Is TW is going bad?

Lutirica - Harshlands

b:shocked So now according to pwi all players below 70 should not even bother makeing factions or being in territory wars? b:angry

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

methinks the point was that factions that know they have no chance shouldnt really waste their time and efforts, if they know theyre going to lose.

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver

With that sticky thread being there.


They just killed Territory War completely.


People were upset by mirages, well here is a slap in the face with that sticky.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

I appreciate the fact that the GMs think that people who know they are going to lose shouldn't bid...

...but what happened to the whole idea of this being a game and certain factions bidding to try and win against the odds, while having fun doing so?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

who cares? they just discouraged the idea of noobs trying to take on the standing powers, if you think about it, theyre advising them to save their charms, herbs, apoth items, etc. saving the noobs valuable time and money.

Toxic - Dreamweaver

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I appreciate the fact that the GMs think that people who know they are going to lose shouldn't bid...

...but what happened to the whole idea of this being a game and certain factions bidding to try and win against the odds, while having fun doing so?

Then that is considered fake bidding. You're not allowed to try anymore. Course if you don't try then you never get experience and so really you'll probably never win so everyone who has never had a land should just give up now.

Lutirica - Harshlands

perfect world is already losing players we can never get back change tw back to normal for the love of god or we wont have any players left b:surrender pwi is a very fun game tw is what makes it what it is that and people's other reasons but we will never get more people if you constantly destroy tw b:thanks

sweetsexylilmama

Pure Utter Bullcrappp thats what this is!!!b:angry INVERSION!!! FTW. I dont think anyone walks into a tw with knowing its a forsure win unless its friggin riggeddd!!! We have been working our butts off gearing up,lvling and working on teamwork and tactic's How the heck we ever suppose to win if we are no longer aloud to try!?!?BS!!

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I appreciate the fact that the GMs think that people who know they are going to lose shouldn't bid...

...but what happened to the whole idea of this being a game and certain factions bidding to try and win against the odds, while having fun doing so?

I love you, Airyll.


Seriously, the couple of times my faction went to TW was merely for training and having fun since winning was a rare possibility.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

who cares? they just discouraged the idea of noobs trying to take on the standing powers, if you think about it, theyre advising them to save their charms, herbs, apoth items, etc. saving the noobs valuable time and money.

How about the 7x, 8x players care.

You know, the people who aren't high enough of a level to join the top powers, who are typically all 90+ level requirements. How about the people who can no longer even attempt TW because they aren't in a guild deemed big enough by the GMs? How about all the people who TW'd for fun and didn't care about what it cost them?

I know you're one of the biggest "pro-GM and the changes to the game" people next to tweakz, but let's not downplay the number of people who do care just because you don't, shall we?

-edit-

And FYI, my guild is not a small guild. It's a level 3 faction with 100+ people. However, not all of these people are active any more.

If we were to TW we could probably muster about 40 at most to come with us, and the majority would probably be below 90. As TW now stands, our entire guild would either be threatened with, or simply would be banned for not being able to bring other people of a high enough level.

That is bull**** no matter how you swing it.

Lutirica - Harshlands

you have fallen far pwi b:sad change it back to the way it was

1. you can watch for fake bids but still give everyone a chance other wise there will be only 2 factions or maybe only 1 ever twing

2. you need to say who is biding bid wars are amoung one of the fun things there are

3.i understand you dont want to give money for tw but why should we do tw if we dont get something more than stones and "maybe" the other thing

4. i though games changed the way the players wanted? If you would follow our ideas we could be better than WoW and ********* which i think have more players then we will b:angry

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love you, Airyll.


Seriously, the couple of times my faction went to TW was merely for training and having fun since winning was a rare possibility.

And getting experience in TW is no longer an option. Unless, of course, you join Calamity.

Alphae - Lost City

The irony of this all is that the "fixes" to TW were to make TW more competitive and encourage participation from smaller, less dominant guilds.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And getting experience in TW is no longer an option. Unless, of course, you join Calamity.

Not really, as by the new rules there's only 2 or maybe 3 factions on the server even allowed to declare war on us :S

Lutirica - Harshlands

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And getting experience in TW is no longer an option. Unless, of course, you join Calamity.

i hear you there now people on harshlands people will only join the top 3 who even cares why dont you kill the faction system to gms <.< thats mainly what factions look forward to they dont care about cost and there is always a chance for a lower lvl based faction to win

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

b:shocked So now according to pwi all players below 70 should not even bother makeing factions or being in territory wars? b:angry

As I read it, it said a faction with low level average should not bid. What's low level average? It didn't say it's lvl 70. It might be lvl 20 for all we know.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Wait guys I've worked it out!!!!one11!!!!one!!!1!

Because the big dogs of most servers will only recruit 85+ (and that's me being generous, I know for a fact the big dogs on Dreamweaver might consider you if you're 90+. Might) they want everybody to buy hyper stones and power level, and then join the biggest guild if they can manage to do so.

They then want you to splash out on charms because it might very well be your first TW and you have no idea how it works! Don't forget to bring your OP gear along just in case your opponents have plans to roll you in under five minutes...

/conspiracy theory somebody was eventually going to say

But on a more serious note, these new rules are an utter disappointment. They discourage TW for 90% of guilds on all servers simply because they are no longer deemed big enough and will be assumed to be fake bidding.

I am disappoint, PWE.

Lutirica - Harshlands

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

As I read it, it said a faction with low level average should not bid. What's low level average? It didn't say it's lvl 70. It might be lvl 20 for all we know.

impossible they mean that anyone to low to take on big factions shouldnt even try 60-100+ are usually where the strong 1's start. I think 40-100+ can join whats the harm in that 30 below no one usually cares

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

How about the 7x, 8x players care.

you cant speak for the majority of them, whats there to take offense at a discouragement? nothing is stopping them from actually bidding and attempting to waste their efforts.

You know, the people who aren't high enough of a level to join the top powers, who are typically all 90+ level requirements. How about the people who can no longer even attempt TW because they aren't in a guild deemed big enough by the GMs? How about all the people who TW'd for fun and didn't care about what it cost them?

that hasnt stopped people from forming their own little guild and taking on people; even though they tend to fall apart due to strife or bad leadership such as the examples on lost city, theyre still accomplished time and time again. point two, the gms never said they cant try, once again they discouraged it. what does TW for fun have to do with being low leveled?

I know you're one of the biggest "pro-GM and the changes to the game" people next to tweakz, but let's not downplay the number of people who do care just because you don't, shall we?

im far from being 'pro gm/change.' i prefer to not hear idiotic banter about every little thing done by every little game rep, acting like theyre some culmination of evil. if it bothers you so much, get the hell out; no one wants to hear your whining.

Toxic - Dreamweaver

Thanks to the sore losers for reporting our guild and starting this whole mess. Grats! You just helped kill TW. b:victory

Lutirica - Harshlands

dreamweaver started all this <.<?

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really, as by the new rules there's only 2 or maybe 3 factions on the server even allowed to declare war on us :S

Even then, their leaders are at a sever risk of getting banned when you guys beat them.

Kanto has just shut down any reason whatsoever to even TW.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

To Lut -

No, one guild on DW started this by submitting a false claim against another guild to try and help further their own chances. Don't blame the whole server for one guild's ways.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

you cant speak for the majority of them, whats there to take offense at a discouragement? nothing is stopping them from actually bidding and attempting to waste their efforts.

How about banning them with the accusation of fake bidding?

that hasnt stopped people from forming their own little guild and taking on people; even though they tend to fall apart due to strife or bad leadership such as the examples on lost city, theyre still accomplished time and time again. point two, the gms never said they cant try, once again they discouraged it. what does TW for fun have to do with being low leveled?

TW for fun had nothing about being low levelled, the point was before these rules, what we deem low levels (70/80) had the ability to at least take part.

And again, GMs have just said they can't try. Read again:
They are banning factions who can't pull up a full roster and I'd assume that these guilds are also comprised of the lower level players who would do TW.

im far from being 'pro gm/change.' i prefer to not hear idiotic banter about every little thing done by every little game rep, acting like theyre some culmination of evil. if it bothers you so much, get the hell out; no one wants to hear your whining.

Bothers me? I don't TW. But look how many people have come in this thread saying this change is good.

... you... one person. Now then let's start counting how many people will come here saying what bullcrap this is. I guarantee you that you will be outnumbered, Waffle, because in this instance, accept the facts, you're downright wrong.

And read again, because you seem to like to miss points:

They are banning the guilds who are of a lower average level and/or cannot pull the full roster with the accusation of fake bidding.

Toxic - Dreamweaver

Yes because we attacked Calamity who owns the map, got wiped in 7 minutes. And got reported, NOT EVEN by the ones we attacked this week. >.>

Lutirica - Harshlands

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To Lut -

No, one guild on DW started this by submitting a false claim against another guild to try and help further their own chances. Don't blame the whole server for one guild's ways.

im not but its good to point the fingure at the server this faction is on <.<

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

dreamweaver started all this <.<?

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Even then, their leaders are at a sever risk of getting banned when you guys beat them.

I guess it depends on how they determine a guild's chances of winning. With multiple Cala defenses, yes Dynasty has a very good shot - their top 50 or so is damn tough and fight very well. If it's determined by top 80 vs top 80, then yes only EQ is allowed to bid on Cala now.

Shulkie - Dreamweaver

i'm not gonna repost what i wrote in the other thread but I think PW are shooting themselves in the foot here.

It has been posted many times in other threads that the opportunity to mass pvp out in the main game world is dwindling fast with any faction v faction or even squad v squad battles lasting minutes at most. This is frustrating for a lot of people.

TW is the final reason a lot of people play this game - it is not just about owning land - it is about the opportunity to pvp en-masse (where else can you fight 80 vs 80) in a safe environment where you don't lose gear or get ganked while questing (for those on pvp servers). A little common sense please GMs - or you might end up with a lot less players than you had when the games 3rd year began.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

im not but its good to point the fingure at the server this faction is on <.<

No, it's good to point the finger at the guild.

What server their on has little to do with anything, because for all you know people within that guild could have an alt on one, two, three other servers. Saying that the guild was in Dreamweaver does what? It's trying to lay blame on a server when the blame lies with only one guild.

One guild =/= whole server nor does it represent one. And yes, that includes Calamity. Just because it's the biggest it doesn't mean it represents an entire server. A lot of people seem to like to assume the biggest guild on one server represents the entire place. -.-

Woneo - Harshlands

If you are going to bid were you know you have no legitamate shot of winning, there would be literally 1 territory war, a 1 push war, on our server once a week.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

I still think it's hilarious that the guild that created this mess starting on DW is the one who claims to only want a multi-colored map.