Venomancer and PvP

Desiree - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry, but duels ARE pvp. What is a duel? 2 players, fighting each other. It is a player vs another player, therefore, it is by its very nature, pvp. Fair pvp at that. You people just hate it when anyone can fight back. You focus so much on your damage that you ignore your defense and that is why you gank, you can't take a hit.b:bye

I played a PvE server for a short while. It was pathetic. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about true 1v1 where both fighters rush at each other EXPECTING to fight. And in that situation, there's a BIG difference between a duel and real open world PvP. If you want to see an example of what I consider true PvP, watch a few of Transcend's videos, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpN4DBnxqMw&fmt=22 - the video shows examples of 1v1 (not the smartest BMs but meh) and group PvP. Another example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxpa_5qs0o&NR=1&fmt=22

Until you can show me proof that there is a sizable number of players on PvE servers that can PK even with a sliver of skill like that, your words mean worth nothing more than that archer that believes that the reason archers barrage on TW crystals is to do damage to the crystal.

~Desiree

Aniella - Harshlands

k its alot 1 vs 2 on harsland....yeah sometimes its fun..cuz yeha 2 lvl 100s w rank wep vs me..so if i die, i can have fun that im worth that much LOL. and i don't care about wining a fooking pvp..cuz poit is to have fun..not win..

everything is fake:D and nothing will haqppen if u die..if those peps call u failed or weak..its their prob that thay take this game so seriously. they maybe forget its a game :O

:P na most peps that talk shiiet about others is 8-10 years old..so why talk to those kids..that can't respect that this is not real LOL.

just ignore those kids..xD i think those kid wil change if they where more out w friends..xD

kenlee

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

Until you can show me proof that there is a sizable number of players on PvE servers that can PK even with a sliver of skill like that, your words mean worth nothing more than that archer that believes that the reason archers barrage on TW crystals is to do damage to the crystal.

~Desiree

strange enough there are plenty of archers that belive that. about those yt videos, there is no point posting them here... most venos here are from pve server and dont even know the basics

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Oh, videos that show how much you people HATE when your targets can fight back. Let me know when you learn to play.

Desiree - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, videos that show how much you people HATE when your targets can fight back. Let me know when you learn to play.

You're level of ignorance is confounding. Fair fights like that is what real PKers on PvP servers enjoy and consider real, fun PvP. Here, we still distinguish between ganking, zerging, and true number-balanced PvP where it is expected that your opponent is in a state of awareness and capable of retaliation. I see no enjoyment nor motivation in PKing someone who can or has no intention of fighting back.

On a side note, if you have doubts in my ability to take damage, I'd suggest you take a few quick peeks at my TW videos where I'm tanking 8jun wizards and waves of nixes and +10 purge bows. You, on the other hand, I remember reading your posts in the veno subsection back when I first started playing veno and you were a high lvl 90. Back then, even as a complete newbie to the veno class, I found your lack of real PvP knowledge surprising. Today, I still do. But then again, you speak of your experience on a PvE server, so I don't blame you.

~Desiree

truekossy

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

You're level of ignorance is confounding. Fair fights like that is what real PKers on PvP servers enjoy and consider real, fun PvP. Here, we still distinguish between ganking, zerging, and true number-balanced PvP where it is expected that your opponent is in a state of awareness and capable of retaliation. I see no enjoyment nor motivation in PKing someone who can or has no intention of fighting back.

On a side note, if you have doubts in my ability to take damage, I'd suggest you take a few quick peeks at my TW videos where I'm tanking 8jun wizards and waves of nixes and +10 purge bows. You, on the other hand, I remember reading your posts in the veno subsection back when I first started playing veno and you were a high lvl 90. Back then, even as a complete newbie to the veno class, I found your lack of real PvP knowledge surprising. Today, I still do. But then again, you speak of your experience on a PvE server, so I don't blame you.

~Desiree

Until you can get 1-shot through hood, you are nowhere near Zoe's level of PvP capability.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »

being on human vs sin is not a smart idea cos sin will heve much 2 easy 2 pk u while in foxform u can take some hits ooh and onlu purge when they spark atherwise ull die

Sorry ment to respond to this one a while ago .... got side tracked. Human form vs sin might depend very well on the build of the veno. Then you have to add in the gear for each of the players. Two similarly lvl'd and geared (ie same approx refines, gear lvl etc) will have a one type of result vs a different result if one is in TT99 and one in nirvana +10.

Personally, I feel that the break down build of the veno can make a huge difference in a win or loss.

Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver

I admitt not so good at pvp...yet...an yes im on a pve server. That said i like my pet to be either the nix or herc(depending on location) entirely because of pounce's tiny stun, if you have changed your legendary pet by removing it then i geuss its not a factor. I have also noticed that lately nobody seems to believe in adding life to thier toons since they are looking at dmg output with tunnel vision. Mostly seems like if you hit them with pet stun followed by lucky scarab an ironwood an venomous then they are likely dead if your still alive. So far it seems that simple.Oh an dont mess with assasins cause I cant freaking see them:(

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Lets see here, stunning = you hate a target that can fight back. Running away while your pet attacks = you hate a target that can fight back.

Sleeping = you hate a target that can fight back.

People who say a veno can't pvp without a pet = bunch of idiots that never learned how to play. My pet was killed once in TW, I dropped the next 5 people that attacked me while petless, until the next 4 attacked me at once and finally brought me down.

Didn't need to stop them from hitting me back, didn't need to gank them, didn't need a pet. Guess what, I won anyway. Learn to play.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »

only gona say this once only pvp server veno will have any say in this veno and pvp thread
i see so many pve server veno talking about pvp then what the hell u doing on a PVE server.


get real

Yea get real, no kidding eh?

Desiree - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lets see here, stunning = you hate a target that can fight back. Running away while your pet attacks = you hate a target that can fight back.

Sleeping = you hate a target that can fight back.

You have a very funny definition of "hating a target that can fight back". Its as if you're trying to say that PvP should be a straightforward stare-down of two players engaged in a game of "who can deal the most damage in the shortest amount of time first", i.e. who has a higher damage output or attack speed/channeling. Two sitting ducks pecking each other. How cute ^_^ Unfortunately one of the ducks has a +12 beak and the other only has a +4 beak. From your perspective, the first duck will win all the time, no?

People who say a veno can't pvp without a pet = bunch of idiots that never learned how to play.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

My pet was killed once in TW, I dropped the next 5 people that attacked me while petless, until the next 4 attacked me at once and finally brought me down.
Didn't need to stop them from hitting me back, didn't need to gank them, didn't need a pet. Guess what, I won anyway. Learn to play.

The last time I TW'd on a PvE server, I was two-shotting everyone and tearing apart nix-venos with only magic spells (before my sawfly even get to them). I really don't see that as an accomplishment - you're fighting people in PvE gear who attack each other in PvE style. Try fighting properly geared people who use different skillsets between PvE and PvP situations. You may only need to spam Venomous Scarab and Ironwood Scarab in PvE, but if you are telling me that you never use Lucky Scarab, Parasitic Nova, or Demon Frost Scarab (if you're demon) in PvP, anything you say here-on-after is invalid.

While I agree that its possible to kill others without a pet, trying to do so purposefully and ignoring the important support role of your pet is ignorance. Its like a cleric that PKs without buffs or ever using plume shell (yes, sadly, I've seen this wayyy too many times on PvE servers that it hurts to think about it). Can a cleric PK like that? Yes. Should a cleric be PKing like that? No. If you want to play a nuker class, go reroll a wizard.

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[url=http://profile.perfectworld.com/u/zoefox]Zoe's profile[/url] wrote:

Pvp: Kill 167

lolwhat? I almost never use PK count to judge a person, but 167... I'm perplexed - exactly how long have you been TWing/PKing?

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

I remember a HA veno who used to TW..she said she kills more effectively without her nix..

I've never laughed so hard.

Maiira - Sanctuary

if ur pking for fun n dont really care as much, then pk without using your greatest weapon as training i commonly pk without a pet so that when it really matters and i am using my pet and some1 kills it, i wont fail. ive met too many veno's who rely on their pet to do the killing for them. key is more to learn your opponent and how to counter them, when u see an archer spark, use feral concentration to make his extra damage useless, etc.