BH Issue

DevilishTaki - Lost City

Ok so recently I've been unable to complete a single BH in 5 days. Reason: Power lvlers who don't know how to play their class or just plain idiots. Perfect examples of this:

Yesterday: Joined a BH squad who needed to kill Zimo and BH51. I only needed BH51 but since those squads are hard to come by I figured I'd go and help them with Zimo then join in for the 51. 1st sign of fail: a lvl.66 psy in my squad with a lvl.35 white weapon and a low lvl might ring. I thought to my self "well at least they won't be able to steal agro from the tank". Our tank was a lvl.7x barb and was accompanied by a lvl.8x cleric. Barb runs into 3 mobs and hits 1...cleric heals him which lead to the other two mobs to turn to the cleric and kill her leading too a...party wipe. Needless to say this wasn't the only time this happened. Everyone in that squad died about 3 times. We killed Zimo but then the squad disbanded afterwards. -_-

Today: Had the chance to join a BH 51 squad. 1st sign of fail: lvl.6x veno doesn't know how to lure. gets herself and the squad wiped then leaves. Things proceed smoothly til the cleric just runs blindly along doing front flips in front of the mobs while the rest of us are hugging the wall. This happened 4 times. Our tank got annoyed and left, then the cleric left, and then the rest of the squad disbanded. -_-

Due to squads like these I have been unable to complete a BH in 5 days. With easy ways to lvl (3 BH's a day instead of 1 or none, Hypers, and Oracles) these are making too many "noobs" to to point where its just about impossible to get anything done in a party. Maybe I just have really bad luck finding a squad but does anyone else agree with me?

What I would like to see:
BH's, Hypers, and Oracles to be removed completely.

What's going to happen:
Nothing. Things will continue to be like this and get worse over time as easier ways to lvl be implemented sometime sooner or later.


Anyone remember when being lvl.70 was an accomplishment?



P.S. Looking for a BH51 Squad. -_-

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary

U Mad Bro?

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver

Don't think it's Hyper/Oracle/BH noobs really, it's jsut people who can't bother to (try to) learn their class. I've seen ALOT of fail charaters below level 30. I mean archer using swords, or opening combos with skills like lightning strike? Removing fast leveling will not get rid of horrible players, just make it harder for them (everyone) to level. Takes a while to level with BHs IMO. Finding complete BH squads at the right time isn't easy =/

Some people are idiots/jerks and while removing Hypers/Oracles/BHs will get rid of a lot of them, it will also chase decent players away from the game, as they'll hit a wall and get bored of spending 3-5 monthes to gain ~10 levels.

DevilishTaki - Lost City

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »

U Mad Bro?

Captain Obvious is obvious.

Unless you have any actual input I would request that you refrain from making pointless posts like that in this thread. This thread was made for discussion not the just random QQing of a lvl.6x.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

Yeah, it's just that you are unlucky with BH squads. I have only been in one or two fail squads, while my wife almost always gets in a bad one.
I suggest you find a guild with a lot of people your level who can run BHs with you.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Join a nice faction, maybe? That is the best place to ask for help and sometimes, faction mates have alt that might need the BH too.

Also, keep all good clerics and barbs in your friend list because those 2 are what you need to do your BHs at lower levels. Try to do your BH at the same time as they do theirs.

Try to tell other people how to do "this" or "that", but don't be too obnoxious. (Like hugging the walls, or pulling mobs)

Another way to do your BHs is tag along FB groups....but make sure you stack your BHs, or sometimes they won't let you go back to take your BH quests.

And good luck.

DevilishTaki - Lost City

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't think it's Hyper/Oracle/BH noobs really, it's jsut people who can't bother to (try to) learn their class. I've seen ALOT of fail charaters below level 30. I mean archer using swords, or opening combos with skills like lightning strike? Removing fast leveling will not get rid of horrible players, just make it harder for them (everyone) to level. Takes a while to level with BHs IMO. Finding complete BH squads at the right time isn't easy =/

Some people are idiots/jerks and while removing Hypers/Oracles/BHs will get rid of a lot of them, it will also chase decent players away from the game, as they'll hit a wall and get bored of spending 3-5 monthes to gain ~10 levels.

This is true. However I remember when it was actually somewhat of a challenge to lvl. Of course I don't expect PW to remove these items as they make good money from them but now its not really hard to lvl at all. Personally I like a challenge but your right more people would bored instead of breaking though the wall.

Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, it's just that you are unlucky with BH squads. I have only been in one or two fail squads, while my wife almost always gets in a bad one.
I suggest you find a guild with a lot of people your level who can run BHs with you.

Well at least its just me then lol, Cause there would be a serious issue if this happened to a lot of players.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »

U Mad Bro?

hahahaha, epic win b:victory the op mad bro

Tojop - Dreamweaver

Eh...power levelers aren't 6x on the oldest server. You're likely squadding with alts of people playing classes different than what they're used to. Don't blame the hypers, blame the end game (lack thereof) content.

Okeano - Harshlands

The fails you see is not the issue of BH, but the issue BH is trying to solve. These ppl fail and die in BH now, so they, hopefully, learn and not fail and die in higher instances later.

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Eh...power levelers aren't 6x on the oldest server. You're likely squadding with alts of people playing classes different than what they're used to. Don't blame the hypers, blame the end game (lack thereof) content.

There are plenty of noobs that join a server, old or new, and power lvl their way up. You won't see a 3X white weapon on an alt with a high main, unless they just lvled it that same day, in which case they should've had TT weapon already for it anyways. My new BM had fully +4'ed, G7/G8 sharded 70 gears waiting while at 5X.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Just done bh 51 on my nub alt. Went perfectly fine. Don't like random squads, don't go with them.

What I would like to see:
BH's, Hypers, and Oracles to be removed completely.

If you think it was better before... you're very wrong... Be very very scared of random squads doing your fbs bk in the old days... Now atleast ppl do bhs & know the dungeons fairly well...

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Look at all the BH nubs trying to say it's not the fault of the BH system leveling people too fast. It really is. I'm not saying to change it back to the way it was, but not putting the blame where it clearly belongs is sad and funny at the same time.

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Eh...power levelers aren't 6x on the oldest server. You're likely squadding with alts of people playing classes different than what they're used to.

Not likely at all. Many of the oldest players on the server usually do their BH's together, and we hardly fail at them. We rarely do pick-up parties with strangers, and when we do it's almost always the nub's mistakes that get the party wiped. Most of the older players know where every mob in every FB/BH is from running hundreds if not thousands of FBs, and even though I used BH100 orbs, dailies and hardly quested my levels on my veno, I know how to play one decently enough not to cause squad wipes. I've been playing with other characters with my main long enough to know what a particular class is supposed to do and when. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but the people who make them consistently without learning are often the people who are new to this game.

Back in the day, we used to run any particular FB shortly after doing our own. Even though many of the parties were only doing fb's at their level or slightly higher, without genies or blessings, fail was far less common. Now you have BHs where parties 15-20 levels higher fail regularly.

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

There are plenty of noobs that join a server, old or new, and power lvl their way up. You won't see a 3X white weapon on an alt with a high main, unless they just lvled it that same day, in which case they should've had TT weapon already for it anyways. My new BM had fully +4'ed, G7/G8 sharded 70 gears waiting while at 5X.

I'd have to agree. Many people's alts are better geared than most new people's mains. When I get to the point to where I want to do frost, I'll leech off a freind who can solo it. b:surrender

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't think it's Hyper/Oracle/BH noobs really, it's jsut people who can't bother to (try to) learn their class. I've seen ALOT of fail charaters below level 30. I mean archer using swords, or opening combos with skills like lightning strike? Removing fast leveling will not get rid of horrible players, just make it harder for them (everyone) to level. Takes a while to level with BHs IMO. Finding complete BH squads at the right time isn't easy =/

Some people are idiots/jerks and while removing Hypers/Oracles/BHs will get rid of a lot of them, it will also chase decent players away from the game, as they'll hit a wall and get bored of spending 3-5 monthes to gain ~10 levels.

The thing is, I see lots of fail characters, even up to lvl 100. Fast leveling has pushed them to a higher arbitrary number and give plenty of experience points, not given them more in-game experience.

Before BH, nobody really complained about how difficult it was to level. Most people were comfortable with the pace. Go search the forums yourself. Look back 9 months to a year and a half ago. There are really no complaints. The whole 'speed level' approach was installed by the company to rush people to end game so they have to spend real money to be competitive.

It didn't bother me it took me nearly a year to hit 100. It doesn't bother me that you can do it now in about 3-4 months if you do all your dalies and BHs. It doesn't bother me that you can do it in as little as 4-5 weeks either. I just lol at the results. Yes, people who have been playing for a year can tell when a nub is a nub, even if the squad isn't fail. Not putting blame where it lies is the issue I'm addressing. lol

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Most of the older players know where every mob in every FB/BH is from running hundreds if not thousands of FBs,

human brain is amazing isnt it lol

Back in the day, we used to run any particular FB shortly after doing our own. Even though many of the parties were only doing fb's at their level or slightly higher, without genies or blessings, fail was far less common. Now you have BHs where parties 15-20 levels higher fail regularly.

The thing is, I see lots of fail characters, even up to lvl 100. Fast leveling has pushed them to a higher arbitrary number and give plenty of experience points, not given them more in-game experience.

Before BH, nobody really complained about how difficult it was to level. Most people were comfortable with the pace. Go search the forums yourself. Look back 9 months to a year and a half ago. There are really no complaints. The whole 'speed level' approach was installed by the company to rush people to end game so they have to spend real money to be competitive.

It didn't bother me it took me nearly a year to hit 100. It doesn't bother me that you can do it now in about 3-4 months if you do all your dalies and BHs. It doesn't bother me that you can do it in as little as 4-5 weeks either. I just lol at the results. Yes, people who have been playing for a year can tell when a nub is a nub, even if the squad isn't fail. Not putting blame where it lies is the issue I'm addressing. lol

so true.....

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

It's just your bad luck finding fail squads... for now. Like you said, as time goes on things will get worse and eventually finding 5 fail squads in a row and being unable to do your bhs without dying so much the BH barely gives you your exp back will be the norm. At which point I will quit forever.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just done bh 51 on my nub alt. Went perfectly fine. Don't like random squads, don't go with them.


If you think it was better before... you're very wrong... Be very very scared of random squads doing your fbs bk in the old days... Now atleast ppl do bhs & know the dungeons fairly well...

I will do FB49 again (got tab on level 50 wiz) with just level 50s and hopefully they won't want to tag along with higher levels than 58 to bother to squad with... And make a vid of it this time. I won't just tank bosses.

How was it better before? People are still not very experienced in important quests and their own level FBs. Unless there are people that are playing since a while ago and knows what they are doing. I do FBs my level just fine, it takes more team work and tactics than just using auto attack.

Anyways, fail thread. Learn to go quest instead of staying in an instance OP, staying in caves isn't healthy, go out and exercise b:bye

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

You won't see a 3X white weapon on an alt with a high main, unless they just lvled it that same day, in which case they should've had TT weapon already for it anyways.

Oh reallly? my sin went from 3x to 80 using the same 3x mold dagger. no oracles or hypers on him what so ever for those levels. only log him to do bhs... so it probably took me a good month or two to level him up. occasionly the sin might venture out alone... but there is no reason to get him decent gears when there are 101s running all his bhs.

Okeano - Harshlands

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I will do FB49 again (got tab on level 50 wiz) with just level 50s and hopefully they won't want to tag along with higher levels than 58 to bother to squad with... And make a vid of it this time. I won't just tank bosses.

How was it better before? People are still not very experienced in important quests and their own level FBs. Unless there are people that are playing since a while ago and knows what they are doing. I do FBs my level just fine, it takes more team work and tactics than just using auto attack.

Anyways, fail thread. Learn to go quest instead of staying in an instance OP, staying in caves isn't healthy, go out and exercise b:bye

There is no FB 49... and there's no point making a video because it doesn't mean a thing. It's not something new that you "brave" players invented. How do you think the first FBs on the servers were ran?

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh reallly? my sin went from 3x to 80 using the same 3x mold dagger. no oracles or hypers on him what so ever for those levels. only log him to do bhs... so it probably took me a good month or two to level him up. occasionly the sin might venture out alone... but there is no reason to get him decent gears when there are 101s running all his bhs.

That's not power leveling your alt. That's having an alt that you don't really care about and get on to do bh once in a while. There won't always be 10X around to run BH for most people's alt so having practically no gears on your alt while having a high main is rare.

I suppose there are ppl that decide not to gear up their alt at all til later levels, but they still won't be the fail ones in BH. When you lvled up the old fashion way, you've spent enough time with every class to know the basics, even tho if you have never played one. I never gotten a Cleric above lvl 10, but I know not to heal aggro, when to pop up plume shield and when to pop BB. My Barbs were never over 35, but I know that I have to spam FR to hold aggro. My Venos were never over 35 but I know how to pull.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »

U Mad Bro?

DevilishTaki - Lost City wrote: »

Captain Obvious is obvious.

Unless you have any actual input I would request that you refrain from making pointless posts like that in this thread. This thread was made for discussion not the just random QQing of a lvl.6x.

You say you want BH's to get removed completely but then you're looking for a BH squad. That's pretty cool.

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear

Power leveling is the kind of thing that sorts itself out. They get to a high level, find that they made a huge mistake with their class and start over. Once they get a class they like, they level and level until they get bored, which is much sooner than someone else, and leave the game. Then, you can simply sit back and lol at them.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

lol, I experience same kind of awesomeness with my BM alt.
We went for Styg a few days back, no wine, 2 venos , cleric, my BM , a barb and archer.
One of the venos was insisting to lure...dunno why 'cause she was really, really bad at it.
She was luring, from the tankers line (me and barb) and obviously with the ranged mobs in 79 she died like there's no tomorrow. 4-5 time at least until we reached Styg.
I told her to run back after lure, let me and tank deal with mobs.
Nah... I think she was on ignore.
At styg we clear all mobs cause archer was late and I thought well, if veno does some stupidity again we won't wipe. To my amazement si found a way to die there too. barb lured with genie and ran back a bit, and during that time she sent her walker to styg. The pet got aggro over genie of course, then proceeded to 2 shot her.
I told her nicely "never get between tank and mob/boss when tank is luring".
After I quit the squad to exit the fb ... she challenged me to a duel... Roar + Fissure +cleave and "victory".
She started to trash talk me on common chat in DWP...first Blacklist on my BM

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

You say you want BH's to get removed completely but then you're looking for a BH squad. That's pretty cool.

Ignoring something doesn't make it go away.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

/Gohan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ignoring something doesn't make it go away.

b:shocked you mean the skin colour? b:angry how could u do that!! that is mean

/Gohan - Dreamweaver

Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:shocked you mean the skin colour? b:angry how could u do that!! that is mean

What? O.o

/10char

truekossy

BHS ARE THE CANCER THAT ARE KILL....


Aw **** it. I just can't finish that one. Imma go exit the thread in shame with my measly +1. b:surrender

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

b:laugh i will follow your step.. almost 400

Asheera - Raging Tide

LOL at people like Michael_Dark who thinks BH is "easy" because it's 10 levels below

Yet he says doing fb's (which is most of time powerleveling) is fine and teaches you much more.

My theory with so many failures at BH is exactly because BH is too hard for stupid people.

And the slow leveling doesn't improve those stupid ones but only makes them quit of boredom. And how is a server with less ppl, even if failures, better? Even those can be useful at times at least.


Removing BHs won't improve the people that play, end of story. It only improves the overall "quality" of high levels because those noobs will quit on the way with all the grind.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

b:victory Just dont do BH with random ppl b:chuckle full stop, I hate to join up to a random squad.. and so full of fails

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Eh. I've always done my BHs with random people with very few exceptions, from 7x on this char until now and from 4x on another char. I've never really had any painfully bad fail squads - a few partywipes, but nothing so bad that people disbanded and gave up. Sounds like bad luck to me.

DevilishTaki - Lost City

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

You say you want BH's to get removed completely but then you're looking for a BH squad. That's pretty cool.

*Flies in through an open window* Back from work.


Its an effective way to lvl. I'm not just going to ignore it. Plus sometimes I only have an hour or so to play a day on some occasions. Might as well make use of the little time that I have.

Just because I don't like the BH's that much doesn't mean I won't take advantage of them.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

LOL at people like Michael_Dark who thinks BH is "easy" because it's 10 levels below

Yet he says doing fb's (which is most of time powerleveling) is fine and teaches you much more.

My theory with so many failures at BH is exactly because BH is too hard for stupid people.

And the slow leveling doesn't improve those stupid ones but only makes them quit of boredom. And how is a server with less ppl, even if failures, better? Even those can be useful at times at least.


Removing BHs won't improve the people that play, end of story. It only improves the overall "quality" of high levels because those noobs will quit on the way with all the grind.

Yes it will, infact how about level restrictions too?

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Dear OP:

I looked at your signature and that answered everything. I recommend you look at your signature too, and then you'll realise how dumb it was of you to make this thread.

Enjoy the game.