Cleric's need vitality?
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Ok......so I wrote when I first started cleric......now almost 70 and loving it. My newest question that I would like some advice on relates to build. I was building myself pure, however, someone told me that I need vitality or I wont be able to survive high level instances due to AoE.
Looking for advice from clerics that have used different builds...ty
Also.......I have an archer and I remember reading that for other classes just equipping a +crit arrow is a waste. Anyone have an opinion on this as a side note?
Looking for advice from clerics that have used different builds...ty
Also.......I have an archer and I remember reading that for other classes just equipping a +crit arrow is a waste. Anyone have an opinion on this as a side note?
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Like any magic class adding vit with stat points is not necessary, however keep in mind lower hp can be a problem in some instance's that have AOE Bosses. Don't be down though there are other ways to get higher hp then adding stats to vit, for example finding equipment that has hp and vit modifiers, refining and adding hp shards can boost your hp pool.
Edit: Also Physical Resistant Modifiers are good for magic users, also using a protection necklace and belt is better that the other types.0 -
yeah.......I was just wondering if this was an ACTUAL problem......or if it was just a preference/build. If I am correct clerics only get 10hp per point of dexterity which seems like such a waste of a stat point. Also......it would seem logical that most AoE's would be magic based.....not that you can apply logic to a fantasy gameb:chuckle
This gets into sharding questions.......p defense or hp?0 -
I would mixed it up between hp and physical defense shards, cause having more hp never hurts to have nor is having more physical defense.0
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You dont "need" vitality but you pretty much want to aim for 5k hp AT LEAST. I only say this because any AOE from high level instances is 5k (if my memory serves me correctly).
I know many pure clerics and many hybrids and both do great; I personally have 100 vit and am sharded all with garnets- but to make up for my lack of 100 magic... I have a +10 weapon.
Just remember... there are many ways to gain HP and where you lack, there are many ways to make up for things such as citrine shards or higher refines on armor. Clerics get 10 hp for every 1 vitality point so... just figure out what works best for you. Play styles are different and there really isnt a "wrong" way to do it. b:cute
b:avoid I heard the crit arrow thing was worthless too... but I still do it anyways.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I don't believe adding in vit is entirely necessary, just a personal choice. I have 40 vit and shard with flawless citrines, and it's worked out fine. You just need to have a goal on how much hp you need. I believe you'll need 3k hp unbuffed at 80 lvl, and 4k unbuffed at lvl 90. This would work out to be about 5k hp buffed at lvl 90, which is what you'll need in FCC. It'll allow you to survive the 5k aoes which will hopefully prevent squad wipe.
Also... don't go into dangerous instances with very low hp at lvl 90... I once had a lvl 90 cleric with low hp as a squadmate in FCC. While he wasn't very good in his job, didn't really listen and was inattentive, he was... very squishy, complaining that he couldn't afford to shard his equips. Died a lot and very easily. There is a boss in FCC called Draelindra that summons annoying bishops and aoes. I spent just as much time healing the squad as I did ressing him! b:surrenderSyredrae ~ lvl 100 Cleric (main character)
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Being pure mag early on is a big deal because people tend not to refine/shard high at lower levels. It's much more cost-effective to just stat some vit here and there then re-stat out your vit as you go along and are satisfied with HP. Often times you'll find yourself in a heap of trouble that skills alone won't get you out of, so it's nice to have some survivability when **** hits the fan. That being said, my cleric has ~ 4900 HP unbuffed and 10,500 MP, and am fine when I do nirvana, TT, BH, FF, and so on. Still got more refines to do to get my base HP over 6K, but also have an army of chars so can't go all out on one.0
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For the content you are about to encounter in your 70s-80s to be comfortable you need about 4k-4.5k HP buffed, and any pdef to help substain that raw HP and absorb it.
So for most part look at the content ahead of you, then build from that.0 -
The +crit arrow does nothing at all.
If you enjoy your build, go ahead. So far I've only tried pure arcane and light builds. Found the light build to be a lot better despite the lower damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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most people who tell you to only do pure builds are very close minded and refuse to do any other build. percentage wise, vitality doesn't just up your hp, but it also ups your mp and mp regen as well, meaning that you will not only last longer than other clerics, but you're also not going to die in one hit, but in any case, my suggestion is 1str:2vit:7mag: what you lose in magic attack you can easilly make up for. but then again I'm one who likes to fight her own battles, if you like hanging in the back... pure is the only way to go.0
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Uniquea - Raging Tide wrote: »most people who tell you to only do pure builds are very close minded and refuse to do any other build. percentage wise, vitality doesn't just up your hp, but it also ups your mp and mp regen as well, meaning that you will not only last longer than other clerics, but you're also not going to die in one hit, but in any case, my suggestion is 1str:2vit:7mag: what you lose in magic attack you can easilly make up for. but then again I'm one who likes to fight her own battles, if you like hanging in the back... pure is the only way to go.
Date of last post: 09-19-2010, 06:18 AMb:avoid
As for your opinion, you are being close minded yourself, assuming pure is only for hanging in the back. If you got the gear to make up for your low defense, pure is not bad at all. Considering people use pots, the passive regen bonus you get is not very noticable at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TsarBomba - Heavens Tear wrote: »Date of last post: 09-19-2010, 06:18 AMb:avoid
As for your opinion, you are being close minded yourself, assuming pure is only for hanging in the back. If you got the gear to make up for your low defense, pure is not bad at all. Considering people use pots, the passive regen bonus you get is not very noticable at all.
This. You won't believe how many vit clerics i run into calling me fail cause im a pure build, yet i have almost double their hp unbuffed.
Im a pure build and im a cata cleric, so im definitely not hanging in the back. Also i urge clerics to invest in one physical ring, the loss of that channel is not noticeable at all.lalalala Pokemon
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My cleric has 180 vit. I enjoy playing her a lot b:cute. Of course I have no problem with aoe bosses (6k HP unbuff), but the catch is I hit 1k5 - 2k weaker than pure build cleric b:sad
My only advice: If you have money to refine gears, and can afford decent HP shards, then go pure. Otherwise, hybrid (vit build) seems better b:cute Like the above posts said, a cleric SHOULD have 5k hp at lvl 100 (of course I've seen cleric w 4k sth HP did fantastically, but wouldn't it be easier for you to take care of the squad if you have 5k HP?)Insanity b:thanks0 -
To answer the OP.
No you don't need any vit to do well.
I've leveled up my cleric without ever adding a single point into vit.
The only thing you need to do, is keep up the gear with your level.
As for the 5k HP urban legend: the 5k hp is only handy when some noob in FC hit a hand.
You don't need 5k hp to do most of the instances, you just need to know how to play your cleric.0 -
My cleric has just 20 Vit , but has faced not many problems till now. However his gear is is sharded and carefully planned. Some Vit never hurts but most people restat at the end , so it's use-limit depends on you playstyle-abilities[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »The only thing you need to do, is keep up the gear with your level.
As for the 5k HP urban legend: the 5k hp is only handy when some noob in FC hit a hand.
You don't need 5k hp to do most of the instances, you just need to know how to play your cleric.
Also the blue circles and suicidal white mobs in nirvana deal 5001 damage.
Disregarding that, 5k hp is not a bad milestone to aim for. Your survivability is just about right in that range.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »To answer the OP.
No you don't need any vit to do well.
I've leveled up my cleric without ever adding a single point into vit.
The only thing you need to do, is keep up the gear with your level.
As for the 5k HP urban legend: the 5k hp is only handy when some noob in FC hit a hand.
You don't need 5k hp to do most of the instances, you just need to know how to play your cleric.
+1 but only in PVE
In PVP and TW, 5k hp is definitely needed, but i do fine in TW with 4.6k hp. (maybe it's cause im in middle tier TW fac and we mostly fight against middle tier TW fac?)0 -
I totally agree with what has been said above too; 5k hp is indeed a really nice goal for a cleric.
Regarding PvP, you need a lot more hp for sure, especially if you're facing r9 opponents...0 -
I tried vit cleric. Couldn't heal sufficiently or efficiently: Couldn't DD efficiently.
Clerics suck at pdef, but vit builds are mooch builds in PvE. You expect your tank and dd's to have proper gear, and so should healers!0 -
anyone still statting vit beyond 10-20 is just wrong ijs.
worry about hp in early levels? Go refine and shard that beginner rank gear. Go troll AH for gears that add HP, pdef or vit. Can't believe how lazy people are to scan their gears then yammer at endgame for their fail builds which cost more to restat with restat notes costing around millions. Those millions should have been poured to refine and shard gears.
With healer classes, think twice before putting your stats. You're the lifeblood of the squad.Go Pure or go Fail
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Weird how you seem to know cleric so well, at level 29. And holy necro this post is almost 2 years old. Vit doesn't increase mp either.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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^ +1Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »Weird how you seem to know cleric so well, at level 29. And holy necro this post is almost 2 years old. Vit doesn't increase mp either.
Core says she's lv43, but your statement still applies b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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akosireann wrote: »anyone still statting vit beyond 10-20 is just wrong ijs.
worry about hp in early levels? Go refine and shard that beginner rank gear. Go troll AH for gears that add HP, pdef or vit. Can't believe how lazy people are to scan their gears then yammer at endgame for their fail builds which cost more to restat with restat notes costing around millions. Those millions should have been poured to refine and shard gears.
With healer classes, think twice before putting your stats. You're the lifeblood of the squad.
pff whats that i do just fine as a Heavy lv100 cleric with r8 ty you very much
maybe your running with noobs dd and tank who need heal all the freaking time and have no refine to last a few hits.
that is not my problem and should not be anybodys problem
you like pure keep playing pure but dont act like your build is the best cos not all like wanting to be 1 shoot in pk
now bb noob b:bye0 -
_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »
you like pure keep playing pure but dont act like your build is the best cos not all like wanting to be 1 shoot in pk
Pure clerics gets 1 shot in PK?
Go to RT go red named on West arch and try oneshotting Mrs_Mav or any of our red named clerics there....
There are shards for vit, there are shards for added pdef, def levels etc...you don't have money for that you can farm anything in this game. Too lazy, you can load cash...
Apparently there are no shards to increase IQ cause you really need those, I dread what kind of healing power a HA cleric has, and for that I will gladly BB for your squad in your steadGo Pure or go Fail
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I actually dont mind both builds tbh. Vit just means more refines on the wep. Pure means more refines into the gear. im probably gonna go full garnet gems due to Jades being so expensive. But really pure builds can work in tw if you have the gear to withstand it. No build is wrong, just depends how much time you willing to put in if your a non cser. I think i spent 5months farming my full g15, another 2months warsong belt and cube neck, 1month for pdef lunar and mdef lunar rings, another month cloud charger, and now waiting for sale to +10 rest of gear, and took me another 4months to manage to get the coin. There really is no time to be lazy if you want to survive in tw, should farm everyday, but i didnt lol im so lazy so thats why it took me so long.lalalala Pokemon
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akosireann wrote: »Pure clerics gets 1 shot in PK?
Go to RT go red named on West arch and try oneshotting Mrs_Mav or any of our red named clerics there....
There are shards for vit, there are shards for added pdef, def levels etc...you don't have money for that you can farm anything in this game. Too lazy, you can load cash...
Apparently there are no shards to increase IQ cause you really need those, I dread what kind of healing power a HA cleric has, and for that I will gladly BB for your squad in your stead
Didn't Mrs_Mav restat to pure vit though?
I'm not arguing with you, I agree that Pure Magic does not necessarily mean squishy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
akosireann wrote: »Pure clerics gets 1 shot in PK?
Apparently there are no shards to increase IQ cause you really need those, I dread what kind of healing power a HA cleric has, and for that I will gladly BB for your squad in your stead
HA clerics with decent refines heal just fine if played right and I'm fairly certain that with all the aps monkeys with BP running around BB is only useful in pve for the damage reduction effect...0 -
SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »HA clerics with decent refines heal just fine if played right and I'm fairly certain that with all the aps monkeys with BP running around, BB is only useful in pve for the damage reduction effect...
LMFAO b:laughInsanity b:thanks0 -
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As far as I am concerned, VIT is for self survival in grinding I believe. Other than that, you can't heal too well when it comes to people who careless about making sure they decrease the damage taken (look at the APS users!). VIT does not help me in anyway from an old cleric I played, my IH was level 10, was using a yaksa +0 with no shards, and have BB. I just couldn't heal the tanks that aren't barbs (before genesis expansion) well as well as not being able to damage as much as I could with pure magic. Even worse, I still can get killed still pretty easily even with 820 boost from 82 VIT. So just end up quitting that cleric because of that. As far as I am concerned, HP and physical defense is only needed in squads with bosses (or AOE) that does physical AOE attacks. So I was fooled by the "minor" nerf in magical bonus (2x/3x/5x damage from weapon bonus attacks lessened in % too, even worse on healing, 7% of base magic potency nerf is a lot for heals because 93% which will be 20-50% of that 93%).
In conclusion, does clerics need vitality? Depends on how much VIT you have but a smart player don't need VIT on a caster class, utilize your skills on your cleric, you have plume shell / BB for a reason. Also from how well you prepare gear is important as well.0
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