Recent TW Changes: Mages now useless?

Adroit - Lost City

MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »

the only reason u even use fortify is so u can attack and move after ironguard
no other reason to use it really

for someone with no creativity maybe. I use it to break a stun lock (like a bm occults me as it is flying up I fortify to resist the next stun), I use it to resist a bm roar in TW, to almost ensure my ulti gets off (in TW or 1v1), sometimes b4 a sutra, if you are good you can resist an archer/nix stun so you dont always have to take a beating b4 u can atk back.. god I cant even think of all the possibilities, definitely one of my fav/most used genie skills. Mages are quickly targetted for stun, but we dont have any natural anti-stun skill. Cheap spammable anti stun skill? Yes plz.

MrHanky - Harshlands

i guess its preference i usually AD if i get bubbled usually right b4 it wears off.
and as for stuns in TW i carry antistun pots for that
reason i dont like it in tw is the magical def drop

i usually worry more about killing and with that usually use all my genie energy on EP
pretty much most people are 1shots with EP if not 2 ...except for barbs of course.

Tainaker - Harshlands

i luv how is ppl is now talking about tactics and how the pwn other players i guess there is still hope ;D

Watter - Lost City

well, wizards have a great power, u better never doubt about it... i've seen a wizard pwn any sins that came to her in secs...

BUT... to unlock this great power, they need a LOT of real money... simple like that, if u can't spend $400 a month, don't play PWI...

this game is pretty much screwed, now (mainly after the anniversary packs and the expansion) they only care about cash shoppers...

and who thinks the opposite, well, i just can be sorry that ur lil head can't see out of your utopicly perfect idea that PWI is awesome and balanced (i had this idea in the beginning...)

i may be being a flamer now, but just wanted to rage quit a bit... please, this game is s.ht now, go play jade dynasty or -insert any other game here but PWI-

final thoughts, this game is free to play, pay to win... it's better to pay around $15 per month to play b:chuckle-insert here a 3 letter surprise expresion, synonym of "oh my god"-b:chuckle than throw a lot more in PWI

cheers b:pleased

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

well, wizards have a great power, u better never doubt about it... i've seen a wizard pwn any sins that came to her in secs...

BUT... to unlock this great power, they need a LOT of real money... simple like that, if u can't spend $400 a month, don't play PWI...

this game is pretty much screwed, now (mainly after the anniversary packs and the expansion) they only care about cash shoppers...

and who thinks the opposite, well, i just can be sorry that ur lil head can't see out of your utopicly perfect idea that PWI is awesome and balanced (i had this idea in the beginning...)

i may be being a flamer now, but just wanted to rage quit a bit... please, this game is s.ht now, go play jade dynasty or -insert any other game here but PWI-

final thoughts, this game is free to play, pay to win... it's better to pay around $15 per month to play b:chuckle-insert here a 3 letter surprise expresion, synonym of "oh my god"-b:chuckle than throw a lot more in PWI

cheers b:pleased

i dont spend 400 a month (more like 100-200 and most of that is on charms and fash) and im doing just fineb:bye

Adroit - Lost City

MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »

i guess its preference i usually AD if i get bubbled usually right b4 it wears off.
and as for stuns in TW i carry antistun pots for that
reason i dont like it in tw is the magical def drop

i usually worry more about killing and with that usually use all my genie energy on EP
pretty much most people are 1shots with EP if not 2 ...except for barbs of course.

Ya anti stun pots and domain are spammable with 2 and 3 min cooldowns.. lol. The whole idea of fortify in TW is to a) get away from the bm that is about to stun and dragon u that would end in your immediate death or b) give ur ulti a better chance to land. If you are really concerned about the mdef drop just use a mdef charm before you fortify. Yes it does ultimately come down to personal preference, but dont hate on fortify until you've actually used it, its blatantly obvious you havent.

Oh, and if everyone is a 1-2 shot besides barbs you are either fighting n00bs, you have a g14+ +10 or higher wep, or you are exaggerating. Which is it.

Loltank - Harshlands

Tainaker - Harshlands wrote: »

i luv how is ppl is now talking about tactics and how the pwn other players i guess there is still hope ;D

The problem is that wizards start off at such a huge disadvantage that they have to burn literally every survival skill at their disposal just to have a small chance at victory.

MrHanky - Harshlands

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Ya anti stun pots and domain are spammable with 2 and 3 min cooldowns.. lol. The whole idea of fortify in TW is to a) get away from the bm that is about to stun and dragon u that would end in your immediate death or b) give ur ulti a better chance to land. If you are really concerned about the mdef drop just use a mdef charm before you fortify. Yes it does ultimately come down to personal preference, but dont hate on fortify until you've actually used it, its blatantly obvious you havent.

Oh, and if everyone is a 1-2 shot besides barbs you are either fighting n00bs, you have a g14+ +10 or higher wep, or you are exaggerating. Which is it.

i do use it b4 an ironguard thats it i dont spam it because i save my genies energy for Extreme Poison which makes them 1 or 2 shots.

and yes i only fight noobs because i want to win

Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear

lol in rl @ that
b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City

Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol in rl @ that
b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle

Paimage - Harshlands

well, my gear cant be considered decent for my lvl cuz I hav 2.8k phy def(5k self buffed I think) and 4.4k hp unbuffed(5.8k buffed or so), even with that I only have problems against assassins/BMs that have more then 3 atk/sec which usually have good gears to get that much interval. So I dont think mages r useless now that TW are a bit fked, I have no problems getting in GV squads, TT or Nirvana, in world pvp mages naturally arent the best for 1v1 but in group I do pretty well.
Obviously a BM/sin with over 3 atk/sec will be better then any class in pve but thats how the classes were designed. Venos can solo alot of stuff but u cant say thats unfair cuz they are suppose to be the best solo class(or at least one of the best), Barbs are natural tanks but u cant say its unfair either... what Im trying to say is each class has its role and wizards are no exception, we werent made to be better then a 5 atk/sec class in pve or even solo pvp, but wizards certainly are deadly not just in TW but in group pvp aswell.
So no, mages arent useless now at all.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

well, wizards have a great power, u better never doubt about it... i've seen a wizard pwn any sins that came to her in secs...

BUT... to unlock this great power, they need a LOT of real money... simple like that, if u can't spend $400 a month, don't play PWI...

this game is pretty much screwed, now (mainly after the anniversary packs and the expansion) they only care about cash shoppers...

and who thinks the opposite, well, i just can be sorry that ur lil head can't see out of your utopicly perfect idea that PWI is awesome and balanced (i had this idea in the beginning...)

i may be being a flamer now, but just wanted to rage quit a bit... please, this game is s.ht now, go play jade dynasty or -insert any other game here but PWI-

final thoughts, this game is free to play, pay to win... it's better to pay around $15 per month to play b:chuckle-insert here a 3 letter surprise expresion, synonym of "oh my god"-b:chuckle than throw a lot more in PWI

cheers b:pleased

I was ganna write a big story on how I am doing more than good enough for my personal goals with buying almost no zhen (about 90 dollars, 45 of which was for a glacial blade).
But I'm not even ganna borther and just smile at my 10th place in the celestial tiger

Have a nice day

Aquagirl - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

maybe at this (red part)

MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »

i do use it b4 an ironguard thats it i dont spam it because i save my genies energy for Extreme Poison which makes them 1 or 2 shots.

and yes i only fight noobs because i want to win

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Why are ppl QQing about wizards being useless? I just facepalm so hard... Maybe its the OP equips ftl b:surrender

Loltank - Harshlands

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why are ppl QQing about wizards being useless? I just facepalm so hard... Maybe its the OP equips ftl b:surrender

I refuse to take this trollbait, sir. An admirable effort.



@Pai: where the hell do you find group pvp that doesn't result in a stealthed sin insta-ganking you as soon as you turn pink?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

well, my gear cant be considered decent for my lvl cuz I hav 2.8k phy def(5k self buffed I think) and 4.4k hp unbuffed(5.8k buffed or so), even with that I only have problems against assassins/BMs that have more then 3 atk/sec which usually have good gears to get that much interval. So I dont think mages r useless now that TW are a bit fked, I have no problems getting in GV squads, TT or Nirvana, in world pvp mages naturally arent the best for 1v1 but in group I do pretty well.
Obviously a BM/sin with over 3 atk/sec will be better then any class in pve but thats how the classes were designed. Venos can solo alot of stuff but u cant say thats unfair cuz they are suppose to be the best solo class(or at least one of the best), Barbs are natural tanks but u cant say its unfair either... what Im trying to say is each class has its role and wizards are no exception, we werent made to be better then a 5 atk/sec class in pve or even solo pvp, but wizards certainly are deadly not just in TW but in group pvp aswell.
So no, mages arent useless now at all.

Wrong they haven't been designed like that. Because in game in early starting wasn't -interval gear. The dev. changed it and they destroy all idea of game. Wizard should be most damage dealers but with long channeling time. BM was stunning member in squad not damage dealer. Cleric was healing and barb was tanking. Now is everything in game just wrong and unbalanced. One word is MESS.

Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear

Aquagirl - Raging Tide wrote: »

maybe at this (red part)

Yes, that would be it. b:laughb:laugh

MrHanky - Harshlands

i was having fun with adroit and you had to start laughing and mess it up b:chuckle

Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear

Not as fun as seeing Adroit gettin all worked up and jumping all over some dumb lowbie thinking he's right and Adroit's wrong. I DON'T EVEN...

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why are ppl QQing about wizards being useless? I just facepalm so hard... Maybe its the OP equips ftl b:surrender

Dude LEVEL UP THEN TALK ffs.

Or do some proper research into end-game if you like theory like me. Math ain't hard to do, formulas are all laid out in wiki.

Did you know we have the lowest DPS in game except for clerics endgame? No? **** then. And guess what? People take clerics cause they heal. But why would you take a DD class if not for damage? lol.

ZeroMagus - Dreamweaver

I love my wizzy b:sad

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Dude LEVEL UP THEN TALK ffs.

Or do some proper research into end-game if you like theory like me. Math ain't hard to do, formulas are all laid out in wiki.

Did you know we have the lowest DPS in game except for clerics endgame? No? **** then. And guess what? People take clerics cause they heal. But why would you take a DD class if not for damage? lol.

barbs and venoes do the lowest DPS and DPH, but have the best survivability... If I can hit BMs like bricks as wizards, yeah, i don't see the point. I like playing wizards too but not as much as melee. You really should play another mmorpg where mages are claimed to be so useless but they have less potential than PW's wizard's. Yet they complain less than the people in PWI

Well ingame, as a caster in general, I calculate meters, I make sure than I do not let my opponents reach me within 5 m range. In PW against archers or archer mobs, I stay from within 5 m range or less. Math isn't hard. ^^ And yes I do research and experimenting ingame... anyways, I posted enough for this week anyways , silly patches again b:bye

Tainaker - Harshlands

i see some flames coming

Paimage - Harshlands

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

I refuse to take this trollbait, sir. An admirable effort.



@Pai: where the hell do you find group pvp that doesn't result in a stealthed sin insta-ganking you as soon as you turn pink?

Thats not the point, ofc wizards are one of the first to be aimed at cuz they can potentially one shot most classes... but in group pvp you have other squad members to assist u and when thats the case u will only be truely fked if the sins have at very least 3 atk/sec, otherwise u can hav time to expel while your squad members take care of the sins that jus pupped out of stealth mode. But that is considering the wizard doesnt have op def and hp aswell, which is a natural counter to a class with op atk jus like sins/BM with 3 atk/sec or even any other class with op weapon.
Having pvped as a wizard(with gear below the average for my lvl) for a good while now against alot of op players, I can definitely say its easier for me to play when there are other ppl with me that can do stuff like stun or even take away the attention from me while I DD... thats pretty much the job of a wizard, we are glass cannons so you dont expect a wizard to tank an op weapon like other classes do. I have seen alot of op wizards being able to tank more then 3 sins with less then 3 atk/sec and the reason is obvious, wizard was op and the sins doing it werent. Its how all things go, in order to counter a strong atk you also need a strong defense except from the fact that for wizards you will need to invest more time if u r pure build.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wrong they haven't been designed like that. Because in game in early starting wasn't -interval gear. The dev. changed it and they destroy all idea of game. Wizard should be most damage dealers but with long channeling time. BM was stunning member in squad not damage dealer. Cleric was healing and barb was tanking. Now is everything in game just wrong and unbalanced. One word is MESS.

Fists were there since the start of the game its jus that players were too noob to realize how op it was The first BM in HL to go fist/claw build was in my guild and alot of players were asking him why he did that and sum even laughed at him... guess what, 2 weeks later all other players started doing the same as soon as they realized how op -interval can be. Wizards never were supposed to be the best DD over time, but best DD per hit and they still are now along with the psychics. If you think about it, the game was unbalanced since the nixes with no dmg reduction bleed appeared... game was always wrong and unbalanced.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

mages have essential sutra.... force of will > sutra > gain total of 2 sparks fast > mountain siege > face roll

I never seen mages with that type of instant casting... for 6 secs, wizards become very OP... But then genie screwed for PVP. But then again all classes >.> so we all are playing the same game no?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

Fists were there since the start of the game its jus that players were too noob to realize how op it was The first BM in HL to go fist/claw build was in my guild and alot of players were asking him why he did that and sum even laughed at him... guess what, 2 weeks later all other players started doing the same as soon as they realized how op -interval can be. Wizards never were supposed to be the best DD over time, but best DD per hit and they still are now along with the psychics. If you think about it, the game was unbalanced since the nixes with no dmg reduction bleed appeared... game was always wrong and unbalanced.

Yes. Fist was there but not -interval gear(at least not so many). This -interval started with some update or packs, but I'm not sure.

Paimage - Harshlands

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes. Fist was there but not -interval gear(at least not so many). This -interval started with some update or packs, but I'm not sure.

Packs only made it easier for cash shoppers to get their hands on -interval/lunar/ event gear, but it was there already. But the only thing that was almost impossible to get without packs that GMs made possible was rank8, other stuffs were obtainable but just required alot of work.

Adroit - Lost City

MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »

i was having fun with adroit and you had to start laughing and mess it up b:chuckle

Not a bad cover up, but if me teaching you how to play your class is having fun with me, I'm here every day.

Arma_Geddon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not as fun as seeing Adroit gettin all worked up and jumping all over some dumb lowbie thinking he's right and Adroit's wrong. I DON'T EVEN...

/confused I can't find myself getting worked up or even replying to any lowbies in this thread. I also don't see where I'm wrong. I DON'T EVEN...

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

Packs only made it easier for cash shoppers to get their hands on -interval/lunar/ event gear, but it was there already. But the only thing that was almost impossible to get without packs that GMs made possible was rank8, other stuffs were obtainable but just required alot of work.

They also added -int tome and -int cape with the packs

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

barbs and venoes do the lowest DPS and DPH

/facepalm

Barbs have highest DPH with Armageddon with the proper refined gear.
Barbs have nice DPS (not the best but much better than any magic class) with claws and 4 aps or 5 aps even.

Again you have no idea what you are talking about. But no wonder, at your level, there is no -interval or 30k HP barbs.

Here's a tip for you. Did you know at endgame, archers use claws or fists with a lot of attacks per second instead of bows, because they do 3 to 4 times more damage than using their bows? (talking about PvE instances here ofc)

Archers with bows already do more DPS than magic classes. Use some logic it's not hard.

I don't think you can understand how much 5 attacks per second actually means.