My first Armageddon

Blood_Panda - Raging Tide

both fuzzy and cybetron are right about their opinion, I love being a high hp tank with the ability to hit like a truck.

But given the choice of one due to low level and budget constraint atm..

I will go for more defensive setting.

its a personal preference, HP now @ 9969 in tiger form. My armors+refine are slowly coming in.

This few days of leave has made me realise i dont have the luxury of grinding for coins nor matt farming like most can.

the usual log in has been CS,BH,2 quest.. and time for bed.
Give and take, I am stacking BH as and when i can to spare time into quest.

trevtimusprime

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Having a 30k hp pool would be sweet just because thats an insane number b:nosebleed

However....

Sadly Fuzzy will never realize anything close to that. Me has made a decision to trade off hp in favour of str and def. With everyone and their mom running around with +30 attack lvl blessings now having a deep hp pool does not quite mean what it did in the past me don't think. Yes, you can take more hits but the rate at which r8 sins or 5aps bm's can eat through that is slightly broken these days.

It seem to Fuzzy that one answer to this be to increase def level as much as possible. In the end, Fuzzy hope to be able to achieve somewhere around +52 def level. This will cancel out the Jones bless and then some. Combine that with around 23-24k hp as well as 310+ points to str me should have Fuzzy well protected, in good health and still able to hit like a freight train.

It is not possible to achieve the 30k'ness without sharding full +vit stones. Me knows that when pulling cata that would be sweet and combined with ironguards etc does make a pretty indestructible barb. But as me has said in other posts, Fuzzy is not a big fan of the pure vit build.

A hard-core kitty should be more than a meat shield Fuzzy thinks. We have the distinct advantage of being able to absorb damage like a sponge soaks up spilled milk, however we should also be able to deal the damage, not only through arma, to make everyone else run for the hills.

b:cute

I understand your point about def shards, but imo... if you have a +10 cube neck and Warsong mdef belt.. you're def going to soak up the majority if hard hitters you'd run into anyhow... ijs

No need for all the def shards then

esp when you have over 30k hp b:victory

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

Fuzzy has both cube neck and warsong belt, but that not stop many from hurting.

The dmg reduction > than hp points that get eaten away too fast... b:surrender

trevtimusprime

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fuzzy has both cube neck and warsong belt, but that not stop many from hurting.

The dmg reduction > than hp points that get eaten away too fast... b:surrender

But are they +10?


I would beg to differ, I seem to do more than quite more than alright for myself, I don't think def lvl 2 shards are a bad idea(if that's indeed what you're using)


But Hp I believe is all around more useful when using the vit stones since each stones gives a minimal amount of pdef and mdef.

Runemine - Dreamweaver

Chronobarok - Raging Tide wrote: »

DAMN!!!!

This is a PvE skill mostly right? Do you ever use it for pvp?

Do this and you will kill everyone in OT(exept other barbs)

BM Roar+HF then You Arma+Bramble Rage=Everyone dies has a bud do that and wow 20k+ hit on 1 person it was NUTS.

Cybetron - Raging Tide

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Having a 30k hp pool would be sweet just because thats an insane number b:nosebleed

However....

Sadly Fuzzy will never realize anything close to that. Me has made a decision to trade off hp in favour of str and def. With everyone and their mom running around with +30 attack lvl blessings now having a deep hp pool does not quite mean what it did in the past me don't think. Yes, you can take more hits but the rate at which r8 sins or 5aps bm's can eat through that is slightly broken these days.

It seem to Fuzzy that one answer to this be to increase def level as much as possible. In the end, Fuzzy hope to be able to achieve somewhere around +52 def level. This will cancel out the Jones bless and then some. Combine that with around 23-24k hp as well as 310+ points to str me should have Fuzzy well protected, in good health and still able to hit like a freight train.

It is not possible to achieve the 30k'ness without sharding full +vit stones. Me knows that when pulling cata that would be sweet and combined with ironguards etc does make a pretty indestructible barb. But as me has said in other posts, Fuzzy is not a big fan of the pure vit build.

A hard-core kitty should be more than a meat shield Fuzzy thinks. We have the distinct advantage of being able to absorb damage like a sponge soaks up spilled milk, however we should also be able to deal the damage, not only through arma, to make everyone else run for the hills.

b:cute

Stacking def shards works only if you stack alot of them (which is true in your case Fuzzy) but VIT shards work just fine (making a significant change in your HP) if you stack a few of them.

Getting down to the basics, we've only two defensive stat stones, VIT and DEF. Now DEF works all around but VIT is a stat that gives us max returns (than any other class). So with VIT stones you'll not only have a pool of HP but you'll also have the flexibility to try something different like going half str or half dex (fist). So you'ld have good HP and you'll be sharp clawed.

Sharding DEF against VIT works very well for other classes (especially clerics) since their effective HP increase per VIT is less.

And going past 300 STR wouldn't really increase our attack by a huge amount as opposed to refining our weapon. IMO having too much STR kind of has its own downfall. If you stat 10 str into vit and use an attack level stone in your armor instead of vit +10 stone, I reckon you'ld have a better attack than that given by the 10 str.

I wonder if 30k+ HP cata barbs find it that hard to stay alive till one of their skills or apoths are in cooldown b:question

Mind you, I don't fully support a full VIT build but i definitely support VIT.

Vorken - Archosaur

I've gotta noob question.
Is there somewhere that explains what the benefits that you get from +1 VIT so I can follow this analsysis?
Also, does it make a different if the VIT comes from main attributes or from a shard?

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

trevtimusprime wrote: »

But are they +10?

Close, but not quite yet... b:surrender

Cybetron - Raging Tide wrote: »

Mind you, I don't fully support a full VIT build but i definitely support VIT.

Don't get Fuzzy wrong, me loves the VIT.. just not a supporter of a full-out 100% VIT build all the way through end game. Finding a balance between all aspects (VIT, DEX, STR, ATK LVL & DEF LVL) makes an incredibly powerful character. Fuzzy not see the need to always neglect every other aspect to the benefit of one.

Vorken - Archosaur wrote: »

I've gotta noob question.
Is there somewhere that explains what the benefits that you get from +1 VIT so I can follow this analsysis?
Also, does it make a different if the VIT comes from main attributes or from a shard?

No Vorken, it matters not of the stat point comes from main attributes or a stone or a weapon or whatever.

GohRaL - Sanctuary

Vorken - Archosaur wrote: »

I've gotta noob question.
Is there somewhere that explains what the benefits that you get from +1 VIT so I can follow this analsysis?
Also, does it make a different if the VIT comes from main attributes or from a shard?

For barbs 1 VIT = 17 HP

so if u have +10VIT bonus you will get 170HP more...


+VIT bonuses are always the same, they stack one another and they always give the same bonus (HP)

Conky - Lost City

grats

Blood_Panda - Raging Tide

Vorken - Archosaur wrote: »

I've gotta noob question.
Is there somewhere that explains what the benefits that you get from +1 VIT so I can follow this analsysis?
Also, does it make a different if the VIT comes from main attributes or from a shard?

There is no diff where vit comes from.. Vit is Vit..

barb 1 vit =17
bm 1 vit =15
veno/archer/sin 1 vit = 13
cleric/wizard/psyhic 1 vit = 10

for most magic class except ours sharding a def shard+ hp shard is the way to go.
vit benefit us a lot consider you get hp/def/magic resist but arcane and light wearer.. already have way more magic then heavy so the effect of magic isnt as much.

Vorgen - Sanctuary

New update,



My arma ticked off for 125k crits on lvl 91 mobs was freakin awesome i think i am in love with my tank againb:dirtyb:victory

Blood_Panda - Raging Tide

wow, 125k thats so sexy..

is that with zerk and crit or just crit?

I cant wait to level my armag to lvl 2.. although i am low on coins :x

Vorgen - Sanctuary

i crited and zerked...love my axes but it was epic...i kinda drooled on myself a little X3b:chuckle

Zemenar - Lost City

my highest hit on a mob is 132k (i think if not higher) and on a person 71.1k with arma..

(zerk crit) i'll post ss once i find em and 2) once i am not lazy and i am willing to do all the work to put em on photobucket -_-