Why pick a Psychic?

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Psy can do anything but only under certain circumstances.


For instance, let's say a sin is stalking me and he's perfectly capable of one shotting me. Switch into white voodoo and wear soul of retaliation: problem solved. You lose massive attack force to do this, but on the other hand, if you're a wizard and something one shots you, then....that's it. Nothing you can do.

If I get absolutely swarmed by people, I can Psy will and resist all the melee'ers, AND they're conveniently gathered around me for AOEing. This requires a spark though and has a 30 second cooldown.


Think of an assassin. Assassin has a lot of skills that are quite deadly, but have epic-sized cooldowns. This means they can be really good in a fight one minute, but really bad as things run out. A sin without Deaden Nerves, Maze steps and Shadow Escape is severely weakened compared to a sin that does. In this sense, when a sin fights a battle, it feels like they're on a time limit. Before the time limit is up, the sin is more powerful than the average bear; after the "time limit" is up and most of it's best skills have been used in battle, then a sin is rather poor.


In the same sense, Psys are sorta on a time limit. However, we're MUCH more flexible than sins. A Psy in white voodoo can tank, but can't kill. Unless you have Soulburn on you, it's not likely you can get a kill in white voodoo. A Psy in black voodoo on the other hand can kill, but can't tank. Unless you have Psy will on you, it's unlikely you'll be able to kill some opponents before they kill you.

A Psy shares a sin's brief moments of incredible power, BUT we're much more flexible afterwards. If you Psy soulburn an opponent in white voodoo and he's still not dead, you're perfectly capable of switching to Black voodoo and risking your defense for the sake of getting the kill. If you're about to go down and you're in black, you're perfectly capable of switching over to white.






So basically, a Psy is nice because it's capable of most extremes (it can be a high DPS class, a tank, a support, a fairly devent healer), it has skills that hold incredible power (Soulburn, Psy will, Earth Vector) and it's very flexible.

this is not true when it comes to an assassin. an assassin with tidal protection/focus mind, blood paint, and deaden nervs can take damage fairly well while dealing dmg at the same time. so a sin is very versatile, the only problem is u need $$$ to make use of it. but same can be said for psy.

the tide borns are a "pay to win" class, meaning they are weak and will stay weak if u dont invest money in them. if u do invest money into them they become OP and the best out of any of the other races that have equal money gear. that is how the devs made them.

Born_Free - Harshlands

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this is not true when it comes to an assassin. an assassin with tidal protection/focus mind, blood paint, and deaden nervs can take damage fairly well while dealing dmg at the same time. so a sin is very versatile, the only problem is u need $$$ to make use of it. but same can be said for psy.

the tide borns are a "pay to win" class, meaning they are weak and will stay weak if u dont invest money in them. if u do invest money into them they become OP and the best out of any of the other races that have equal money gear. that is how the devs made them.

So says the guy with the level 8 Psychic. b:bye Are you TRYING to correct Longknife? LMAO. That's like trying to correct Jlung when he tells you how to play a barb, idiot.

I happen to be a NOT pay to play member. Guess what? Still rolling people who tick me off like it's no problem. And hell, I'm a HYBRID build. Imagine how hard you'd get rolled if I was a pure mag. (Or, how hard I'd be rolled if I didn't have all those points in Vit.)

Fail troll is fail.

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

So says the guy with the level 8 Psychic. b:bye Are you TRYING to correct Longknife? LMAO. That's like trying to correct Jlung when he tells you how to play a barb, idiot.

I happen to be a NOT pay to play member. Guess what? Still rolling people who tick me off like it's no problem. And hell, I'm a HYBRID build. Imagine how hard you'd get rolled if I was a pure mag. (Or, how hard I'd be rolled if I didn't have all those points in Vit.)

Fail troll is fail.

you should learn the definition of what a troll is little girl. also, stop sucking longknifes dickk ok? he has enough people that does that.


and 2ndly, the tide born is the race that benefits the MOST out of CSing. if you are to stupid to realize that then look at what happens to your soulforce once you start upgrading as just ONE of the many examples. if you are still to stupid to see it then you cant be helped.

and thirdly, start playing a ASSASSIN before you blurt out stupid things like the tool you are.

"OMG YOU DISSAGREEING WITH LONGKNIFE!?!?! KILL THAT ****!!"

really, i cant stand people like this lol. they always see a person that they pick and dub as God on these types of games and anyone that disagrees with him should be exiled to the deepest parts of hell. learn how to think for yourself ok child?

i am saying he is wrong about what he said about assassins. they are very good tanks, especially a sage sin and can dish out damn good dmg with 5 APS. now u can tear my throat out if u want just because i said he is wrong, but it still will stand that he is wrong.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

So says the guy with the level 8 Psychic. b:bye Are you TRYING to correct Longknife? LMAO. That's like trying to correct Jlung when he tells you how to play a barb, idiot.

I happen to be a NOT pay to play member. Guess what? Still rolling people who tick me off like it's no problem. And hell, I'm a HYBRID build. Imagine how hard you'd get rolled if I was a pure mag. (Or, how hard I'd be rolled if I didn't have all those points in Vit.)

Fail troll is fail.

uh-uh he was mainly talking about sins...
the only reference to psy was the pay to win and longknife did not mention anything about that.


also, while i do have the impression that longknife is a very good psy from what i have read, I absolutely disagree with the concept of infallibility.
your post makes you look like a fangirl with no understanding of reasoning.
appeal to authority is soo last century.

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i am saying he is wrong about what he said about assassins. they are very good tanks, especially a sage sin and can dish out damn good dmg with 5 APS. now u can tear my throat out if u want just because i said he is wrong, but it still will stand that he is wrong.

i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw

setantasrose

Did the part of not flaming one another suddenly pass through your ears? Keep it clean.

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear

i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw

i was refering to what he said about versatility of a sin vs a psy. a sage sin can take a good amount of dmg while dishing out a good ammount of dmg at the same time because of skills like sage Blood paint and sage focus mind/tidal along with various other skills.

also if a sin has 5APS a second there moment of power is never "brief" like he suggests. its always constant and a 5 APS sin with blood paint and charms alone is enough to keep u alive while dishing out dmg.

Vienna - Dreamweaver

'' i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw ''

Sins are the whorst tanks, but love to tank even more as archers, even if they also suck as tanks. Which is a good tank, ask a cleric because only they know how easy or hard is someone to keep alive. To heal a Sin on a boss is almost the same as you would let a Psychic tank a full phys.attack boss with >black voodoo on<. Nighmare till mission impossible. And if you can tank something as a SIN is the cleric so good not the sin inself.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw ''

Sins are the whorst tanks, but love to tank even more as archers, even if they also suck as tanks. Which is a good tank, ask a cleric because only they know how easy or hard is someone to keep alive. To heal a Sin on a boss is almost the same as you would let a Psychic tank a full phys.attack boss with >black voodoo on<. Nighmare till mission impossible. And if you can tank something as a SIN is the cleric so good not the sin inself.

i cannot really know but i find kinda hard to believe that it's hard to keep one alive if the boss dies in ~1-2min. i'm talking about -int sins btw

LiquidAcid - Lost City

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw ''

Sins are the whorst tanks, but love to tank even more as archers, even if they also suck as tanks. Which is a good tank, ask a cleric because only they know how easy or hard is someone to keep alive. To heal a Sin on a boss is almost the same as you would let a Psychic tank a full phys.attack boss with >black voodoo on<. Nighmare till mission impossible. And if you can tank something as a SIN is the cleric so good not the sin inself.

Truer words could not have been spoken b:thanks. Any class can tank in a dungeon and its always thanks to the cleric keeping that person alive. I wouldn't want to tank HH on white vodoo and pots alone b:surrender.

Oneji - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

So says the guy with the level 8 Psychic. b:bye Are you TRYING to correct Longknife? LMAO. That's like trying to correct Jlung when he tells you how to play a barb, idiot.

I happen to be a NOT pay to play member. Guess what? Still rolling people who tick me off like it's no problem. And hell, I'm a HYBRID build. Imagine how hard you'd get rolled if I was a pure mag. (Or, how hard I'd be rolled if I didn't have all those points in Vit.)

Fail troll is fail.

Sorry but I have to agree with Psycho on this one.Even though you look up to Longknife, it does not mean he cannot be wrong. Anyway I think he is trying to say(I believe so anyway)that assassins are flexible.

I dont believe assassins are on a time limit anyway(I am talking about a well geared 5aps assassin). They could start with a stun lock(but what 5aps really does this),and if all else fails demon/sage spark, immune pot then DD away. Now if that fails they can still stealth again rinse and repeat .

Oh and quick question Born_Free, are you one of Longs slavesb:laugh?

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' i dont exactly see where he mentioned that sins cannot tank, but anyway, sin tanks ftw ''

Sins are the whorst tanks, but love to tank even more as archers, even if they also suck as tanks. Which is a good tank, ask a cleric because only they know how easy or hard is someone to keep alive. To heal a Sin on a boss is almost the same as you would let a Psychic tank a full phys.attack boss with >black voodoo on<. Nighmare till mission impossible. And if you can tank something as a SIN is the cleric so good not the sin inself.

you must not know about the wonders of blood paint and 5 APS. this is even more apprent with sage sins. a sin with 5 APS and sage blood paint do not even need a cleric to heal them. they can stay alive with charms and blood paint alone at 5 APS. and this is without even factoring in deaden nervs and tidal protection/focus mind.

so no, there tanking abilities do not come from clerics. clerics help, yes, as with any class and they are needed. but a good built sin can tank bosses without the need for a cleric IF need be. they are obviously not as good as a barb or a BM, but they can fend for themselves quite easily if geared right.

Hypnos - Raging Tide

Can I have an admirer too? b:sad

Oneji - Heavens Tear

Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »

Can I have an admirer too? b:sad

You have to the word "long" in your name to have a female admirer b:chuckle.

Exegesis - Heavens Tear

I want admirers too b:cry

I posts the word long - maybe they pick it up b:pleased

Vienna - Dreamweaver

'' so no, there tanking abilities do not come from clerics. clerics help, yes, as with any class and they are needed. but a good built sin can tank bosses without the need for a cleric IF need be. they are obviously not as good as a barb or a BM, but they can fend for themselves quite easily if geared right ''

Ahahaha, and it was christmas xD. Post that in a cleric forum loooool. Have any sin a courage and post a topic how you can tank in a cleric forum ?b:chuckle

Psychosiss - Heavens Tear

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' so no, there tanking abilities do not come from clerics. clerics help, yes, as with any class and they are needed. but a good built sin can tank bosses without the need for a cleric IF need be. they are obviously not as good as a barb or a BM, but they can fend for themselves quite easily if geared right ''

Ahahaha, and it was christmas xD. Post that in a cleric forum loooool. Have any sin a courage and post a topic how you can tank in a cleric forum ?b:chuckle

if i did that id just be trolling o.o

Derressh - Dreamweaver

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' so no, there tanking abilities do not come from clerics. clerics help, yes, as with any class and they are needed. but a good built sin can tank bosses without the need for a cleric IF need be. they are obviously not as good as a barb or a BM, but they can fend for themselves quite easily if geared right ''

Ahahaha, and it was christmas xD. Post that in a cleric forum loooool. Have any sin a courage and post a topic how you can tank in a cleric forum ?b:chuckle

A 9x sin from my faction actually tanks bh79 quite easily. ._.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Vienna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

'' so no, there tanking abilities do not come from clerics. clerics help, yes, as with any class and they are needed. but a good built sin can tank bosses without the need for a cleric IF need be. they are obviously not as good as a barb or a BM, but they can fend for themselves quite easily if geared right ''

Ahahaha, and it was christmas xD. Post that in a cleric forum loooool. Have any sin a courage and post a topic how you can tank in a cleric forum ?b:chuckle

sorry to disappoint you vienna, but, newsflash, even clerics are becoming a (useless) hp pot/charm. not only it is possible for a sin to tank but he can do it without a cleric.
lvl up a bit and abandon the mindset of the tank is the barb.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

ryukage wrote: »

Um... What Janus is TRYING to say, is that the Psychic isnt one of those -interval stacking classes that excels to godlike proportions in the DPS-world, in which he is correct.

Psychic is the highest DPSer among magic classes, no one can debate this; however magic DPS is still miles behind interval DPS when it comes to single targets. I'm pretty sure that is the only thing he was trying to say. (Would have been easier for him if he just said it this way, rather than getting mixed up in a trolling contest.)

As for AoE DPS, Psychic wins, period. Psychic is the only magic class that can aoe as fast and as consistently as a zhen, without actually using one. Then factor in things like black voodoo. Then consider that the Psychic needs 0 chi to accomplish this, and can stop/restart as he wishes because its just a skill-spam combo; which means he can easily activate spark bursts while he does so.

But anyways, to stop the pointless argument: I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on the following points:
1) Psychic is the highest average DPS among magic classes. (A Wizard's Sutra combo will surpass it for 6 seconds, but the rest of the time the Psychic would have the lead.)
2) Magic class DPS is far behind interval-class DPS, when it comes to single targets.
3) When it comes to AoE DPS, Psychic is the king-pin.

Also, random sidenote:


^ This is a person who has never heard of an interval assassin, ijs.

Psychics do have spamable aoes

but just a question

wouldn't a wiz with -chan outdamage a psy

As wizards get better benefit with -chan than psys.

ryukage

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Psychics do have spamable aoes

but just a question

wouldn't a wiz with -chan outdamage a psy

As wizards get better benefit with -chan than psys.

Actually, yes. I did BH100 with a Wizard on my server who could perma -74% channel. I could still out-damage him, but only because my weapon is a lot better (which becomes even more of a factor after applying +25 attack levels from my Sage Black Voodoo). If my weapon had been equal to his, his DPS would have pulled past mine. The math was quite easily in his favor otherwise. If his base skill damage is higher, and he delivers the spell faster... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he'd be ahead. But like I said, the strength of my weapon, compared to his, kept the numbers in my favor.

Which actually goes right back to what I was saying about the Sutra combo. Wizards are built to take the most advantage of -channel effects, while Psychics don't get as much of the benefit. (Reason why you don't see successful Psychic's trying to pull off such high channel set-ups.)

The noticeable downside to that guy's -channel set-up is that he didn't really have a lot of room for pdef and hp adds, which I'd have to assume made him even squishier than my -11 defense levels. Stone Barrier can only do so much if your gear is lacking pdef to begin with, right?

But I still hold that Psychic is the kingpin for aoe DPS at the moment, since Wizards can't aoe as freely as we can, and our aoe combo has far greater skill damage than the Wizard zhen. And even Archer's Barrage, powerful as it is, also can't be used as freely because of the two spark cost.

TunaMan - Heavens Tear

-attacks with a barrage of tuna talismans-

Begone, back into the watery depths of the forum grave whence you came, you vile thread.

The power of tuna compels you!

THE POWER OF TUNA COMPELS YOU! b:angry