Science of Phys Def

Archimboldi - Archosaur
Archimboldi - Archosaur Posts: 16 Arc User
edited November 2010 in Assassin
I've been adding str to go w/ armor along the way as I've lvled. which shows for a 1.9k phys def, which I am deliberating as my character continues to grow. The main thing I'm wondering about is phys def. I've often entered pvp and it seems like regardless of my hp, this char suffers a lot from phys damage. I mean, miss is a god send, but mostly i get hit by barb/fist bm an im going down preetty soon even w/ me deaden nerve. So I've been strategizing and experimenting w/ calculator and figured, well what is 5000 phys def worth for a lvl 80 sin, w hp at 5k?
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    o.0
    I would like to know how you plan to achieve that. I have 2627 phys def with a **** load of flawless garnets and 3635 HP with a hybrid build vit of 40 boosted to 54 with gear.
    You planning on sharding perfects into full TT80 gold?

    To answer your question, get a BM with lvl 10 bell to buff you and you should see close to 5k def.
    Ad for 5k HP, you're talking the HP of a near end-game pure dex sin with loads of cits.
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  • Archimboldi - Archosaur
    Archimboldi - Archosaur Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yea, garnet gems w the addition of 3 scholars tome for phys def... Hp coming from various items. What i am not sure about is how much phys def would be applicable for pvp vs going pure dex.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Archimboldi - Archosaur wrote: »
    scholars tome
    Care to link that tome?
    Archimboldi - Archosaur wrote: »
    Yea, garnet gems
    Um...gems cost in the millions and can only be imbued into grade 12+ gear (read: lvl 95+ gear)
    Archimboldi - Archosaur wrote: »
    What i am not sure about is how much phys def would be applicable for pvp vs going pure dex.
    You can imbue any shard(s) you want ans still be pure dex, granted you ARE pure dex; shards do not affect the name of your build.
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited October 2010
    4.9k def unbuffed:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2f58a7d4907b4822
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    volst wrote: »
    4.9k def unbuffed:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2f58a7d4907b4822
    Color me impressed. Guess I will go with Belt of the Earth as I was planning.

    However, the money it would cost to get that cape...you'd be better off power leveling and getting 9x gear.
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  • Archimboldi - Archosaur
    Archimboldi - Archosaur Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Yea immac gems can boost the phsy def, and it also seems that a tome is essential, whether regarding vit or str. But honestly is 5k in phys def all that invaluable for a sin, thats a question i'd really like to know, I mean to a small degree i could imagine so, but all in all, is it a worthwhile goal? i'd like to know, specially from someone who operates in that range of def, pvp, pve w/e, thannnks for the replies!! I'm probably gonna work toward it, see how that goes b:laugh
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  • Boojangles - Lost City
    Boojangles - Lost City Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    that may help u survive another half of a hit but unless u spend tons of money u wont have vey much hp. So ur gunna die fast anyway. if u do have alot of hp u spent godly amounts of money on that in which case u dont need defence anyway. 5k def wont save u from magic




    my good friend redhawk xiii did a test on defence vs hp. Result = unbuffed, p def does less for p damage reduction than hp (the vit shards absorb more.) of course this doesnt count for the def lvl gems
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited October 2010
    End game wise, a 5 aps bm will kill you regardless of defense if he stuns you and your genie is in cooldown. A wizard will 1-2 shot you regardless of def. You would be strong against anything level 90 or below, but that's pretty much it. You're better off stacking hp shards.

    PvE, it's good. You won't be tanking TT bosses, but good enough for frost bosses.
  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    hmm imma try Evastion shards.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    hmm imma try Evastion shards.
    How about you roll a sin and see how well those shards work for you mid to high level?
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    How about you roll a sin and see how well those shards work for you mid to high level?
    will do :D

    lvl 105 you'd have a sin that evades 60% of attacks. So mix in buffs, with shards and equipment bonuses.

    Don't remember if that was 1 str 4 dex build or an 1 str 9 dex build anyways I am done. b:victory b:bye
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Um...gems cost in the millions and can only be imbued into grade 12+ gear (read: lvl 95+ gear)

    Gems can go in TT90 (grade 11) gear.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    will do :D

    lvl 105 you'd have a sin that evades 60% of attacks. So mix in buffs, with shards and equipment bonuses.

    Don't remember if that was 1 str 4 dex build or an 1 str 9 dex build anyways I am done. b:victory b:bye
    Magic and 100% accuracy attacks. Oh and good luck reaching lvl 105, I'm doneb:bye
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    Gems can go in TT90 (grade 11) gear.
    My bad. Thank you for the correction :)



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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Magic and 100% accuracy attacks. Oh and good luck reaching lvl 105, I'm doneb:bye


    My bad. Thank you for the correction :)



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    If done correctly magic would miss. The other one ... just avoid or stunlock. :)
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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    magic dont miss u dumb troll really learn how the game works before speak up or wait ur a lowlie get anything above 90 before speak such fail talk.

    b:shutup magic miss omg loool
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The other one ... just avoid
    Please tell me how you avoid unmissable attacks, because I apparently am a fail-noob for not knowing how to do thisb:surrender
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    To avoid - run away or shadow escape.

    Magic can miss happens to me every once in a while. b:victory

    Magic accuracy is 200% <-- Just need a evasion rate that is higher. -.-'
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  • BarbLord - Raging Tide
    BarbLord - Raging Tide Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Magic accuracy is 200% <-- Just need a evasion rate that is higher. -.-'

    At this point its obvious you are either a troll
    Or an idiot who knows nothing about the simplest math

    The rest of your post simply wasn't fail enough to quote
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    To avoid - run away or shadow escape.
    1: Magic is ranged
    2: Shadow escape (unless demon version) does not cancel channeling

    Stop making a fool of yourself.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    1: Magic is ranged
    2: Shadow escape (unless demon version) does not cancel channeling

    Stop making a fool of yourself.

    I forgot we were dealing with magic. ._. What is your point? Shadow Escape would cancel it unless there 10 levels higher then you.

    Tho why face them when you are at an dissavantage -.-;

    ____

    In most video games magic has 200% meaning it can't miss. However certain game do have some chars that can have evasion over 200% hence they can miss. I can only name one at the moment that I know of and that be Final Fantasy II.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    f and your point is shadow escape would cancel it unless there 10 levels higher then you.

    ____

    In most video games magic has 200% meaning it can't miss. However certain game do have some chars that can have evasion over 200% hence they can miss. I can only name one at the moment that I know of and that be Final Fantasy II.

    If one has Demon SE, they are invisible to all mage classes unless the mage uses an awareness remedy.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Well that is cool, yeah but only one faction can make aware potion at a time.

    ... less you can sell them, but that would be like selling a secret of a country. xD
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    forgot we dealing with magic
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Magic can miss happens to me every once in a while. b:victory

    Magic accuracy is 200% <-- Just need a evasion rate that is higher. -.-'

    No you didn't forget.
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    In most video games magic has 200% meaning it can't miss. However certain game do have some chars that can have evasion over 200% hence they can miss. I can only name one at the moment that I know of and that be Final Fantasy II.
    This isn't most video games, this is a computer game; what's more, it's an MMO. Don't apply game mechanics from one game to another game and assume it's correct. Do your research on the actual game mechanics before you argue on them.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No you didn't forget.

    This isn't most video games, this is a computer game; what's more, it's an MMO. Don't apply game mechanics from one game to another game and assume it's correct. Do your research on the actual game mechanics before you argue on them.

    Actually I did forget it because I just awoken when I typed that. The two subjects were two different things as well. The origenal subject was explaining how a sin has a better ability to miss magic. The second subject was saying that you could dodge there magic attacks altogether by using Shadow Escape. Shadow Escape or Demon SE can dodge there magic attacks when your in stealth mode. Hence you don't need to break there channeling due to it is intterupted when you dissappear of there screen. ofc awareness potion counters it but, why fight them. Run away from them using wind push and/or SE.

    Most games, which is not just one, always use the same accuracy when dealing with magic.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Please take some grammar and spelling lessons. I can just barely understand youb:bye
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  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Magic no missy.... only 1600 kills...but never seen a miss on a mob or toon. I suppose its possible no one on any server has ever sharded high enough for it to miss..thats possible I guess...ignore all those threads where people talk about how cool they think evasion is or any of those tests...
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Magic no missy.... only 1600 kills...but never seen a miss on a mob or toon. I suppose its possible no one on any server has ever sharded high enough for it to miss..thats possible I guess...ignore all those threads where people talk about how cool they think evasion is or any of those tests...
    Thank you for making my case.
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Magic no missy.... only 1600 kills...but never seen a miss on a mob or toon. I suppose its possible no one on any server has ever sharded high enough for it to miss..thats possible I guess...ignore all those threads where people talk about how cool they think evasion is or any of those tests...

    As a Venomancer, I have missed using magic 3 times. You don't see it happen much due to they cover it up using an accuracy gem or two.

    As for my writing skills, my first comment was a lot better but, ._. I lost my connection. I hate using wi-fi connection.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    As a Venomancer, I have missed using magic 3 times. You don't see it happen much due to they cover it up using an accuracy gems or two.

    As for my writing skills, my first comment was a lot better but, ._. I lost my connection. I hate using wi-fi connection.
    b:shocked
    Sorry if I was a jerk; I'm an uber Grammar/Syntax/Spelling ****...b:surrender
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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    b:surrender No worries, most of the time I am as well. You'll see me editing afterwards very often. Mainly due to I type as tho I am in rush and edited later to revise it.
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