lol people ignorant about pk on carebear ???

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Um oh dear I told you not to hold it against me but you did sigh can't please you I suppose.

Yes Duels are by choice but PvP is also by choice you can choose to stay in the safe zone while this doesn't apply to you. We have never been talking about what happens in PvP this conversation was about the mechanics of Duels Vs PvP which are the same with the exception of a couple skills being nerfed, multiple opponents possible and charms which is EXACTLY what I said (minus the skills cause I didn't think it would matter).

The veno in the story was not talking about the running around getting killed but rather the actual act of fighting which seems to be missed by all the PvP people. The act of fighting in PK is pretty much the same as a duel which has been the driving point in my side since the start. I nor do anyone else who doesn't regularly pk through time passed or unwillingness to do so care about how you can be killed by more then one person.


Better? Did that explain the stance I have taken better to you because you don't seem to understand.

The biggest difference between duels and PK is the fact that you don't have to fear getting attacked while outside SZ. You said it yourself.

And that's exactly what makes it completely different. Add in charms and the only similar thing is that you beat people in both. b:bye

Pressa - Heavens Tear

MECHANICS.....................you know I don't know how I could explain it any better um maybe if you have skinned a fish one way why would you need to skin another when your full?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Your first post. You're wrong. And you only say that the only difference is charms.

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your edit fails white names can't drop anything that was a bug and that was fixed a few months back and if people are dropping stuff with a GA that is also a bug and that shouldn't be happening.

And your veno seems smarter then you give it credit for the only difference is charms in PK provided your talking 1v1 and thats what your veno is thinking the only difference is the charm so it doesn't care to go into PK to prove a point to someone who thinks they are smarter then them. Also I am going to take a wild guess and say you lost to this veno in a duel.

Your second post. Nothing about mechanics.

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Explain how? Because I have done both and I only see the charm difference other then morals which people sometimes follow.

Eh yah your right I was wrong I thought I remembered them fixing the white names but it was the blue names that were dropping that was fixed with the safety lock fix. Eck gimme a break its been awhile.

Your third post. Mechanics what?

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So thats to say that you can't do the same in pvp? I fail to see where its not the same with the exception for charms. What your saying is different is the attitude towards the combat which changes per person.

Your fourth post... I don't see you mentioning Mechanics yet...

Originally Posted by Michael_dark - Lost City View Post
Duel you have 3 seconds to prepare your attack.
You can do this in PvP
You can also both decide to relog, no buffs, no chi or full buffs full chi Most people who duel usually like to have full chi.
You can also do this in PvP
The person that can get the quickest initial attack holds the main advantage. In duels, you generally don't do the same things you would do in PvP.
The same applies to PvP
You're also not likely to use a genie, pk pots, attack or defense charms or hp pots in a duel, it would be a waste.
Depends on the person
Most duels are on the ground. Most PvP is in the air.
Ground-air combat doesn't change the combat drastically.

In PvP you often need to be able to take them low enough to bypass a charm or kill them before their charm cooldown is over.
Charms the one difference between duels

As a veno, bramble guard does not work in PvP, bramble hood doesn't reflect damage either. Duels really don't prove anything except you're good at dueling.

Duels don't prove anything just like PvP doesn't either. And Hood and guard work the same in Duels

So please tell me where duels are different then PvP? Quite frankly the only thing I see are charms so enlighten me whats different? (other then charms and ganking)

And fifth post...

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wait wait wait I don't have PvP experience? Please tell me your joking............

Ah and as for that its laziness on your part copypasta buddy. I even made the text red and italic for yah so you could see it. Honestly I have done both they are the same and at least by me are treated the same. And comparing that to that is very weak you could have at least compared it to something relevant like if you have pked you must know what TW is like. And before you go off on me saying thats what you mean I am saying when you fight in PK you pick and choose your battles you don't go gung ho into 6 ****ing enemies and hope to come out on the top unless your AoE is going to kill them before they get to you.

Also don't get lazy again and say I ain't responding properly thats a excuse pick up your hands off your hot wings and actually type something that isn't a excuse saying I am lazy.

Alright fine I'll bite I probably worded that badly but I thought it wouldn't be taken out of context like you just did I meant the same as pvp it works the same in duels as it does in pvp.

Your sixth post...

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

God your impossible I have proven you wrong and you still persist my lord. PvP is the same as a damned duel if its not your doing it wrong.

Ah and to put a point on this copypasta + <---thats a button btw real easy to highlight and press the button.

I said TW was completely different or did you fail to read that? Hmmm you might be right about the open map reflect thing but wow a little bit of damage thats totally going to smart.
Although I have seen it work but I can't remember if those were memories of before they patched it or after so I will give you that.

Duels are still exactly the same as PvP just at a closer distance to start with and without charms please nitpic more. b:surrender Oh yah btw you can check my 1300+ kills and see if I know how to kill. I am sorry if you feel I am insulting you in some way which is the only reason I can see why you would try to call out my skill among other things.

Other then that it has been a few months since I actually killed something so I am a tad rusty on rules and skills so if I forget the precise applications of every skill in game don't hold it too much against me.

You're back peddling. You don't mention 'basic game mechanics' or anything similar. You make a blanket statement about PvP being the same as Duels. They're vastly different.

Yes, I'll agree that the basic mechanics of fighting another person is the same in duels or PvP. The mechanics plays such a little part of everything involved... you hit me, I hit you, yeah that much doesn't change. Everything else surrounding it does... at least for the most part.

The whole circumstances of the fight are completely different. The initiative or lack of it is completely different. Being prepared or not is completely different.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Except you're the one who won't turn on your white name...hmm...

This reminds me of the wizard I PKed today. QQed something about me using stuns. I can imagine that coming from you Yulk. Like when a wizard gushes you, you'd probably reply with "U SLOW ME, UNOOB? U NEED SLOW???"

Your using your own skills, thats fair. Genies are for people that can't use their own skills fairly.

I have fought assassin using the damn second wind, I really was cheated cause I was about to beat her after I stun locked her. So yeah, that wasn't fair because I never use genie in duels b:angry. It was in an instance and ended as a draw... so disappointed.

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Ok that's starting to sound a lot less like a duel.

Dueling:

You're sitting there minding your own business and all of a sudden you're almost startled by the *knock knock* sound and a little box with a question mark on it... you click it and it is an invite to duel. What do you do? Check to see who it is, maybe look at their gear, look to see if you have chi and maybe ask for chi if you don't have it, ask if genies are ok, think about what skills or combos you might want to use then the duel request times out and you ask if they're ready and then you send another duel invite and actually duel.


PvP:

You're sitting there minding your own business and all of a sudden you're startled as you take 3k points of damage... what do you do?

1. Run if you know you can outrun the attacker.

2. Fight back and if you die: Q.Q u effing cashshopper, go spent more money.

3. Fight back and if you win: LOL, u suck, go spent more money, u effing cashshopper.

Ijs b:laugh

Michael_Dark - Lost City

NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Run if you know you can outrun the attacker.

2. Fight back and if you die: Q.Q u effing cashshopper, go spent more money.

3. Fight back and if you win: LOL, u suck, go spent more money, u effing cashshopper.

Ijs b:laugh

b:laugh

You win!

Or... perhaps lose. Or something like that...

b:pleased

Telarith - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You can't duel in Warsong. You can't duel in Cube either. I don't think you can duel in PK Tourney.... most people are actually killing each other to find out. lol

I never said duel, I was referring to a PvP fight inside specific instances where the skill Reflect does deal damage back, and might be what was confusing the veno poster. Ever had someone DC in Rebirth and log back to insta-die inside the zhen area? Same idea for Warsong. Anyone outside of group can attack the other people in those instances even without being PK set. I started a trend in faction of people dropping groups in Warsong to kill eachother for fun, so I know it is allowed there. Same thing in Rebirth.

Pressa - Heavens Tear

shintera wrote: »

veno: duels and pk are the same thing just in pk you can drop items
me: na theres a difference. unlike duels there are no ruels. you can use genies. apoth, pots the element of suprise. and it a few others
veno: so your saying in pk yoru skill lvls increase
me: no just saying theres more to it then just skills
veno: ok so is that a yes or a no skills increase in pk
veno: just say yes or no that they increase in pk
me: it's not as simple as that
veno: just say yes or no
me: seems you don't get it are you dense or something.
veno: so your saying yes skills increase in pk

This is what I was referring to and all my posts had this tone. Its obvious they are different in venue and how they are treated but they are basically fundamentally the same. I am sorry I tend to refer to things without properly quoting them presuming everyone else read the entire thread and remembered it like I did.

Hmmm I do know that PK is different but its basically the same is all I was saying. I mean Location can be done in a duel and I said it had to be 1v1 and exclude charms is it really so different if you exclude two objects?

My first example is provided its 1v1 the only difference is basically the charm. And you can be caught off guard by a duel by not being able to find your opponent but thats carelessness but the same can be applied to PK. So really the two things you included I told you to exclude in the first place.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I never said duel, I was referring to a PvP fight inside specific instances where the skill Reflect does deal damage back, and might be what was confusing the veno poster. Ever had someone DC in Rebirth and log back to insta-die inside the zhen area? Same idea for Warsong. Anyone outside of group can attack the other people in those instances even without being PK set. I started a trend in faction of people dropping groups in Warsong to kill eachother for fun, so I know it is allowed there. Same thing in Rebirth.

I already stated that PK Tourney, Cube, probably Dragon Temple and TW is where reflect does work. Yes, you can kill each other inside Warsong or Rebirth if you drop party but I don't know if reflect actually reflects damage inside those two instances. They very well could.

Sorry if I confused what you meant. I was mostly just outlining where you couldn't duel.

truekossy

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And you can be caught off guard by a duel by not being able to find your opponent

Tab. /10char

TheDan - Sanctuary

shintera wrote: »

sanctuary server (not saying the name of the veno). constantly insists that the only thing pk has different from duel is dropping items. that there is literally NO difference. yet refuses to go pk mode to prove the difference rofl.

Yes that person is ignorant, but you don't have any right to talk especially in your broken English because you're equally as ignorant for your generalizing of entire servers.

Fail troll thread btw.

Maiira - Sanctuary

lol, wow not reading forum posts in a while and all the ******* return. go find out for yourself... i loved fighting a veno in pk who decided to bramble hood to let my nix kill itself, funny thing... nix took no damage. so many stupid ppl who would rather argue bout pointless stuff continuously than let it go, and go try it themselves. as for pve server members knowing nothing bout pk lol. statement made out of ignorance. from being in pk mode since lvl60 when i returned to playing my venomancer id say the primary difference is charms, duels you jus have untold etiquite, if some1 choses to do something in a duel idc. my funest fight was actually a duel against a cleric, we allowed pots, apoth, genies. our duel lasted almost as long as some 1v1 pk fights ive been in. go find out for yourself.

side note... im including pressa in my grouping with the **** ppl. go grow a brain, then come back to the pwi forums

Basingeth - Lost City

No offense to the original poster but you really should put your stubbornness and ego aside and listen to what Michael is saying.

He may be an a$$ b:shutup , but that's beside the point.

I duel all the time, duels are easy to win. Pish Posh.

I go out to pvp? I take 20 freaking minutes getting everything ready. I prepare for zerg./ninja sins/nixes from nowhere/ etc.

You can not stand here and tell me that duels are practically the same as pvp. Come to a real pvp server and we will prove you wrong.

I suggest before you do the aforementioned you really take some time and read your posts. You're just embaressing yourself.


P.S. Yulk I'm not one to be mean or talk down on people, but you add nothing but moronic advice and idiotic ideas to this forum. Learn to play the game, get a character to end-game. Get on a server that has what you're trying to talk about. Then you will see your opinion change drastically.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Looking at this thread was a mistake on my part. It's an explosion of ignorance.

Pk =/= duels. And if you really don't know the difference then you have no business playing this game. Uninstall it. Now.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Basingeth - Lost City wrote: »

He may be an a$$ b:shutup , but that's beside the point.

Thank you! b:chuckle

I am an ****, and I'm rude and arrogant as well. I'm usually right. When I'm not, I admit defeat, learn from it and apologize.

kanel321

I find it funny when ppl try to buff themselves up with their pvp stories : 'Come to a real server' !


Lol

I'm sorry but pvp in this game is useless. Sure some may like it and thats fine but in the end who cares. Yes there are differences between the two (not arguing that) but in the end its all the same. People act hardcore but really when u look at it I just see PVP as a more expensive duel . No one PVP's with any risk nowadays. Gear is either protected/GA'd/or binded. So i want to PVP ... now i gotta get pots and make sure i have GA's ... and for what .. no drops and a bump in my killscore. PVP is really nothing but a glorified expensive duel when u look at it overall. I have played this game for a long time and for as long as i can remember ppl from PVP dedicated servers look down on those from PVE. Yet i bet if they disabled binding and GA and safety lock on those Servers ppl who be clamoring for a server change. This is just my opinion i know there are lots of ppl who like spending the time and money on pvp preparing but not me i would rather just fight you and walk away knowing I didn't loose money just by fighting you .

Maiira - Sanctuary

u dont have to be on a pvp server to know about pvp.