Venomancer and PvP

ReddCryystal - Archosaur

I apologize if this is a duplicate thread. I did search using those key words and came up with nothing about this topic. That being said...

Is there a guide or F.A.Q. about PvP with a venomancer? If not, can we discuss it here?

Like do you pvp in fox form, human form, or a combination of both. What pet to use that is best for pvp, genie skills and such.

Any tips would be appreciated

Lythianaa - Dreamweaver

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=198681

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=4261

Have a bit of PvP info on both these stickied threads. You should read them up just to get a feel.

I do not PvP myself so I would not know much about PvP venos. The HA/AA build is apparently, from what I read, exceptional when facing different opponents because you have to ability to change armor based on your weaknesses. It's an expensive build though, but it's awesome if you can pull it off. A nix would be great in PvP, as it is the best DPS pet, although if you don't want to spend, the sawfly would be a good pet to use in PvP.

Otherwise, I think the PvP venos should answer this thread. I'm only speaking from what I've heard and read.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

At my level, pets aren't really of any use in pvp. Phoenixes do not do enough damage for anyone to care about and they get 1 shotted anyway.

I pvp in fox and human. I throw spells at targets I think I can kill, and when its someone I can't, I go fox and debuff them to make them easy to kill. You'd be AMAZED at how a player goes from "OMG why won't you die!" to "Wow you are really weak" with a simple purge.

To be good as a pvp venomancer you have to make good use of both forms.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear

Techinically I only PVP in TW. But debuffs are a veno's best friend. The stun from the nix, then dart in debuff and back off, lucky scarab (stun skill) are helpful. Then basically nuke the **** out of them. Sin's have a stun ability and when I am dueling them they really really hate having the nix on auto defend as they'll go invisible then stun attack you, and the nix auto stuns them back giving you time to get out of the stun lock.

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City

being on human vs sin is not a smart idea cos sin will heve much 2 easy 2 pk u while in foxform u can take some hits ooh and onlu purge when they spark atherwise ull die

Desiree - Harshlands

ReddCryystal - Archosaur wrote: »

I apologize if this is a duplicate thread. I did search using those key words and came up with nothing about this topic. That being said...

Is there a guide or F.A.Q. about PvP with a venomancer? If not, can we discuss it here?

Like do you pvp in fox form, human form, or a combination of both. What pet to use that is best for pvp, genie skills and such.

Any tips would be appreciated

Fox form --> purge, amp, maybe pattack if you're HA
Human form --> magical nuke

Pet --> Any with Pounce and Flesh Ream. You want the pet with the highest base pattack, regardless of attack speed, etc. because the only real damage your pet will contribute is whatever broken damage comes from Flesh Ream. After it's done that, its just an extra helper.

Genie Skill --> Air Strand: 5 second immobilize. Other skills are based on your genie build/play style. Generic offensive skills: Tangle Mire, Extreme Poison, Frenzy, Bramble Rage. Generic defence skills: Tree of Protection, Absolute Domain, Expel, Second Wind. Generic support skills: Occult Ice, Cloud Eruption, Fortify.

Learning --> Observe others, experiment with others in controlled situations, use SL and experiment with others in open uncontrolled situations, watch PK videos ( http://www.rqclan.com/vids/stream/RQTheatre.html ), watch TW videos ( http://www.youtube.com/user/TehKeripo ).

~Desiree

Malego - Heavens Tear

Nah, even pet flesh ream is worthless. I laugh when phoenixes hit me with it since it does so little damage to me that I ignore it. I don't think pet flesh ream has been a threat to me since I was level...50 maybe?

Whoops, wrong avatar. Supposed to have posted on my veno.

Desiree - Harshlands

Malego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nah, even pet flesh ream is worthless. I laugh when phoenixes hit me with it since it does so little damage to me that I ignore it. I don't think pet flesh ream has been a threat to me since I was level...50 maybe?

Whoops, wrong avatar. Supposed to have posted on my veno.

At lvl 100, it does roughly 1-1.5k per tick against a purged, average geared arcane user. Not all that strong but still helpful in adding in that extra damage. Against HA's, its like a pathetic 500 or something. Still, venos are the weakest of the magic casters so might as well squeeze in whatever you have - a few hundred damage can often make a big difference.

I personally just Tree of Protection and ignore the nix, but its a big bother if I'm uncharmed and unbuffed or if I don't notice as its still enough damage to cause a charm tick.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Let me ask this then, who, that actually does pvp/pk, is average geared these days? Everyone is running around with +10 lunar/nirvana gear. Veno pets don't mean squat anymore in pvp. They are useless.

Aniella - Harshlands

If u whant learn how to pk ..u must find it out ur self! learn ur skils use ur head. do not relay to much on pet! remeber if pet die u can still win..no need run away!

I can't pk peps w nirvana and goood atk by use normal skils..So i learn a way how to kill those peps easy.
always atk ppl that don't know.
.If they have charm or much hp..Best use spark first..to make u do much dg as well genie like exstram poison = amfy!

Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear

As many people have said in this thread pets arent all that in pk/pvp any more, this is true but you can still get some damn useful skills on them, for example i know people who have replaced flesh ream on their nix for magic defense debuff, which comes in nice and handy for some extra damage.

As for fox/human form it is clear u wanna do damage go human for debuffing etc fox, many people though say fox is only good for purge and amp well i also use skills like berfuding mist, funny watching a barb try and hit you then, also i use stunning blow, it may take a spark but its darn good at stopping them mele classes getting to you and even others running away.

And the best skill is probably soul transfusion, just try and keep your mp high at all times, works great if you use an mp charm, and then if your about to die, use it then you no longer are, amazing for getting out of tricky situations.

Aniella - Harshlands

Its diff from server to server..cuz not all ppl on all server have same status..like harsland its alot ppl w normal gear..then a good pet do much dg! but in a cash shop server..its diff.. cuz there u have better gear and be more owerpored and pets will be only a shiiet that ..u don't have use for.^^

MindCrime - Harshlands

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

I can't pk peps w nirvana and goood atk by use normal skils..So i learn a way how to kill those peps easy.
always atk ppl that don't know.

Lol@ ninja veno

*rolls eyes*

MindCrime - Harshlands

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

Its diff from server to server..cuz not all ppl on all server have same status..like harsland its alot ppl w normal gear..then a good pet do much dg! but in a cash shop server..its diff.. cuz there u have better gear and be more owerpored and pets will be only a shiiet that ..u don't have use for.^^

Uh what?

b:avoid

HL has so many CSers it's not even funny.

Obviously you PK lowbies.

Aniella - Harshlands

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

Uh what?

b:avoid

HL has so many CSers it's not even funny.

Obviously you PK lowbies.

I like pk lowbe killers.:D

u call me " ninja veno" im not just atk peps from sky^^ or jump down from fly and get beside em. then atk >:D

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City

only gona say this once only pvp server veno will have any say in this veno and pvp thread
i see so many pve server veno talking about pvp then what the hell u doing on a PVE server.


get real

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver

I'm on a pve server too but experienced pk with some of my other chars. Venos can make melee users suicide (Bramble Hood) I rly love to Bramble Hood myself and watch how they suicide b:chuckle Venos r good against classes with low mp (barbs) by using Melefic Crush u can burn their whole mana in the meantime purge and amp u can also use Tangling Mire and Extreme Poison for even more dmg while he tries to restore mana with pots mp food or charm u can send pet with pounce to stun then bramble yourself in best cases bramble hood if u have chi pills get far away from them (Holy Path) and kick them bad b:victory

It can be a pain against magic users some can stun u so u must have a genie skill which immobilizes u to sleep effects such as Fortify u can either use Stunning Blow Lucky Scarab or send pet to stun with Pounce u must quickly purge and amp in case they have Fortify too or other genie skills that unstun then go back in human form use Metabolic Boost or Soul Transfusion if u got hit or just Second Wind/Tree of Protection and hit bad.

U must stay alive if u do that than everything will be ok. Venos have 3 ways of regaining hp (Metabolic Boost Soul Transfusion Second Wind/Tree of Protection) I was once training with a cleric friend first time she two hit me after i used regen skills i could survive up to 6-7 hits which gave me enough time to stun amp purge hit and win b:cute

As long as u know what and when to do u will be a bad kick **** veno! ^.~

b:shocked I hope barbs and other classes didn't hear me how i beat them! xD

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City

then why u on a pve server 2 me it just show me u wana hit end game and then pvp wish kill the pvp aspect and if u tell me u have disabled the pvp shield from the start then why play on a pve server 2 being with.

why u will always have a 0 comment on my mind when it comes 2 pvp aspect 2 meb:bye srry.

pve server is for pve while pvp server is for pvp dont u think b:surrender
come 2 pvp server and ill listen 2 ur storyb:laugh

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver

Well the prob is I don't pk all the time that is why I chose pve server. I actually don't pk a lot i just know some tricks from personal exp and some from observing but most of them i found out about while dueling or pking. =] If i go to pvp i wouldn't wanna get pked every time i go afk or even if i'm not. >.> Though some friends moved to pvp server and i might try it out but i will probably get bored doing the same old quests over and over again. b:surrender

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear

Whether or not we are on a PvP server shouldn't matter...what should matter is those that are experienced PKers vs PvE only players. So what if on PvE we can decide when we want to PK and when not to PK. I find it amusing to get in BH squad and have negotiations from those in squad in PK mode about not pking each other during the BH before they arrive at the BH.

PK styles might vary from PvP to PvE servers so everyone might learn something.

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver

Yeah every second i spend in pk mode i learn smth new. Or even from some duels. I was on my husbands barb and he accidentally used Malefic Crush on me while he was on my veno. I usually don't use foxeh form a lot and it never came across my mind to burn barbs mana it can be very helpful especially when u see a barb buffing himself so he already spent some mana and u can be sure u will burn all his mana even if your Malefic Crush is lvl1 or 2 which will lead to only success. b:victory I hope barbs don't start buying mp charms after they've seen this post. b:chuckle

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City

lol u think thats funy why not purge them instead ull we hated a lot more then rpking would especially from barb and cleric.

when i am bored i go to heaven tears and silver pool and purge anybody with buffs i can garante ull get lots of hate lolb:laugh

Aniella - Harshlands

Pking is easy..just look what skils other classes do and try find a way to make em stop do that or..well know others moves. know thier weakness^^

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver

Knowing other classes weaknesses can be of very very good use. I sometimes go on my alts and duel and i just sit back and observe what other classes to do me and what i am weak against then i go back on veno and kick bad. b:cute

Desiree - Harshlands

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm on a pve server too but experienced pk with some of my other chars. Venos can make melee users suicide (Bramble Hood) I rly love to Bramble Hood myself and watch how they suicide b:chuckle Venos r good against classes with low mp (barbs) by using Melefic Crush u can burn their whole mana...

That's not called PvP. That's called dueling. Duels =/= PvP.

On a side note, most barbs use MP charms. Why? Because a platinum charm will easily last them a month and every time a barb buffs, they're down to like a third MP. Try PKing with such a high need to manually replenish your MP pool and you're doomed to fail.

Is Malefic Crush a viable skill in PK? In my opinion, unless you're trying to go for the Chaotic Spirit combo, no. That time would have been much better used purge, amp, crush vigor, or even befundling mist-ing the target.

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver

Yes I duel but also pk. I didn't have the opportunity to try Malefic Crush on many targets it will work if they r uncharmed it costs valuable sparks and i decided not to use it a lot but it's still a good skill. And i was talking that i observe what happens in duels i wouldn't stay back and watch getting pked lol I learn the weaknesses of each class and hit their weak spot in pk that is what i meant.

Aniella - Harshlands

I stared to pk at lvl 70-80 xD duel alot to learn what skills that are worth to use in pvp xD and i leaned other classes skills as well. i have play all classes xD so know a bit of em all xD

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

That's not called PvP. That's called dueling. Duels =/= PvP.

On a side note, most barbs use MP charms. Why? Because a platinum charm will easily last them a month and every time a barb buffs, they're down to like a third MP. Try PKing with such a high need to manually replenish your MP pool and you're doomed to fail.

Is Malefic Crush a viable skill in PK? In my opinion, unless you're trying to go for the Chaotic Spirit combo, no. That time would have been much better used purge, amp, crush vigor, or even befundling mist-ing the target.

Sorry, but duels ARE pvp. What is a duel? 2 players, fighting each other. It is a player vs another player, therefore, it is by its very nature, pvp. Fair pvp at that. You people just hate it when anyone can fight back. You focus so much on your damage that you ignore your defense and that is why you gank, you can't take a hit.b:bye

tweakz

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

If u whant learn how to pk ..u must find it out ur self! learn ur skils use ur head. do not relay to much on pet! remeber if pet die u can still win..no need run away!

They probably just want the laugh of how long it takes you to kill them. b:chuckle

Maiira - Sanctuary

i started pk at lv60 on this char from my experiences in order to be a good pker now with all the players getting end game gear, you have to be smarter with how you use your skills in order to win, take your nix against ha players in open pk ofc it wont be as effective, so learn your opponent, most barb skills that are used in pk are aoe's even though the veno skill bramble no longer reflects, the reflect skill on a herc still does. against arcane players if you use the 79 skills myriad rainbow, human or fox and they get hit with the -100% pdef or ur demon and demon ironwood succeeds. arcane players can take up to 3k damage per round from bleed off a 100 nix.

i agree with what aniella said as well. when you are just pking for fun and trying things, try pking without a pet and learn to fight properly without a pet so that when you are using your pet in a real fight and it gets killed, you dont become useless. ive seen too many venomancers who rely on their pets to do the killing for them.

Aniella - Harshlands

tweakz wrote: »

They probably just want the laugh of how long it takes you to kill them. b:chuckle

u wanna know..k i let u know but ..don't think i lie cuz this is true:
why not go on this server ask my friends..then ur sure its not a lie ;D or u can duel me....meet me on harsland.

umh didn't u say u can own me w lvl 3x char..yea good idea:D lvl up 1 to 3x. u said u will but u didn't. ..that was bad lie..i was waithing on ya..u make me sad QQ

why u lie to others..