MOD Honor?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

HEY GrimReaperHC When you lock the thread. Write down the reason. You act as a coward. Do you know good manner? Probably not.b:angryb:angryb:angry
I don't care if I will be banned. Enough is enough.

As a break from my normal "Game is dead" posts and other assorted troll posts, I bring you this.

While I may be known for my negativity, and perhaps may be one of the most infamous, let me assure you that the "Disgruntled with the Game" club is bustling with activity. We are not lonely, and one might even go as far as to say that the number of regular forum posters that are unhappy with some aspect of the game's poor management outnumber the number of regular forum posters that are completely satisfied with the game entirely.

Now, to be fair, people are more inclined to give negative feedback than to give positive feedback. I am not blind to this. However, the sheer amount of people who would love to see this game the way it was over a year ago is startling.

A year and a half ago, we did not have all of this strife and dissension. We had the occasional "Nixes suck" thread, but for the most part, there were no major issues with the game.

Even when the genies came out, they had a few rough edges, but they were generally appreciated. The Age of Spirits expansion as a whole was a positive addition to this game. I believe that was when we got auto-pathing, which was a huge step forward for this game.

But then, genie skills were changed around and GMs offered restat scrolls for free. Eventually the GMs took it away without notice, and people who didn't take advantage of the offer yet were upset. It was like our current DQ price scandal divided by 50. People were upset, yeah, but not even close to the degree they are now.

Time progressed. Anniversary packs came out. Cool. Time passes. Anniversary packs are back. Hundreds of pages of upset players post. The thread is ultimately ignored and PWI starts pumping more and more packs into the system. This marks the beginning of the decline of this game.

A year goes by. Hardly a week was had without a pack sale. They are repackaged, watered down, people still buy them. Oracles are sold directly in the boutique. ("There will never be EXP items in the Boutique.") We begin to finally realize that PWE does not care about what we have to say. They are just interested in a profit margin.

Then we come to where the game has been for the past few months. DQ prices drop, armor gives less chi when decomposed, TT ruined, TW ruined, UI ruined, every patch that comes out has a bug and we're lucky if the next patch fixes it.

PWE is never afraid to give us the runaround when it comes to stuff like the DQ price reduction. That happened because of China, blame them! But they remain eerily quiet on hundreds of pages of people complaining about packs, because we know they can control that.

Anything with a negative tone is locked. Anything having remotely the same subject as another thread gets merged. Does the company not find it even remotely disturbing that they **** up so bad we have to have stickied threads about it? The threads reach hundreds of pages, get ignored, and then eventually just go away.

It's a rather unsettling trend really. Stickies used to be reserved for updates, events, you know, fun stuff. Now we have to take our well thought out opinion to the trash heap so it can get ignored.

Now, this brings me to my main point: Is it my fault I'm so negative? Or is it my fault that I display my negativity in such a way?

You have so many customers that are unhappy with what you're doing to this game. I used to post passionately about you guys ruining the game, trying to make you see what you're doing. But after a year of being ignored, I finally gave up. I resorted to posting "The game is dead." because you've just hurt your playerbase time and time again to the point of us being so untrusting and cynical.

You did this to yourself. You've abused us to the point where we've lost hope for the game we once loved. Am I wrong? Do you think I just one day woke up and decided to start bashing on GMs?

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Prove you're not shallow GMs and mods. Don't move this or lock this. I stated all of my opinions in a very factual and calm manner. This is not flamebait, but it is criticism. Show us you can take a little negativity. I hope you can use it to improve, but I won't hold my breath. You've shown us in the past that you don't take criticism seriously.

But prove me wrong. Keep this thread open for discussion regarding the community. I think it might be healthy.

If you are mature enough to do that one small favor for yourselves, I promise to be more mature myself, and only post my opinions with facts and statements to back them up.

The game is not dead. But it will be soon if you do not act. The sky is falling.

Deora - Lost City

Im just saying

and inb4 lock

workbish

if anyone knows any of those 2 new mods in rl, plz smash their faces b:kiss

anwynd

did you copy & paste cus this looks very familar

Tatuaje - Lost City

Enjoy your ban.

Btw, you won't be missed.

This community is filled with so much nerd rage. b:chuckle

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Yes, this was NightRage's thread that he got banned on.
If you want to quote it instead, Mumintroll, so it doesn't lead to confusion again, that would be cool.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

I just want same rules for every1. And this opinion what I pasted didn't break any rule of the forum, but was closed. I'm asking. Why?

Every dictatorship started removing their criticism and opposite. But it never stop the truth.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

when did he become a mod? o-o

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just want same rules for every1. And this opinion what I pasted didn't break any rule of the forum, but was closed. I'm asking. Why?

I didn't say it broke rules, just said you should probably put it in a quote since it's NightRage's
I'm sure it got closed because the new mods are too much of a pansy to take the heat of how bad things really are and felt the only way to deal with it was ban Rage & close the thread.
What was that saying? If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

grimreaperhc

Mumintroll,

I read your post and I wont lock it even that it's breaking the forum rules - I`ll let Frankie take a look at it, but I must warn you that if the flames/trolling becomes really much I wont have any other choise than locking it. Threads are being locked because they are breaking the rules, which people seems to forget. Write down your opinion, but without breaking the rules, and your thread will be there.

There is something that most of the people here don't understand - the mods team is here to help you. We are players just like you, but instead of posting threads in the forums, we are playing the game, and if we have something to say we are doing it the civil way.

I really hope that soon you will understand this. I`m trying to be friendly to everyone around even if I get tons of troll posts towards me. I`m sure I`ll get even a few more after posting this one, but you wanted an answer from me, and I`m giving you.

I repeat - thread wont be locked if everything is in the lines of the forum rules.

Regards

Fallghost - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just want same rules for every1. And this opinion what I pasted didn't break any rule of the forum, but was closed. I'm asking. Why?

Because Grim closed it.............thus he was a coward to do it,since he gives NightRage the edge even tho he is banned.


*facepalm* at you,Grim!

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Grim seems to be........ a little hasty with the lock/edit buttons.


Seems to be a little over zealous.


Every post I see that even slightly seems negative to another member of the forums is edited, or the thread locked.


Thing is, people are going to argue, just let them do it.

I honestly think the choice of mods was completely stupid, especially since I've never seen any of them post before.


But, meh, hopefully they'll just go inactive.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Or maybe they'll pull a Konari on us. b:bye

Edit: Thanks for closing my thread, what I'm going to guess was, Grim. >_>;

Lenore - Harshlands

Someone unban NightRage

BarbLord - Raging Tide

I didn't post in Nightrage thread but seeing what happened in that thread
It makes me want to quit this game even more then I already did and not just that but also never join any other game hosted by PWE again, I don't even care anymore if they will ban me because I'm QQing now
The only reason I am still here is because of my in game friends

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »

Someone unban NightRage

+108340938493829482394823
I was gonna ask for his hand in marriage yesterday and BAM he got banhammered b:cry

haybails

Grim is familiar to all forum readers so will get some stick and pretty much so far, since becoming a mod, he's the one that's shown his face. He's just trying to do a job, which has really been left in such a state that they are set up to fail. That's not his fault, that lies elsewhere, as we (and he) is well aware. The real reasons have been bubbling under for quite some time.

PWI has been fortunate that Hawk has voluntarily come back to assist a bit, they left themselves is such a state. Had they found a new mod once Konari left, once Andracil left and now that Ary has left, they wouldn't have the problem of three in at once, especially with the game as is. Hey! 3 new peeps! Here's the inferno! Go fix.

The mods are not really where the problem lies.

anwynd

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

- thread wont be locked if everything is in the lines of the forum rules.

Regards

do state what forum rule was broken in nightrages thread i read the whole thing & there were like a couple troll posts from one person & the rest were civil with a few edits i saw from you before you closed it so do tell what broke the rules in tht thread cus i sure the heck didnt see any rules tht were broken b:question

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

anwynd wrote: »

do state what forum rule was broken in nightrages thread i read the whole thing & there were like a couple troll posts from one person & the rest were civil with a few edits i saw from you before you closed it so do tell what broke the rules in tht thread cus i sure the heck didnt see any rules tht were broken b:question

Obviously, Rage's sexiness is a rule breaker, cuz all I saw was him being sexy all over that thread.

anwynd

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Obviously, Rage's sexiness is a rule breaker, cuz all I saw was him being sexy all over that thread.

lolz you rlly are obssessed arent youb:shockedb:chuckle

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

anwynd wrote: »

lolz you rlly are obssessed arent youb:shockedb:chuckle

A man who has the guts to say what he feels is indeed sexy. b:mischievous
Granted, this is not real life, and for all I know Rage is an 800lb, bald, middle-aged old man, but the way he can argue is amazing c:

anwynd

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

A man who has the guts to say what he feels is indeed sexy. b:mischievous
Granted, this is not real life, and for all I know Rage is an 800lb, bald, middle-aged old man, but the way he can argue is amazing c:

i read his post & i dare say it was actually pretty good i respect him for what he posted & how he posted in tht thread so im a little puzzled at why they banned him & closed tht thread kind of makes me a little pissed off to

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Grim seems to be........ a little hasty with the lock/edit buttons.


Seems to be a little over zealous.

Any new mod will do that. They have new toys to play with, expect them to play with them as much as they can find reason to. They, as newly recruited mods, feel an obligation to actually do things and even in the lack of having anything valid to do will stretch the limits to find something. It'll calm down over time... or at least it should.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Any new mod will do that. They have new toys to play with, expect them to play with them as much as they can find reason to. They, as newly recruited mods, feel an obligation to actually do things and even in the lack of having anything valid to do will stretch the limits to find something. It'll calm down over time... or at least it should.

Just wait... they'll all get fed up and give up mod status soon... just wait.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver

haybails wrote: »

Grim is familiar to all forum readers so will get some stick and pretty much so far, since becoming a mod, he's the one that's shown his face. He's just trying to do a job, which has really been left in such a state that they are set up to fail. That's not his fault, that lies elsewhere and, as we (and he) is well aware. The real reasons have been bubbling under for quite some time.

PWI has been fortunate that Hawk has voluntarily come back to assist a bit, they left themselves is such a state. Had they found a new mod once Konari left, once Andracil left and now that Ary has left, they wouldn't have the problem of three in at once, especially with the game as is. Hey! 3 new peeps! Here's the inferno! Go fix.

The mods are not really where the problem lies.

+100

Most of players forgot, that game is free to play.

From forum rules:

Dvorak wrote:

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eatwithspoons wrote:

Definitions
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Loltank - Harshlands

GrimReaperHC wrote: »

Mumintroll,

I read your post and I wont lock it even that it's breaking the forum rules -

No it isn't. Only thing that the rules have provisions for is "bad-mouthing" GMs and employees of PWE. You're not one. Don't flatter yourself.



I`ll let Frankie take a look at it, but I must warn you that if the flames/trolling becomes really much I wont have any other choise than locking it. Threads are being locked because they are breaking the rules, which people seems to forget. Write down your opinion, but without breaking the rules, and your thread will be there.

Why don't you outline exactly which rule is being broken? That would be awesome, but I suspect that you don't know them either. Spamming is against forum rules, and yet they made you a mod. I'd say they're more like guidelines, really.

There is something that most of the people here don't understand - the mods team is here to help you. We are players just like you, but instead of posting threads in the forums, we are playing the game, and if we have something to say we are doing it the civil way.

Yes, we all feel so helped when our opinions are stifled, supreme commander.

I really hope that soon you will understand this. I`m trying to be friendly to everyone around even if I get tons of troll posts towards me. I`m sure I`ll get even a few more after posting this one, but you wanted an answer from me, and I`m giving you.

Legitimate anger and criticism is not trolling. You're already on the slippery slope of "it's not me, it's them!"

I repeat - thread wont be locked if everything is in the lines of the forum rules.

Regards

Dear PWE,

I would like to submit my name for mod candidacy. I think I understand better than your current mods what the community wants and how to relate to them.

Hell, I think everyone understands this better than your current mods.

I hope that you will consider my proposal!

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

Dear PWE,

I would like to submit my name for mod candidacy. I think I understand better than your current mods what the community wants and how to relate to them.

Hell, I think everyone understands this better than your current mods.

I hope that you will consider my proposal!

You have my vote... because I like your siggie. b:cute


Oh... I guess I'm representing a banned member. Does that mean I get banned too? >w>
No skin off my nose, I can only check forums twice a week, every other day I work.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Okay, well... I missed the giant mod-rage tsunami, but...

Loltank wrote:

I would like to submit my name for mod candidacy. I think I understand better than your current mods what the community wants and how to relate to them.

I bet I could find a hundred people who would be decent mods by this standard alone. -_-

Protip: When the average joes you moderate start trying to take initiative because they honestly feel they can do better than you... uh, quit while you're ahead. >_> I mean, power-hungry kids are one thing but ffs, I could probably do better, too. Half the people in this thread could probably do better.

haybails

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+100

Most of players forgot, that game is free to play.

Thanks for the plus on my post and it is a fair and valid point, the free to play aspect. However, that only has a small bearing on where I was pointing the stick of doom-laden blame! b:shocked

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Not to mention the only real time I saw Grim posting was in the Fanatic Forums & Screenshots and videos...
I think maybe 3 times I saw him actually /helping/ someone else in the forums before mod. Now he's gone close thread happy. Might as well marry those two together so they never have to be apart.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

I honestly think the choice of mods was completely stupid, especially since I've never seen any of them post before.
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b:chuckle Grim spams in the "Post Pictures of Yourself" section