Economy is ruined.
5 ats ruined all game.
Sins are horribly OP.
Without spending cash you cannot do practically anything at the end of game, which you reach in few days.

So do you want pay for this? Me not either.
Sure is Free to play, but free doesn't mean always enjoyable.

Fritigern - Lost City · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, in all fairness the people of the world might be better off without just one country buying a good third of all the planet's resources... Just saying.

As for the OP, yes, i understand that many players go through this as PW's model has become terribly unbalanced. However this is a bussiness venture and there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Corrected b:bye

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Fritigern - Lost City wrote: »

Corrected b:bye

Unfortunately some people in your country seem to have a rather twisted concept of what "buying" means. In most of the world we call what you get at gunpoint stealing... Oh, but you probably believe the US "bought" half of Mexico's territory...

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately some people in your country seem to have a rather twisted concept of what "buying" means. In most of the world we call what you get at gunpoint stealing... Oh, but you probably believe the US "bought" half of Mexico's territory...

just like how all the +10 walks over the +5... the +5 can moan and whine all about it... but can't do jack **** about anything.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately some people in your country seem to have a rather twisted concept of what "buying" means. In most of the world we call what you get at gunpoint stealing... Oh, but you probably believe the US "bought" half of Mexico's territory...

No, mexicans got their asses stomped and lost their land, wasnt theirs to begin with as they stole it by killing/****/infecting millions of Myans and Incans from "Mexico" to Peru.

DemansPsy - Lost City · October 2010

omgwhatisntused wrote: »

Okay so there was this hope i had for PWI, that it would get to the playable point again sometime. Unfortunately it doesn't look like its going to get there. All you cash shoppers are spending WAY too much of your money on a Free to play game!! why the hell dont you play a Pay-to-play!! its a lot cheaper!!! and it would give people who dont want to spend $100s each month, on a GAME!, a chance to enjoy getting to a higher lvl in pwi. As it is at the moment you cant get or do anything 80+ without either cash shopping, knowing a cash shopper that will give u stuff,OR KNOWING THE MEANING OF THE WORD MERCH or working really hard and saving and saving and grinding for.. aww you fell just short damn. I guess I'll quit now, I just wanted to try to get my feeling thru to ppl who spend way too much cash on this stupid game
b:sadb:bye

I would like to add that this is a really great game, with great content and graphics, but filled with stupid, greedy people

fixed for ya, also idk what u tlakin aobut, iv made 2 chacters lv 100 and i can make over 20mil/week w/o doin things like nirvana or HH, and iv NEVER touched the cashshop

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

just like how all the +10 walks over the +5... the +5 can moan and whine all about it... but can't do jack **** about anything.

Yes, you're absolutely right. A country of 20 million goes to war with one of 8 million that's in the midst of a civil war to take away their land. Your analogy speaks very highly of your own character.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No, mexicans got their asses stomped and lost their land, wasnt theirs to begin with as they stole it by killing/****/infecting millions of Myans and Incans from "Mexico" to Peru.

Get your facts straight, it was Spaniards and other Europeans who comitted these crimes. Mexicans are the children of both, and heirs to both their legacies... And no Mexican ever comitted a crime against Incas, the people who went along with the Conquistadores were actually Aztec.

This is so not the forum to discuss this...

Kataguruma - Harshlands · October 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No, mexicans got their asses stomped and lost their land, wasnt theirs to begin with as they stole it by killing/****/infecting millions of Myans and Incans from "Mexico" to Peru.

Thats why i love pwi forum, this starts in topic and always finish off-topic......You guys are funny
But what you said is unfortunatly true.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Kataguruma - Harshlands wrote: »

Thats why i love pwi forum, this starts in topic and always finish off-topic......You guys are funny
But what you said is unfortunatly true.

It's not, try opening a history book once in a while...

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, you're absolutely right. A country of 20 million goes to war with one of 8 million that's in the midst of a civil war to take away their land. Your analogy speaks very highly of your own character.

Get your facts straight, it was Spaniards and other Europeans who comitted these crimes. Mexicans are the children of both, and heirs to both their legacies... And no Mexican ever comitted a crime against Incas, the people who went along with the Conquistadores were actually Aztec.

This is so not the forum to discuss this...

Then using your logic, no american ever "stole" 1/2 of Mexico.

Also, wasn't the area now known as Texas owned by Spain?

See how that works? Get your "blames" right before you make them.

Edit: When I said Mayan, I meant Aztec.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · October 2010

omgwhatisntused wrote: »

All you cash shoppers are spending WAY too much of your money on a Free to play game!! why the hell dont you play a Pay-to-play!! its a lot cheaper!!! and it would give people who dont want to spend $100s each month, on a GAME!, a chance to enjoy getting to a higher lvl in pwi.

The more people who spend real money to sell Gold, the lower Gold prices are, and the lower Gold prices are the cheaper items are in-game for the F2P players.

I mean, hey, if you don't care about reality or facts are are just looking to rant, I guess go right ahead. But blaming cash-shoppers for high prices is rationally and factually nonsense. They're actually the ones pushing prices down.

Prices are the way they are primarily due to the way PWI has structured Pack sales, because that sets the basic economic framework and commodity exchange rates, while players can only push prices somewhat up or down within that framework depending upon how much grinding/farming/cash-shopping they are doing.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then using your logic, no american ever "stole" 1/2 of Mexico.

I'm pretty sure it was the United States who did this.

Also, wasn't the area now known as Texas owned by Spain?

Not after independence. Texans all swore the Mexican constitution.

See how that works? Get your "blames" right before you make them.

I'm not playing blame games but merely pointing to historical fact. By the values of my own country (La tierra es de quien la trabaja) the former lands of Mexico do now legitimately belong to Americans. It doesn't mean we should sugarcoat history or avoid the truth, they were taken by force.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it was the United States who did this.

Not after independence. Texans all swore the Mexican constitution.

I'm not playing blame games but merely pointing to historical fact. By the values of my own country (La tierra es de quien la trabaja) the former lands of Mexico do now legitimately belong to Americans. It doesn't mean we should sugarcoat history or avoid the truth, they were taken by force.

As they have been more than once, you can't say Z took it from X without saying X took it from Y so on and so forth.

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear · October 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then using your logic, no american ever "stole" 1/2 of Mexico.

Also, wasn't the area now known as Texas owned by Spain?

See how that works? Get your "blames" right before you make them.

So defensive b:laugh

I love Americans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFUQ0GYdrsM

Anyway, this is how free-to-play MMO's go as long as there is a cash shop. You can cry and moan all you want, doesn't make a difference. I see the same topic come up every week about the same thing. People with money can choose to spend it on entertainment (PWI), as much or little as they want, will have an advantage over none paying players.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

As they have been more than once, you can't say Z took it from X without saying X took it from Y so on and so forth.

Mexico was at that time a nation mostly populated by Native Americans, the land was twice ours, as heirs to New Spain and as the original inhabitants. Slavery was abolished as soon as Mexico was born and there was legal equality for all races. Except for Alaska, Americans stole all the land they did not inherit from England.

You may not think so but there's certainly a difference to me...

Michael_Dark - Lost City · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately some people in your country seem to have a rather twisted concept of what "buying" means. In most of the world we call what you get at gunpoint stealing... Oh, but you probably believe the US "bought" half of Mexico's territory...

Way to start a racial troll thread.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is so not the forum to discuss this...

But you felt the need to start it.

Great job your highness.

b:bye

Aelo - Harshlands · October 2010

To be honest as a BM I feel pressured to have decent gear. I know how the original poster feels. I mean I like my buddha fist but almost evey cash shopped bm has 85gold fist and its not to say that they are slightly or even moderately better than the tt80 fist, they are way better. So PvP wise I see a bm switch to his 85gold and I hang my head in shame. Its not like I can't fight back but its not like I can go on skill alone. He (which means most of them) are also sporting a warsoul helm for that bonus 500-700 hp that my poor 3 star gear can't get anywhere close to.

I feel as if the benefits of the cash shopped gear go too far. Sure it has to be better but omg that much better? As it is I feel proud of my Heaven's Flame being lvl 8 and hopefully soon I can max it out but once I get around to lvl 90 I'll feel like hiding my bm cause it will look like utter ......... compared to a whole set I've seen. I play the class still because I like it and want to hit lvl 90 (and eventually 100) but everything cost so much when you think you have achieved something you see a cash shopped bm roll pass and you realise you are nothing more than a subpar version. Sure I have skill and I play my character very well IMO but in terms of PVP how do you compete? look for other non-cash shoppers or pk lowbies? the playing field is so widely spread apart that I look in WC and see that things like need intv bm for nirvana. Heck even if I want tt90 gold axe it will cost me ............

the op is right. Past lvl 80 requires a measure of money regardless of how you earn it that goes well beyond what the ordinary f2p player can afford. Unless you posses patience as a f2p player 80 seems like a lvl cap all of its own. Except for the few who boast getting to lvl 100 without spending a dime, many of the players I see who are at the top have used the cash shop to get there.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mexico was at that time a nation mostly populated by Native Americans, the land was twice ours, as heirs to New Spain and as the original inhabitants. Slavery was abolished as soon as Mexico was born and there was legal equality for all races. Except for Alaska, Americans stole all the land they did not inherit from England.

You may not think so but there's certainly a difference to me...

They bought Alaska from Russia as well as some of the former Mexican lands although this is going way OT.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mexico was at that time a nation mostly populated by Native Americans, the land was twice ours, as heirs to New Spain and as the original inhabitants. Slavery was abolished as soon as Mexico was born and there was legal equality for all races. Except for Alaska, Americans stole all the land they did not inherit from England.

You may not think so but there's certainly a difference to me...

Americans outnumbered Mexicans in the Texas territory, mexican dictator tried to impose taxes and tariffs on the people which they rejected so Mexico forced a war, got their butts kicked and then it was recognized as the Republic of Texas, only later did it become a part of america.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Way to start a racial troll thread.

But you felt the need to start it.

Great job your highness.

b:bye

You seem to have missed the SOME in that sentence. I'll admit i may have indulged in some tongue in cheek humor previously, but that was a legitimate answer to a previous poster. And once again, Mexicans are not a race.

Yes, i know this may be confusing to you but sometimes history and geopolitics do pop up as conversation topics...

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2010

Aelo - Harshlands wrote: »

To be honest as a BM I feel pressured to have decent gear. I know how the original poster feels. I mean I like my buddha fist but almost evey cash shopped bm has 85gold fist and its not to say that they are slightly or even moderately better than the tt80 fist, they are way better. So PvP wise I see a bm switch to his 85gold and I hang my head in shame. Its not like I can't fight back but its not like I can go on skill alone. He (which means most of them) are also sporting a warsoul helm for that bonus 500-700 hp that my poor 3 star gear can't get anywhere close to.

I feel as if the benefits of the cash shopped gear go too far. Sure it has to be better but omg that much better? As it is I feel proud of my Heaven's Flame being lvl 8 and hopefully soon I can max it out but once I get around to lvl 90 I'll feel like hiding my bm cause it will look like utter ......... compared to a whole set I've seen. I play the class still because I like it and want to hit lvl 90 (and eventually 100) but everything cost so much when you think you have achieved something you see a cash shopped bm roll pass and you realise you are nothing more than a subpar version. Sure I have skill and I play my character very well IMO but in terms of PVP how do you compete? look for other non-cash shoppers or pk lowbies? the playing field is so widely spread apart that I look in WC and see that things like need intv bm for nirvana. Heck even if I want tt90 gold axe it will cost me ............

the op is right. Past lvl 80 requires a measure of money regardless of how you earn it that goes well beyond what the ordinary f2p player can afford. Unless you posses patience as a f2p player 80 seems like a lvl cap all of its own. Except for the few who boast getting to lvl 100 without spending a dime, many of the players I see who are at the top have used the cash shop to get there.

100% agree.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

You seem to have missed the SOME in that sentence. I'll admit i may have indulged in some tongue in cheek humor previously, but that was a legitimate answer to a previous poster. And once again, Mexicans are not a race.

Yes, North American Hispanics aren't a race, they're what... a species like rodents... like vermin, eh? Is that where you wanted me to go with that?

/obvioussarcasm

Yes, i know this may be confusing to you but sometimes history and geopolitics do pop up as conversation topics...

lol, yes history has a real relevance to being disappointed with a game.

/facepalm

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Americans outnumbered Mexicans in the Texas territory, mexican dictator tried to impose taxes and tariffs on the people which they rejected so Mexico forced a war, got their butts kicked and then it was recognized as the Republic of Texas, only later did it become a part of america.

Legally, all people in Texas were Mexicans regardless of ancestry, so there were no Americans in Texas prior to the war. Also, legally, the Republic of Texas never existed, it was never recognized by any country other than the United States, and according to international law Texas was a part of Mexican territory, which only Mexico had any right to recognize independence to. The US Supreme Court would ironically side with Mexico today according to how it later ruled in similar scenarios.

Learn your own history, there is such a thing as historical fact.

KrittyCat - Dreamweaver · October 2010

*Looks at OP*

Okay, I can understand the sentiment...

*Looks at thread since about the middle of page 2*

Wow guys...seriously? Can we at least stay NEAR the topic at hand? ...geez...

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yes, North American Hispanics aren't a race, they're what... a species like rodents... like vermin, eh? Is that where you wanted me to go with that?

/obvioussarcasm

Hispanic is an ethnic and not a racial classification. I'm myself descended from Vicegoths (a Scandinavian people) and have no Native American ancestry but wouldn't be considered "white" in your country. I actually take pride in that...

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Legally, all people in Texas were Mexicans regardless of ancestry, so there were no Americans in Texas prior to the war. Also, legally, the Republic of Texas never existed, it was never recognized by any country other than the United States, and according to international law Texas was a part of Mexican territory, which only Mexico had any right to recognize independence to. The US Supreme Court would ironically side with Mexico today according to how it later ruled in similar scenarios.

Learn your own history, there is such a thing as historical fact.

After the Battle of San Jacinto, Texas was recognized as an independent republic by U.S., Britain and France.

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