Adroit's first PvP video

Borsuc - Raging Tide

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Just learned sage mountain seize though, so I will probably have to start trying to use that instead of bids. Should be better damage than lvl 10 bids, yes? Where's my wizzie mathematician . . . .

Yeah, lvl11 MS does 2500.1 more damage than lvl10 BIDS... everything else is the same. It's damaged before any reductions however (including PvP 1/4 reduction) so it's kinda negligible... but I'd still recommend MS due to its stun since you don't have sage BIDS.

It does take 1 more sec to channel though, depending on your -channel gear this should be less of a factor.

Djoulz - Lost City

great stuff, Adroit, very impressive!! wish i had such skills

ThaMessiah - Sanctuary

Epic vid Adroit

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

Too pro , makes me remember my wiz days ;3

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

how would being below me affect me dropping to take half damage.. I dont follow

Because then you would be dropping towards him? Not exactly kiting in that case. One of us isn't understanding the other b:question

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah, lvl11 MS does 2500.1 more damage than lvl10 BIDS... everything else is the same. It's damaged before any reductions however (including PvP 1/4 reduction) so it's kinda negligible... but I'd still recommend MS due to its stun since you don't have sage BIDS.

It does take 1 more sec to channel though, depending on your -channel gear this should be less of a factor.

There he is. I knew you'd show up. Thanks.

Cloudcharger and IHRS means my channel isn't that great, unfortunately (21%). If I ever nirvana my weapon I think I have to pick the neon version. I miss the cast time with my sensoid. My timing is still kinda off more than I thought it would be for a mere 6% less -channel. Thought of using 2 savants instead of the icebourne stones (definitely would have been cheaper), but since I knew I wasn't going to put the coin into nirvana for a while I wanted as much damage as I could squeeze into it. I'm thinking that might have been a mistake now, idk . . . .

Its a shame this game for all practical purposes makes sharding/refining, binding, etc such a permanent thing.

Asperitas - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Because then you would be dropping towards him? Not exactly kiting in that case. One of us isn't understanding the other b:question

I don't think you're understanding the situation. Adroit drops. BM drops under him. Now there's a distance between the two. You're saying if Adroit drops again, he'd be dropping towards the BM, which would be true, except for the fact that if a BM drops under him, there'd be no reason for Adroit to drop again. The BM is already out of range since he's below, and all Adroit has to do is continue hitting him with spells. Instead, the BM has to fly back up to stun/attack. So no, dropping under doesn't do anything.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

the bm in the first part of this vid iced before roar turning 12 seconds to kill into 8 and used roar over demon bash when it had time for only 1 stun did not use leaps to close on an air target and tried to tank a bids with wind sheild...twice

wtf was with the sins opening with a aoe from stealth and not sealing after HH in the 2nd part?

good vid but the people your against seem to be on the low end of the bell curveb:surrender

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

the bm in the first part of this vid iced before roar turning 12 seconds to kill into 8 and used roar over demon bash when it had time for only 1 stun did not use leaps to close on an air target and tried to tank a bids with wind sheild...twice

wtf was with the sins opening with a aoe from stealth and not sealing after HH in the 2nd part?

good vid but the people your against seem to be on the low end of the bell curveb:surrender

Calvin is an amazing BM, I'm just going to assume you were watching on low quality so you missed a lot of it. I was resisting about half the stuns he used, he did use leaps to close in several times.. and he was slept when "he tried to tank bids with wind shield" so he could only use genie skills to protect himself. The sin at the end I don't really know.. I dunno if he made a mistake or if he really isn't very good. Calvin + Marzenia + El33tDeath are all very skilled players :P

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Calvin is an amazing BM, I'm just going to assume you were watching on low quality so you missed a lot of it. I was resisting about half the stuns he used, he did use leaps to close in several times.. and he was slept when "he tried to tank bids with wind shield" so he could only use genie skills to protect himself. The sin at the end I don't really know.. I dunno if he made a mistake or if he really isn't very good. Calvin + Marzenia + El33tDeath are all very skilled players :P

geni skills like AD? would have been open if he had used cyclone cancle rather than wind

you resisted the 2nd stun of every lock or droped out of them thus my "open with the longer stun" comment another 1.5 seconds of stun and on some of those locks and you would be dead... your use of fortify actualy makes his timeing of roar then ice even worse as there was a good chance you would flat out resist the 2nd stun

oh and never once saw bolt to stop you from droping thus 1/2ing damage and bypassing the fortify time to continue lock

missed the leaps sorry will have to peek it again leap combo im refering to being wizzie drops>you drop>glitch flyer to stop animation>leap

they seem average at best though with rather good gear, the gank squads in the 2nd 1/2 where still special

average = they do the same tricks that every other bm out there knows w/o much variation in a set pattern from their experiance and do not adapt said pattern to the oponent nothing against the bm's skill.... but they follow a known pattern thus you can use a set pattern to kill them

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

geni skills like AD? would have been open if he had used cyclone cancle rather than wind

you resisted the 2nd stun of every lock or droped out of them thus my "open with the longer stun" comment another 1.5 seconds of stun and on some of those locks and you would be dead... your use of fortify actualy makes his timeing of roar then ice even worse as there was a good chance you would flat out resist the 2nd stun

missed the leaps sorry will have to peek it again leap combo im refering to being wizzie drops>you drop>glitch flyer to stop animation>leap

they seem average at best though with rather good gear, the gank squads in the 2nd 1/2 where still special

average = they do the same tricks that every other bm out there knows w/o much variation in a set pattern from their experiance and do not adapt said pattern to the oponent nothing against the bm's skill.... but they follow a known pattern thus you can use a set pattern to kill them

Calvin uses lawbreaker like nuts, makes it incredibly difficult to fight him as a wizard. You can go through the video 20 times and decide what he should have done, but it is much more difficult to actually be playing. Calvin is one of the best BM's on the server, most bms I just destroy in < 10 seconds, and calvin beats me over 50% of the time.. and when I do kill him it takes a long time with alot of luck. Believe me, after fighting him and watching him pvp.. he isn't just some average bm b:victory

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

oh and never once saw bolt to stop you from droping thus 1/2ing damage and bypassing the fortify time to continue lock

*looks up bolt*

you probably meant this part
Freezes targets and the caster for 5 seconds.

You wanna use a skil that freezes yourself while you are fighing an extremely hard hitting kiting wizzy?

Moog - Lost City

Bolt on a wiz while he or she isn't dropping is probably the worst thing a bm can do. The wiz can just blink away while the bm is stuck there.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

I don't think you're understanding the situation.

Clearly one of us isn't.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Adroit drops. BM drops under him.

If the bm drops too low, yes. I guess I AM assuming he doesn't do that.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

. . . . except for the fact that if a BM drops under him, there'd be no reason for Adroit to drop again . . . .

no reason? If thats a nice way of saying the bm just cut off one way in which he can kite WITH damage reduction, I guess I agree. What I don't understand is how you don't agree that this helps the bm and impedes the wiz.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

The BM is already out of range since he's below, and all Adroit has to do is continue hitting him with spells.

Who says the bm drops out of range? Whats the range on their stuns? As long as the BM doesn't drop to far, he can't just "continue hitting him with spells" because the bm can be on him while he's still channeling, stun, 5 aps. At best wiz is using genie and apoth and probably a lil chi to escape. All much better for the bm than time after time after time flying down only to hit him for half damage while he drops again.

Instead of assuming the BM makes a mistake by dropping "out of range" tell me how anything I said here is untrue or not to the benefit of the bm.

Don't get me wrong. I love that it worked. And I am going to try to get people up in the air far enough so I can do the same thing and allow them to make the same mistake. IJS in my experience, the bms I fight, if I drop they aren't taking their time to come down and get me. They are dropping too (and taking half damage from my skills in the process).

Adroit - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

If the bm drops too low, yes.



no reason? If thats a nice way of saying the bm just cut off one way in which he can kite, I guess I agree but I don't see how you don't agree that this helps the bm and impedes the wiz.



Who says the bm drops out of range? Whats the range on their stuns? If the BM doesn't drop to far, he can't just "continue hitting him with spells" because the bm can be on him while he's still channeling.

LOL I see what you're saying now. You think that I won't drop because he is atk'ing me from a little below? This is one of those things that you try to make up on paper.. but would never work in real pvp. I can still drop just to take half damage even if they are below me, but more than likely I'd just blink away (like I usually do) and I start dropping before they get up to me (i.e. I'm below them again).

Asperitas - Lost City

Okay yeah I see what you mean now, my mistake.

But yeah, easy to say on paper, hard to do in PVP. Don't forget fists have an incredibly short range. You're pretty much right under them. Won't really stop them from dropping. Not to mention, it's easy to overshoot your drop and then waste time flying back up again.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

LOL I see what you're saying now. You think that I won't drop because he is atk'ing me from a little below? This is one of those things that you try to make up on paper.. but would never work in real pvp. I can still drop just to take half damage even if they are below me, but more than likely I'd just blink away (like I usually do) and I start dropping before they get up to me (i.e. I'm below them again).

Of course you can drop if they are below you, but you are assuming he doesn't stun you while you are dropping past him. The reason this worked so well is range on bm stuns is relatively short i believe, and occult ice is like 5m, right? So as you drop PAST him he would be able to stun you.

If he can stun lock you, your are probably finished (even at half damage, idk). Even if he doesn't lock you, stunning you and getting some hits in before you escape is far preferable to this dance.

And yes, you would then have to distance shrink, which wouldn't give you the damage reduction and use chi in the process that this doesn't require you to do.

Not saying it ensures victory for him, but it certainly is a better tactic.

Adroit - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Of course you can drop if they are below you, but you are assuming he doesn't stun you while you are dropping past him. The reason this worked so well is range on bm stuns is relatively short i believe, and occult ice is like 5m, right? So as you drop PAST him he would be able to stun you.

If he can stun lock you, your are probably finished (even at half damage, idk). Even if he doesn't lock you, stunning you and getting some hits in before you escape is far preferable to this dance.

And yes, you would then half to blink, which wouldn't give you the damage reduction and use chi in the process that this doesn't require you to do.

Not saying it ensures victory for him, but it certainly is a better tactic.

You not notice me spamming fortify? He stunned me several times when I was in the air, but with hp pots, charm, and half damage it would take 2 stuns to kill me basically.. and I resisted the second over and over again. I was blinking all the time as it is. I really don't think you are qualified to be giving BM advice to one of the top BM's on the server. I have never had a problem fighting BM's that are below me, never even saw that as a tactic as it has never affected me. I think it would be a waste of time to drop below me , would honestly probably make it a little easier for me because I would have another second as he is setting up below me for no reason.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

because I would have another second as he is setting up below me for no reason.

he flys up slower than he flys down? How is it another second to fly up?

Again, not saying he would stun you, just that he would be better able to.

And I'm not really giving advice, I guess, so much as saying I don't get it. And for everyones lines and lines of text in response, no one has given an answer that makes sense.

Of the 2 replies that come closest, one assumes the bm makes the mistake of dropping so far past you that he is out of range, and you seem to think that because you can escape/prevent a stun means its pointless for him to try to position himself where he can get a better attempt at it and prevent you from easily spending 80% of the fight with a 1/2 damage bonus.

Can you use fortify while falling? If not, another minus to thinking you can simply fall past him safely.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*looks up bolt*

you probably meant this part
Freezes targets and the caster for 5 seconds.

You wanna use a skil that freezes yourself while you are fighing an extremely hard hitting kiting wizzy?

blink has a 10 second CD

leap 2x to close 2-2.5 seconds depending on net

roar 6 second stun 1 second chan

so thats 2 seconds the wizzie is free to drop away and blink has not cooled that can be cut off with bolt

@ androit: lawbreaker would just let the bm stun more often when close... if his gear is as good as you say then nothing short of a charm bypass ulti or sutra combo (probly with the spark debuff) is going to kill him... you where in air pk and the drop option still works while sealed meaning if you try for one of those he can just cancle it by falling out of range so you basicly have to use sleep to kill rather than seal

in short...when in the air the air seal becomes an annoying "wait a sec while blink charges" rather than a setup for combodeath so its not worth wasteing stam on that could be used to cut off the one means you have of killing

if he outgears you as badly as you claim and he iis as omg skilled as you claim? why are you not dead 100% of the time? your kiteing is well timed but nothing revolutionary weapon is a +10 tt 99 and average endgame stats so nothign game breaking there

so assumeing the above that all but skill is in the bm's favor and that you follow the standard wizzie tactics (well timed but still the standard)

either
A: wizzies are hax OP at endgame (we all know this)
B: he must not be that great

again this is just going off what i saw here (vid still amused me)

@blood: the bm has to drop and then fly up again that takes longer than droping and then acceling/leaping in slightly above the wizzie

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

blink has a 10 second CD

leap 2x to close 2-2.5 seconds depending on net

roar 6 second stun 1 second chan

so thats 2 seconds the wizzie is free to drop away and blink has not cooled that can be cut off with bolt

@ androit: lawbreaker would just let the bm stun more often when close... if his gear is as good as you say then nothing short of a charm bypass ulti or sutra combo (probly with the spark debuff) is going to kill him... you where in air pk and the drop option still works while sealed meaning if you try for one of those he can just cancle it by falling out of range so you basicly have to use sleep to kill rather than seal

in short...when in the air the air seal becomes an annoying "wait a sec while blink charges" rather than a setup for combodeath so its not worth wasteing stam on that could be used to cut off the one means you have of killing

if he outgears you as badly as you claim and he iis as omg skilled as you claim? why are you not dead 100% of the time? your kiteing is well timed but nothing revolutionary weapon is a +10 tt 99 and average endgame stats so nothign game breaking there

so assumeing the above that all but skill is in the bm's favor and that you follow the standard wizzie tactics (well timed but still the standard)

either
A: wizzies are hax OP at endgame (we all know this)
B: he must not be that great

again this is just going off what i saw here (vid still amused me)

@blood: the bm has to drop and then fly up again that takes longer than droping and then acceling/leaping in slightly above the wizzie

every time adroit used an ulti, he slept him....

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

every time adroit used an ulti, he slept him....

thus my AD comment a page back

this post was mainly to show how lawbreaker is a narrow skill mostly useless in pvp

Adroit - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

thus my AD comment a page back

this post was mainly to show how lawbreaker is a narrow skill mostly useless in pvp

lol you have an obvious case of "I've never tried lawbreaker before so I know what I'm talking about". Go roll a mage and see how fun it is to fight a decent bm using lawbreaker.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

either
A: wizzies are hax OP at endgame (we all know this)
B: he must not be that great

Nah, I think you're not that great, hence why you think wizzies are hax OP. I mean sure, you think it's not fair for Adroit to kill him? Why can't you accept that playing a wiz requires a lot of skill and Adroit is no doubt very skilled from the video... and even then he still has only a chance to crit with BIDS -- he probably only showed the times it did crit. What happens if it doesn't crit?

That's really hax... because BMs want to rollface on keyboard to kill like they do in PvE. b:chuckle

secrettrader

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BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

@blood: the bm has to drop and then fly up again that takes longer than droping and then acceling/leaping in slightly above the wizzie

If he's under him he doesn't have to drop first. Why does everyone start their explanation of why i am wrong by assuming the bm is above him when I specifically said he should be below him? I understand that that is the position the bm is in in the video, but my premise is he shouldn't be there. I give up. Once again the non-sequiturs of my protagonists on the

Adroit - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

If he's under him he doesn't have to drop first. Why does everyone start their explanation of why i am wrong by assuming the bm is above him when I specifically said he should be below him? I understand that that is the position the bm is in in the video, but my premise is he shouldn't be there. I give up. Once again the non-sequiturs of my protagonists on the

you do realize that I drop a LOT. So lets say I start above him.. after my first drop I'll be below him for the rest of the fight.. but again I really don't see any advantage in it. If you were to have the BM try to stay below me, he would have to drop farther than me each time.. which gives me extra time to do w/e I want. I think its really just a silly idea that you'd give up after 5 mins of trying it yourself.

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

I wanna discuss too !


Again vid is great , you are a very skilled wiz and calvin is a great bm .

Anyway :


He's sage I see . I think demon would've been better here , if he could try to keep track of your chi & suck it , keeping you under 2 sparks then you'd pretty much have no way to kill him if his gears are that much better than yours .

Occult ice failing sucks ! I know the feeling QQ , nuff said .

@ Joshcja : probably all pro wiziez will keep kitting you making it difficult to stun them , even with roar . Also seal you when you do get that close to them then either drop/blink . This is where occult ice comes in , sucks if it fails but oh well . Adroit would prolly use fortify to resist the 2nd stun though , so the fight might be REALLY long .

This could prolly be a never ending fight if you keep sucking chi ( if demon ) ... I know I pk vs my faction wiziez like this , I kinda save my AD till I know they are pretty much chiless for a 59 move and then the fight just keeps dragging on & on...

That get's boring tbh & I'm sure no1 would wanna see that . I don't even suck chi in 1v1 all that often anymore because it makes the fight more intense while expecting the wiz to BIDS/MS/BT/sutra you at any given time b:dirty

But ofc , just saying the option is there

I'm also much squishier than Calvin or l33t & a undined sage SS crit would be enough to kill me at 60-65% , thus I kinda have to spam hp food & keep my health up as often as I can .

Know I said I'd save AD but with the use of other genie skills that option goes down the drain depending on your genie ( I have fixed energy for AD , rest is in str/magic so heh :P) b:surrender

But actually ... the only time I'd say you'd need that is when you know the wiz has his/her sleep ready . If not , you can just drop down,smack , use TE for the shield since it works even with the lowest energy . Ofc this is assuming you leap once thus being in range for smack/TE .


My current main genie has 6 slots ( not great but does the job ) and has : TE,occult,AD,holy path,mire & cloud erruption on it with high str & decent mag .

I haven't considered law breaker yet ... maybe I should :P


Anyway , I just love wiziez & bms . So many skills to use , so many options & combos to make xD

Humans ftw !

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Nah, I think you're not that great, hence why you think wizzies are hax OP. I mean sure, you think it's not fair for Adroit to kill him? Why can't you accept that playing a wiz requires a lot of skill and Adroit is no doubt very skilled from the video... and even then he still has only a chance to crit with BIDS -- he probably only showed the times it did crit. What happens if it doesn't crit?

That's really hax... because BMs want to rollface on keyboard to kill like they do in PvE. b:chuckle

why dont you actually adress the issues brought up rather than mindlessly humping adriots leg? or you know...read the entire posts rather than the one little bit that makes ya butthurt

think i said at least 4 times so far that yes adroit does have good timeing

@ pimp: wizzies will kite mele? this is unpossibleb:shocked

going from cooldowns the wiz can blink>FOW>blink once before you have a window to stun bolshi>bolt can catch as they fall rather than ice and avoids fortify follow with roar if resisted ice em then DB at the end of ice roar as DB dies to catch them as they fall so you can hit on em for a few more seconds

if they actually manage to drop away before you can get the bolt/roar off thats where leap comes in

if demon you can just play around with a darken pole and hell rush untill the weapon or the 5 sec stun procs and lock normally ice when they fortify or badge

its kinda hard to drop into TE range if your sleeping

Ignation - Lost City

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

why dont you actually adress the issues brought up rather than mindlessly humping adriots leg? or you know...read the entire posts rather than the one little bit that makes ya butthurt

think i said at least 4 times so far that yes adroit does have good timeing

@ pimp: wizzies will kite mele? this is unpossibleb:shocked

going from cooldowns the wiz can blink>FOW>blink once before you have a window to stun bolshi>bolt can catch as they fall rather than ice and avoids fortify follow with roar if resisted ice em then DB at the end of ice roar as DB dies to catch them as they fall so you can hit on em for a few more seconds

if they actually manage to drop away before you can get the bolt/roar off thats where leap comes in

if demon you can just play around with a darken pole and hell rush untill the weapon or the 5 sec stun procs and lock normally ice when they fortify or badge

its kinda hard to drop into TE range if your sleeping

I can see what you are trying to say.

I had a lot of fights against Calvin, he almost always breaks out of my seal, if I blink away, gush + seal him, I am ****ed if his lawbreaker procs.

If you take a good look at Adroits genie, he has about 8x-9x dex in it, making fortify last for a good 5 seconds, even if he opened with roar, he wouldn't be able to ice him.
Also I thought ice had a longer range than roar?

Fact is, if Adroit hadn't timed his blinks + fortify against Calvin, he would have died, Calvin needs to catch you once to be able to kill you.

I have seen Adroits gear and Calvins. Calvin is 5.0 with windshield, and has +10 CV claws. there is no way for any mage with 5.5k hp to survive 1 stun.

Calvin knows he will kill Adroit if he just stuns him, Lawbreaker would almost guarantee Calvin to stun adroit.
Realistically speaking, a good 5 minute fight, no one will save their genies fuel to wait for the other target to cast BiDs to domain it.
You want to finish the fight as soon as possible.

Adroit is pro, he had the patience and tactics to get Calvin to 51-55% hp and used BiDs, to his luck he crit.

It's hard for a mage to time his seals + fortify + blinks. Cooldowns are all different.

Calvin is one of the best BMs in the server. In my fair share of fights with him, if his lawbreaker procs, I would always **** something up due to the panic.
Ijs don't underestimate the power of lawbreaker, mages only have seal for them.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Ignation - Lost City wrote: »

I can see what you are trying to say.

I had a lot of fights against Calvin, he almost always breaks out of my seal, if I blink away, gush + seal him, I am ****ed if his lawbreaker procs.

If you take a good look at Adroits genie, he has about 8x-9x dex in it, making fortify last for a good 5 seconds, even if he opened with roar, he wouldn't be able to ice him.
Also I thought ice had a longer range than roar?Fact is, if Adroit hadn't timed his blinks + fortify against Calvin, he would have died, Calvin needs to catch you once to be able to kill you.

I have seen Adroits gear and Calvins. Calvin is 5.0 with windshield, and has +10 CV claws. there is no way for any mage with 5.5k hp to survive 1 stun.

Calvin knows he will kill Adroit if he just stuns him, Lawbreaker would almost guarantee Calvin to stun adroit.
Realistically speaking, a good 5 minute fight, no one will save their genies fuel to wait for the other target to cast BiDs to domain it.
You want to finish the fight as soon as possible.

Adroit is pro, he had the patience and tactics to get Calvin to 51-55% hp and used BiDs, to his luck he crit.

It's hard for a mage to time his seals + fortify + blinks. Cooldowns are all different.

Calvin is one of the best BMs in the server. In my fair share of fights with him, if his lawbreaker procs, I would always **** something up due to the panic.
Ijs don't underestimate the power of lawbreaker, mages only have seal for them.

ice is not a stun so it bypasses fortify, adroits "proness" was never disputed, i never would have guessed that kiteing would take timeing or that *gasp* you die if you do it wrong. already made my point about the hax gear+ omg skill bm comments vs average gear wizzie + omg skill

opening with your longest range stun/freeze is actually bad if your taget can drop as you waste most of it flying to them bash or a MR prock are much trickier to get off, but leave the target in killing range the entire stun

on the ground yes it is far harder for a wizzie to kite...in the air just no you can fill most of the gap in blink>FoW combo by dropping... in a prevoius post was mentioned that yes lawbreaker does have merit for ground PK however in the air (where most of this happens) its not to usefull

also you say calvin only needs 1 stun.so why not cut off the only real way adroit has to kill him and just...wait for a proc/to get close enough to DB for a 100% kill rather than gamble? adroit could wait and by your definition thats part of "proness" the bm was rushing a fight what does that say?

its possible im just a bit jaded from the "omghax" bm's of sanc that like to use fists at 100 with 2.5 aps and full+10 gear or the ever present evade orn cult that are presented as "pro" despite the lack of any skill whatsoever

so only going by what is in the vid and not by personal endoresment (prehaps he had an off day o.o people do **** up)

so the short form of this 3 page arguement..more variation in classes please and some non tarded pkers to go against you. otherwise good vid nice timeing and smooth edits

*poofs before the objective opinion inquisition arrives to brainwash me*b:shocked