!!!Same sex rights suggestion/petition!!!

knightwolf1

aerothesis wrote: »

i use a veno and am a guy i only use a veno for the tactical advantages others however like making characters not of their gender why should they not be allowed to marry?

because people try not to learn how to be intelligent because it hurts there brains and knowledge and common sense scares them

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

Can a mod lock this already?

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Better just leave these alone, if you not like it
But it's everyone rights to say what they want here
Cya for now, peace b:sad

knightwolf1

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But it's everyone rights to say what they want here

thank you. one of the few intelligent things i have heard all week

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

I'm not saying you don't have the right to voice your opinion. For one thing this thread has been made 285962895629856 times already, and several times in the past month. It's against the rules to make more. Second, people have said several intelligent things in this thread, you simply don't think so because it's not what you want to hear.

And really, I can't even fathom why you have 7 pages of your opinion, plus 285962895629856 other threads of the same opinion, and you need to pursue this further when it obviously is not going to happen.

Grippieluver - Lost City

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why?

blah blah **** txt.

bc it's against the freakin rules! >__<

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

And another of these threads. Gee.
I see that you guys are pretty determined. But again, this wish shall not be granted by PWE (those from China).

Why can't you accept it?

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And another of these threads. Gee.
I see that you guys are pretty determined. But again, this wish shall not be granted by PWE (those from China).

Why can't you accept it?

why should we need to accept it?

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why should we need to accept it?

Fine, go protest in front of the main office in China and do bring potent lawyers and interprets with you.
Oh and a civil law notary for your open letter/petition.

Foxgrit - Lost City

go away and quit trying to force your ideas onto other people yet again...

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fine, go protest in front of the main office in China and do bring potent lawyers and interprets with you.
Oh and a civil law notary for your open letter/petition, and a bulletproof vest.

Fixed. b:laugh

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fine, go protest in front of the main office in China and do bring potent lawyers and interprets with you.
Oh and a civil law notary for your open letter/petition.

that doesn't actually answer my question, you know. i'm not in the habit of taking strategy advice from my debating opponents, but i AM genuinely interested in understanding your position. why do you feel i should have to be the one to accept the status quo, particularly?

Shivalia - Lost City

Okay, dude. Really. I've read just recently someone posted that packs have now been 'banned' in the Chinese versions because online games are not allowed there to have gambling involved. Obviously the Chinese version and the International versions don't have to be EXACTLY ALIKE. Allow same-sex marriage and embrace in the versions that aren't specific to a place that's so against it. Can't Chinese players play the international version? Yet PWI still has packs, so those players can get past their little ban by playing another version so we should be able to get past China's little 'ban' against same-sex interaction on our version. Yes, to same-sex on International. Let China's version have it the way they want it, but as ours is based out of the US, let it stand to the fact. (And yes, I'm aware China still makes the game here, that its just run out of the US.)

Shivalia - Lost City

Also, regardless if people 'accept' it in whatever country, its going to happen. Its not a matter of, "Oh, China doesn't except it, so it doesn't happen in real life so there's no reason to consider it whatsoever." No. Not even close. By keeping it as something impossible in a game doesn't change a damn thing. For god's sake we fly on giant fish on this game. Talk about impossible. Now its like they're looking at something that is possible and very much happening (even if not in their own country) and just trying to make themselves believe they can stop it by their creation.. I'm getting too deep to keep my own attention. I hope that made sense. Sorry I'm ranting and a lot of people will probably get mad at me for supporting it, but honestly, I don't care what the Chinese think as far as this goes. Yeah, they can do what they want, but maybe they shouldn't hide behind 'we don't allow it here, so we're not doing it'. Maybe something more like 'we like how our game is now and we don't want to change that'. I could respect that, at least rather than just viewing it like they're being ignorant jerks about the situation. That's just my take on it, anyway. I can respect anyone's opinions, but that's much less an opinion and much more just plain being close-minded toward the entire world considering they're covering a game that's International.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Shivalia - Lost City wrote: »

Okay, dude. Really. I've read just recently someone posted that packs have now been 'banned' in the Chinese versions because online games are not allowed there to have gambling involved. Obviously the Chinese version and the International versions don't have to be EXACTLY ALIKE. Allow same-sex marriage and embrace in the versions that aren't specific to a place that's so against it. Can't Chinese players play the international version? Yet PWI still has packs, so those players can get past their little ban by playing another version so we should be able to get past China's little 'ban' against same-sex interaction on our version. Yes, to same-sex on International. Let China's version have it the way they want it, but as ours is based out of the US, let it stand to the fact.

Shivalia - Lost City

I ve also read it, that was different thing.
China not allow gambling, USA allow gambling.
This game made by China developer, whatever with where it was played or where the server. If thje developer not creating patch to allow it, that won't happen.

PWE still part of the main company, true they can't put gamble on China but they still able here. b:surrender
While the game still on their license which following by China goverment rules (their company bound to it), i guess they won't allow it.
Expect a company outside china buy the game rights, but that just like WoW giving it rights to other >.>

Azariz - Heavens Tear

I'm all for equality but..

For every single person who makes a "SAME SEX MARRIAGE NOW", do you really think you're the first person to think of it and make a thread? It's been tried and failed, just let it die. You can still marry someone of the same sex by making a newb character with a very similar name anyway.

Shivalia - Lost City

Azariz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You can still marry someone of the same sex by making a newb character with a very similar name anyway.

Say what? O.o

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Shivalia - Lost City wrote: »

Say what? O.o

What she mean is tell your friend or lover to make alt with almost the same name with his or her character that you want to marry (have to be the opposite gender of yours main that going to marry). You do the same but name the alt with your character name.
Then both of you marry each other alt.

That way people will see you married with someone of the same gender
(you have their name above your head)

The bad thing is you can't do couple daily quest together since you marry alt.

Example of almost the same name :
William = VVilliam

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

that doesn't actually answer my question, you know. i'm not in the habit of taking strategy advice from my debating opponents, but i AM genuinely interested in understanding your position. why do you feel i should have to be the one to accept the status quo, particularly?

What good is it to post here, anyway? Devs do not dwell here. It's quite the endless fight between those who want it to be recognized and applied and the bigots who diss LBGT stuff up in general (because they cannot understand what diversity means, or that they are mere lowest-grade trolls).
Then there are people who would not mind either way but feel that it is a fight that is getting dragged on over and over. I am one of those.

I do understand that this issue is important to you (since I see it comes from the heart) and that you truly want it to be taken into consideration, but again, these forums are the wrong place to ask for changes upon matter that could create controversy. I still ask to myself to whom you want this message to be transferred to. The GMs, so they can talk to devs? Fat chance.
I'd truly advise you and all of those who want this idea to take form to send your wish directly. Posting here will do no good, unless you can rally people up for such a purpose.
But again, you could browse all of the threads that suggested this idea and PM the people in favor of it, then to make something big and realisic in the end for a project.

Multiplying threads in this forums and beating around the bush will do nothing effective and would only tire people up at this point.

I hope you understand my point. Take care.

Azariz - Heavens Tear

You can also put a space before the character's name, you can hardly tell the difference at all.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What good is it to post here, anyway? Devs do not dwell here. It's quite the endless fight between those who want it to be recognized and applied and the bigots who diss LBGT stuff up in general (because they cannot understand what diversity means, or that they are mere lowest-grade trolls).
Then there are people who would not mind either way but feel that it is a fight that is getting dragged in over and over. I am one of those.

I do understand that this issue is important to you (since I see it comes from the heart) and that you truly want it to be taken into consideration, but again, these forums are the wrong place to ask for changes upon matter that could create controversy. I still ask to myself to whom you want this message to be transferred to. The GMs, so they can talk to devs? Fat chance.
I'd truly advise you and all of those who want this idea to take form to send your wish directly. Posting here will do no good, unless you can rally people up for such a purpose.
But again, you could browse all of the threads that suggested this idea and PM them, then to make something big about it.

Multiplying threads in this forums and beating around the bush will do nothing effective and would only tire people up at this point.

I hope you understand my point. Take care.

I wish there were more replies like this in these types of threads.

Shivalia - Lost City

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What she mean is tell your friend or lover to make alt with almost the same name with his or her character that you want to marry (have to be the opposite gender of yours main that going to marry). You do the same but name the alt with your character name.
Then both of you marry each other alt.

That way people will see you married with someone of the same gender
(you have their name above your head)

The bad thing is you can't do couple daily quest together since you marry alt.

Example of almost the same name :
William = VVilliam

Oh, I get it. Thanks for the explanation. But yeah, that would really suck a little not to be able to do the quests, etc. :<

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I wish there were more replies like this in these types of threads.

Thank you. I try to be as objective as much as possible and I always roll eyes at those who deny the suggestions with a 'No, you are a noob because it will not happen', which is plain poor contribution (if not worse) to a debate and will never, yes never, make those who want this to happen change their minds.

I understand that people get tired of things or feel it is impossible, but if they do not give proper, well-constructed arguments (or keep uttering ones that became stale, which is no better), nothing will make the debate advance or at least sound legitimate in their countering. Worst being the rude, mindless comments... I would be happy to not see that kind of stuff happen in these forums but, oh well.

This type of discussion (or conflict, it is how you see it) is quite endless because there is virtually no viable, long or even short-term response with such limited tools for interaction and the lack of possibilities to making points across (again with this interface), especially when it does not depend directly on people here.

And so, complaining just to make people understand the importance of the topic or to make more people join the struggle (according to OP and other defenders of it) should be okay as long as it's reasonable. To make it viable, do it as a discussion, not as a war-focused discourse (even if it is bound to be so). And if people troll/flame in return, you do have the upper hand.
(I'm seriously bored of seeing people going for 'I want this', then another going 'Oh yeah, noob?' then a 'Yeah, idiot' following. It's bound to end in fisticuffs and this 100% guaranteed at all tries).

But again, nothing is better than to contact people at the root. Not only you avoid jerks lurking around, but you can have your response once and for all.

Shivalia - Lost City

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you. I try to be as objective as much as possible and I always roll eyes at those who deny the suggestions with a 'No, you are a noob because it will not happen', which is plain poor contribution (if not worse) to a debate and will never, yes never, make those who want this to happen change their minds.

I understand that people get tired of things or feel it is impossible, but if they do not give proper, well-constructed arguments or ones that became stale, nothing will make the debate advance or at least sound legitimate in their countering. Worst being rude, mindless comments... I would be happy to not see that kind of stuff happen in these forums but oh well.

This type of discussion (or conflict, it is how you see it) is quite endless because there is virtually no viable response with such limited tools for interaction and possibilities to making points across, especially when it does not depend directly on people here.

And so, complaining should be okay as long as it's reasonable. To make it viable, do it as a discussion, not as a war-focused discourse (even if it is bound to be so). And if people troll/flame in return, you do have the upper hand.
But again, nothing is better than to contact people at the root.

I love you and your comments here. b:cute So calm and wise. b:chuckle It just warms my heart to have someone who understands how upsetting, even, those comments can be of just 'It won't happen' and how they really just make people feel bad like they're being attacked personally for having an opinion. In fact, while I'm really a passive person, reading so many of those through this before I posted just made me so frustrated and made me rant about everything. I think what you've said in this post and the last one could pretty much calm any of us who are for this topic down. For that, I thank you. For an understand and guiding light for all of us who feel a little shot down by the whole situation. Personally, I'd love for it to happen and be put in game, but its not such a big thing to me, because I can understand why its not there. We can all hold our opinions on it, but we can only do so much. All you've said, that this isn't the place where anything is going to come of it, is exactly right, and all its really causing is more people to get us upset with these short and pretty much rude comments in regards to it. Maybe people will read through what you've said and figure out a way to actually band together to bring this concern to the attention of the people who actually need to see it.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Shivalia - Lost City wrote: »

I love you and your comments here. b:cute So calm and wise. b:chuckle It just warms my heart to have someone who understands how upsetting, even, those comments can be of just 'It won't happen' and how they really just make people feel bad like they're being attacked personally for having an opinion. In fact, while I'm really a passive person, reading so many of those through this before I posted just made me so frustrated and made me rant about everything. I think what you've said in this post and the last one could pretty much calm any of us who are for this topic down. For that, I thank you. For an understand and guiding light for all of us who feel a little shot down by the whole situation. Personally, I'd love for it to happen and be put in game, but its not such a big thing to me, because I can understand why its not there. We can all hold our opinions on it, but we can only do so much. All you've said, that this isn't the place where anything is going to come of it, is exactly right, and all its really causing is more people to get us upset with these short and pretty much rude comments in regards to it. Maybe people will read through what you've said and figure out a way to actually band together to bring this concern to the attention of the people who actually need to see it.

That is exactly what I want to bring light about (by the way, it is the second time I was quoted here before I could edit my reply so it becomes perfectly readable and nicely-articulated, please read the edited version... I'd be very happy if you did). b:chuckle

Thank you for your support. I just hope that this vicious circle of stress and frustration ends someday.

Shivalia - Lost City

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is exactly what I want to bring light about (by the way, it is the second time I was quoted here before I could edit my reply so it becomes perfectly readable and nicely-articulated, please read the edited version... I'd be very happy if you did). b:chuckle

Thank you for your support. I just hope that this vicious circle of stress and frustration ends someday.

I just did. Once again, well said. b:thanks I want to thank you personally for calming my frustrations I voiced in my rant. Its amazing what one person can do just by being kind and thoughtful to others even if they're not acting their smartest, and even if what's being said isn't necessarily something they want to hear. Just having someone be understanding and even bringing in suggestions and advice that are actually valid, logical, and not just something said to try to get someone to 'shut up' about it is plenty good enough to make someone feel better about just about anything.

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

**** marriage is never going to happen. Get over it h0mos.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*No need to quote this*

A perfect example of a no-good reply.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A perfect example of a no-good reply.

He's just a troll anyways. I'm not even sure what his real opinion on the matter is anymore because his only goal in these threads is to **** people off.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

He's just a troll anyways. I'm not even sure what his real opinion on the matter is anymore because his only goal in these threads is to **** people off.

Obviously. I just referred to him for the sake of it... I even wonder if he did that to try to drive me mad, but of course this will not work.
*Nod* Take care...

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

Stop making pointless **** threads. And I will stop trolling. Deal?