How to Fix the All Servers Economy

yashino

yashino wrote: »

b:bye who use those **** weps

anyways, if remove the hammer, sure gold price will drop to ~200k, but then again it'd be easier for people to get more packs and more tokens, not to mention they'll able to get lots more stuffs from boutique since money isnt like 2 years ago, now that they can easily obtain. EX: packs, hh, nirv, ...
conclusion: more +12, nirv gears(cuz packs are now half priced of original)

quoting from what i said

so those who agree with removing such items off cs, they're too narrow minded.

and if remove packs, it's already too late for that... they added those a year ago... and people already addicted to it.. and will just demand for packs to return
with players demanding something from cashshop, and those who dont want. who do you think GM/Dev will listen to

Aisubeki - Sanctuary

so someone explain this to me, how does wedding wine make token equalibrium at 10k?

Rhyme - Harshlands

yashino wrote: »

quoting from what i said

so those who agree with removing such items off cs, they're too narrow minded.

and if remove packs, it's already too late for that... they added those a year ago... and people already addicted to it.. and will just demand for packs to return
with players demanding something from cashshop, and those who dont want. who do you think GM/Dev will listen to

Is it a bad thing if there is more +12? I mean, right now most of the +12 are from Cash shoppers, lower gold prices will give F2P players a chance to compete. And lower gold prices wont cause more nirvana weapons. You can't buy Nirvana from the boutique.

And, technically, the lower the gold prices, the more cash shopping needed for a cash shopper to get what they want.

So why wouldn't the GM's do it? Besides the fact that they don't value our opinion

yashino

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it a bad thing if there is more +12? I mean, right now most of the +12 are from Cash shoppers, lower gold prices will give F2P players a chance to compete. And lower gold prices wont cause more nirvana weapons. You can't buy Nirvana from the boutique.

And, technically, the lower the gold prices, the more cash shopping needed for a cash shopper to get what they want.

So why wouldn't the GM's do it? Besides the fact that they don't value our opinion

you cant actually buy nirv off boutique but you can get them off packs

also how do you think this will affect those cashshoppers, they spent countless to get op gears to stand above others but now that everyone could get without cashshoping (well as for most of us in LC farmed +12 isnt that hard) how do you think they would react?
the answer is simple.. they'll stop csing(for most of them that's what i think) and do you think GM would like that?

Rhyme - Harshlands

yashino wrote: »

you cant actually buy nirv off boutique but you can get them off packs

also how do you think this will affect those cashshoppers, they spent countless to get op gears to stand above others but now that everyone could get without cashshoping (well as for most of us in LC farmed +12 isnt that hard) how do you think they would react?
the answer is simple.. they'll stop csing(for most of them that's what i think) and do you think GM would like that?

People wont stop cash shopping because they aren't the best of the best. If anything that will cause them to cash shop more. But that is besides the point, not all cash shoppers are narcissists.

yashino

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

People wont stop cash shopping because they aren't the best of the best. If anything that will cause them to cash shop more. But that is besides the point, not all cash shoppers are narcissists.

and the thing is not all real moneys are like water, not many would still cs if cs items arent hard to get anymore... (imo cashshopping is stupid, why spend money into a game + game stuffs arent that hard to get)

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »

so someone explain this to me, how does wedding wine make token equalibrium at 10k?

10 Tokens = 1 Wedding Wine = 99,999 coins at the Wedding NPC

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

See, you missed the point. If tokens were to drop below 10k each, half of the people who currently take risks with packs won't. Currently, Gold is about 400k. If someone were to buy 50 packs it would cost 13,200,000 coins, and if they got all tokens (750) it would be around a 5m loss because tokens are fixed at 10k. If wedding wines were removed, and tokens dropped to about 5-6k, they would lose 10m coins.

Now, in order for people to buy more packs, gold would have to drop to 200k to get the safe-guard people are used to.

Before people found out about the wedding wines, there was a 1 week span where gold was 280k and tokens were 6.5k. Then, when news spread of wedding wines gold jumped up to 400k and tokens were firmly at 10.5k.

You're also missing out on natural inflation of gold. If I go out and GRIND on my characters, even with DQs at -20% Their old Value I can STILL make well over a million coins in under two hours at the level 96 Spiders. Thus, Gold will NEVER be back where it used to be, because it it soo easy to get money through in game means. IJS, The Devs hand in the economy is not the ONLY thing that has affected it. Back when the servers were young and the general population was levels 40-60, it was MUCH harder to make money in game. I remember spending a week grinding near Sumor Camp from levels 40-49 to make 1.4million coins to buy a Midnight, back in October 2008. Now I can make 1.4million Coins in about 2 hours give or take a few minutes.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it a bad thing if there is more +12?

For elitists and old timers obviously it is -- they need stat advantage because they are afraid they may lack skill against the opponents, so then they lose their self-respect (but which no one else cares about, obviously it's only in their heads).

Guess what answers I get from those when I try to suggest ways to make the game easier/more even playing ground? b:chuckle

VonSabrewulf - Harshlands

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're also missing out on natural inflation of gold. If I go out and GRIND on my characters, even with DQs at -20% Their old Value I can STILL make well over a million coins in under two hours at the level 96 Spiders. Thus, Gold will NEVER be back where it used to be, because it it soo easy to get money through in game means. IJS, The Devs hand in the economy is not the ONLY thing that has affected it. Back when the servers were young and the general population was levels 40-60, it was MUCH harder to make money in game. I remember spending a week grinding near Sumor Camp from levels 40-49 to make 1.4million coins to buy a Midnight, back in October 2008. Now I can make 1.4million Coins in about 2 hours give or take a few minutes.

your a ****ing veno. were talking about regular classes, not cashcows so just kindly shut up since Rhyme is making a good point.

ImReallyWhyt - Heavens Tear

gamble gamble!!!

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fixed a bug in my spreadsheet. Taking into account chances to get each item as a reward and their market values:

Lucky Corals: worth 327k
45.0% of value comes from luck tokens
11.0% from best luck tokens
4.3% lunar ornament
4.0% lunar weapon
3.1% championship scroll

Tiger Pack: worth 398k
36.6% of value comes from luck tokens
21.6% from best luck tokens
5.7% lunar wing trophy
3.5% lunar ornament
3.3% lunar weapon

Back when token prices were >10k, the market price was higher so people would cat shop them, meaning it wasn't new coin being created. But now that they've bottomed out at 10k or lower, the NPC trade generally makes more sense. So yeah, they could be a huge new source of coin.

Wow, thanks for doing the work...

I never really thought this could be much of an issue till one of my friends on a different server explained how they did this... and they do it with 5k+ tokens a week. After understanding this, I learned that a couple of other people I know also do this, and one of them does 1-2k tokens a day. They can't be the only ones doing this... there must be quite a few more, in any event, it's hard to gauge how much of an issue this is.

The people who do this generally don't open packs, they buy tokens underpriced and either sell them or NPC wines or both, so this is indeed creating new coin *after* the fact that people have been getting Besties.

So alone, it may not be an issue, but combined with the coin generation of 10m bank notes, it certainly can't make the issue any better, only worse. It's just much harder to determine the frequency or rate that this is occurring.