OPINION: Packs Have ruined the game.
Ganden - Sanctuary
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Yes .. we all know about the packs.. in my term these packs are know as " PWIs Key item for making cash" other wise they wouldnt keep coming up with new packs and releasing the same ones. Ever since Tiger packs came out i belive the game has hit a all time low. I used to play this game ALOT.. and loved the classes, AH system, Mounts, PK. Pretty much everything about the game. That was the old days.. PWI is Abusing these packs, and many of us players have relized this. These packs have greatly altered the economy, out blanceing game play vs marketing. I have noticed i am spending more time marketing then actually playing the game... Quest are stacking.. No time for Dailies.. spending more then half the day in a cash shop all just to have money to play the game.. Now i know many of you disagree with me, and love the packs. but this is just my opinion of the game, so just take it lightly. It has now been a month since i last played PWI. i have moved on to a new rpg. which is not over powerd by cash shoppers. I can atually play the game rather then spend my whole day marketing. I am positive i wil eventually unistall the game. But it sadens me to think about the old days. and how much i loved playing pwi.
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i agree. packs have really hurt this game. this is exactly what happened in PW-MY and thats why I came here... oh well
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Opinion: I love this game because of packs.
Insert massive WallOfQQ here. Wait what?100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »Opinion: I love this game because of packs.
Insert massive WallOfQQ here. Wait what?
Well excatly =p As i siad in my post some of you will love the packs.0 -
The sad truth now is that if you want to do well in the game, actually playing it is now, more than ever, the least effective way of doing so.0
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Packs = bad. I knew things would go horribly wrong before they even came out. I saw the token rewards at the forges at least a month beforehand. I do not like them, I do not want them. I want the entire game rolled back to the point BEFORE any packs came out.0
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Adeacia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Packs = bad. I knew things would go horribly wrong before they even came out. I saw the token rewards at the forges at least a month beforehand. I do not like them, I do not want them. I want the entire game rolled back to the point BEFORE any packs came out.
i strongly agree0 -
And if the GMs do lock this post, that really shows that they are hiding that packs are there biggest money makers lol..0
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Firstly, yeah - packs have ruined the game. However, taking packs away now is bad, as it's too late. The in-game economy is completely reliant upon packs, the tokens, and the end-game gear. They leave for more than 3 weeks and prices go crazy all over in the server for teles, shards, as well as end-game gear, and anything else acquirable via tokens.
Secondly, yep this topic will be closed. When it comes to actually being honest and showing any criticism on how PWE runs PWI w/ PW-CN in the background, it always just gets locked. Sending tickets take 1 1/2 weeks w/ an automated response. Poor quality game, poor management, poor everything just in general...0 -
I wouldn't worry about it.Lonely man with a big heart.0
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And yet we are still playing o.o so they did something right apparently.Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »\Poor quality game, poor management, poor everything just in general...
But yeah this topic will closed because the GMs are communists and don't like people voicing their opinions about them.
And yes the packs are killing this game.0 -
if they cud just sell something that involved a random number of tokens or so, between like 10-30 or so, take out the ridiculas rewards from the npc that u exchange them with, it would of been all good, but the damage is done and thats that.
now that the duke is shouting again, we can see jus thow much money is being flooded into the game with best lucks, and how many peices of stupidly OP gear is being flooded into the rich CS'ers hands by right clicking once, having things like apoc pages, mp food, pet foods, tele's etc are all good, just the light things that dont hurt the game, clearly PWI and the devs are just milking all the morons that want to be power hungry.
personaly i cant wait to say good ridence to this destroyed game when a certain game comes out in winter.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Kantorek: we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will."
*One week later*
"Frankieraye: Lucky Corals and Platinum Charms are going to be in the Boutique indefinitely."
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Firstly, yeah - packs have ruined the game. However, taking packs away now is bad, as it's too late. The in-game economy is completely reliant upon packs, the tokens, and the end-game gear. They leave for more than 3 weeks and prices go crazy all over in the server for teles, shards, as well as end-game gear, and anything else acquirable via tokens.
Secondly, yep this topic will be closed. When it comes to actually being honest and showing any criticism on how PWE runs PWI w/ PW-CN in the background, it always just gets locked. Sending tickets take 1 1/2 weeks w/ an automated response. Poor quality game, poor management, poor everything just in general...
i agree with you +10 -
it just sadense me so much to see the game being destroyed.0
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Firstly, yeah - packs have ruined the game. However, taking packs away now is bad, as it's too late. The in-game economy is completely reliant upon packs, the tokens, and the end-game gear. They leave for more than 3 weeks and prices go crazy all over in the server for teles, shards, as well as end-game gear, and anything else acquirable via tokens.
Secondly, yep this topic will be closed. When it comes to actually being honest and showing any criticism on how PWE runs PWI w/ PW-CN in the background, it always just gets locked. Sending tickets take 1 1/2 weeks w/ an automated response. Poor quality game, poor management, poor everything just in general...
What Tremble said is entirely true. People warned PWI to not instate packs back as far as open beta because this is exactly what happened to PW-MY. You can't give top end gear out like candy in gamble packs like that. But as it stands now, -everyone- has endgame legendary gear. What wasn't supposed to be common is now the norm and it's sickening. What's the point of playing a game if there's no reward to it? There's no sense of accomplishment left in PWI anymore. You want frost weapons? Then tediously farm or buy packs until you get a force.
There is very little left to farm in this game. Hell, one pack even gave out the mats to make the HH 100 weapons which is utterly moronic on their part. Why take away what people are supposed to work for and earn and give it to them on a silver platter? When did this game become so WoWlike? The Kin keeps it installed only to log on and attempt to play but..After seeing level 100 after level 100 after level 100, The Kin remembers when hitting level 70 actually meant something..The nostalgia is depressing and The Kin just logs off with no will to play. It's sad what this game has become when it could have been so much more. Effort is required to play a game. Not extreme effort, but things shouldn't be EZ mode.
It's exactly like how some games on the Wii play themselves for you if you get stuck..What's the point? Have people become SO selfish, so arrogant that they can't even work to achieve anything themselves anymore? Sickening. /endrant.0 -
Game (or economy, that's what you are meaning) isn't completely broken yet. MY-EN is far worse: 1m gold price and all. But honestly, packs are only partly the reason why game is "broken". Now there is TT99 and Nirvana available and those things mostly come from farming. The only thing that packs gave us were Lunar weapons (Nirvana is better most of the time, even the TT Nirvana), high level tomes and event capes, helms and boots. Two last items are pretty much non-existent now since new packs don't have those.
Cheap shards, teles and other stuff like socket stones are actually a good thing. The only thing I dislike are the 10m big notes.
And remember, anything that can be farmed and resold can also be bought with real life money. The prices would just be higher since the supply is lower.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »now that the duke is shouting again, we can see jus thow much money is being flooded into the game with best lucks, and how many peices of stupidly OP gear is being flooded into the rich CS'ers hands by right clicking once, having things like apoc pages, mp food, pet foods, tele's etc are all good, just the light things that dont hurt the game, clearly PWI and the devs are just milking all the morons that want to be power hungry.
personaly i cant wait to say good ridence to this destroyed game when a certain game comes out in winter.
If you know how to play with the economy / merch even a non-cash shopper can have this gear. Have you seen the "10 billion" thing thread? I'm pretty sure that guy is not a cash shopper just knows to be patient and keep merching and keeping earnings to get more and more.
As for the OP, this will be closed, for sure, not because they don't like the comments, just for the simple fact that this has been posted idk how many times. . . yet people keep opening threads about it on the same exact section.
The game indeed was hurt by the packs, hwoever, as someone else said, the damage is done and there's no way back, whenever the packs / tokens leave, the prices go crazy, even for simple things as opening a TT, teleporting somewhere, getting potions, getting lvl 79 skills, all is going around these packs at the moment.
I don't really know where do people get the idea that packs are making them money, have you seen the PWE stock charts to say this?, if not here it is:
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/PWRD/tab/2
In a way it is the only way for them to make money to keep the game up, pretty much, every other single item is not being sold as much as packs are. Before fashion was the top seller item (for cash shoppers), now, everyone has what they want to have, mounts? everyone has a mount now, aero gear? everyone has one or two (and there's very few that do not have these, which are the non cash shoppers which does not affect PWE's economy much).
One thing you will need to learn is, on free to play games, cash will ALWAYS have advantage over "free" players. If you complain about this, you're complaining for nothing, they will not change this fact since "free" players basically just keep the player base up, HOWEVER, they do not contribute to the expenses for these servers / licences / development / workers / etc.
Nothing is free on this life, and if you find a free game, I just hope you really have the patience to deal with all the issues those games have, due to the lack of development / support / etc. you may find an advertisement every 5 secs on these games, and such.
If you don't want to deal with cash shoppers, move to a pay to play game, these do not have a cash shop or atleast they do not have items that affect the game play as free to play games do.
So, this being said, I do expect a lot of trolling to my comment but it is the crude reality, if you don't like it, then instead of playing this game, find a job and go watch a movie, or something.WTB> -12% channeling BELT or RING pm me with link or mail me ingame HT server, ty.0 -
TehKin - Lost City wrote: »What Tremble said is entirely true. People warned PWI to not instate packs back as far as open beta because this is exactly what happened to PW-MY. You can't give top end gear out like candy in gamble packs like that. But as it stands now, -everyone- has endgame legendary gear. What wasn't supposed to be common is now the norm and it's sickening. What's the point of playing a game if there's no reward to it? There's no sense of accomplishment left in PWI anymore. You want frost weapons? Then tediously farm or buy packs until you get a force.
There is very little left to farm in this game. Hell, one pack even gave out the mats to make the HH 100 weapons which is utterly moronic on their part. Why take away what people are supposed to work for and earn and give it to them on a silver platter? When did this game become so WoWlike? The Kin keeps it installed only to log on and attempt to play but..After seeing level 100 after level 100 after level 100, The Kin remembers when hitting level 70 actually meant something..The nostalgia is depressing and The Kin just logs off with no will to play. It's sad what this game has become when it could have been so much more. Effort is required to play a game. Not extreme effort, but things shouldn't be EZ mode.
It's exactly like how some games on the Wii play themselves for you if you get stuck..What's the point? Have people become SO selfish, so arrogant that they can't even work to achieve anything themselves anymore? Sickening. /endrant.
AMEN, BROTHER Kin!
Q,Q Born remembers when being 70 was pro. Born remembers when having TT meant something, something you did with friends and faction.
Now all Born sees is farm farm farm, packs packs packs, buy buy buy, sell sell sell. Where did Born miss the boat? Born doesn't understand.
Born sees level 100 sins and psychics she knows she didn't see when she started in December...
Okay, ready?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/xyz_02/2010-06-2521-20-52.jpg
This guy, this guy here? Cash Shopped his ENTIRE arsenal.
If you could run your mouse over it, you would see +12 refined Rank gear (including the Soulsphere.) Fully Sharded, HP/Pdef, and M.Attack.
Hard work? Born doesn't think so anymore.
Born thinks those days are dead.
But will the developers listen? Born says no. They haven't listened in a year, almost two. Born complained when packs came out on her old account, long long ago. Born was very unhappy. Soon Born sees many people with the same gear she had worked for. Then people who needed her help didn't need her anymore....old friends who were weaker got stronger than Born. It's a story that's spreading, methinks. 0 -
Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »This guy, this guy here? Cash Shopped his ENTIRE arsenal.
If you could run your mouse over it, you would see +12 refined Rank gear (including the Soulsphere.) Fully Sharded, HP/Pdef, and M.Attack.
Hard work? Born doesn't think so anymore. Born thinks those days are dead.
Your saying that if there were no packs, you couldn't do that? If you say yes, then that's ignorance at best. If you say no, what then?100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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What I see here is just a bomb waiting for the right moment to activate.WTB> -12% channeling BELT or RING pm me with link or mail me ingame HT server, ty.0
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i hate the damn packs, ruined all the fun0
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sending tickets take 1 1/2 weeks w/ an automated response. Poor quality game, poor management, poor everything just in general...
Not entirely true. I sent in a ticket asking for a clarification on why my account is banned and they havent answered me. Yet my GF has sent in 3 on the same issue since then and they have answered all of hers and just tell her to tell me to log a ticket. Too bad they cant take the time to answer mine other than the original...
You are banned for TOS violation. What the hell kind of explanation is that for a ban. Seriously any moron could come up with a better explanation than that.
They just answer who they want and ignore the people they dont want to answer until they have time to come up with an even more vague response to your question instead of an actual answer.
Last time this **** happened it took 3 weeks of nonanswers for them to come back and say sorry we will unban your account. Never did get an answer than time either what I supposedly did.
Funny part is only log in to do cube every once in a while so not sure what TOS violation I could have commited. Oh well. This game sucks **** anyway.Staring at the wall is much more rewarding than playing PW.0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Firstly, yeah - packs have ruined the game. However, taking packs away now is bad, as it's too late. The in-game economy is completely reliant upon packs, the tokens, and the end-game gear. They leave for more than 3 weeks and prices go crazy all over in the server for teles, shards, as well as end-game gear, and anything else acquirable via tokens.
IDk why you keep saying how the prices of those items are crazy when the packs are gone. Did you forget what the prices for those items were back before packs? Did you get use to the relative lower price? Or were you just not here?
Back when lvl50 supply box was worth opening, the flawless I got from it sold for 800k. They are what, 250k at the most while packs are gone? Teles use to be like 20k and I've remember paying over 30k for some when I really needed. The most I've seen them go up to was 14k these days.
I won't deny that packs have dramatically changed the game, and it's true that merchanting became the main way to make money. I consider market researching and merchanting as part of the game so I don't mind.0 -
Ganden - Sanctuary wrote: »And if the GMs do lock this post, that really shows that they are hiding that packs are there biggest money makers lol..
No, it will mean you should have posted this in the main packs thread instead of starting yet another one... and I'm pretty certain the mod/GM that locks this one will tell you the same thing.Somewhat retired from PWI, now playing Hellgate Global full time0 -
Yes and no.
They're one of the things that has ruined or is ruining the game, but they aren't the only one, and I'm not even sure they were the first. I won't get into listing the other factors. I think we all mostly know what they are, even though we may disagree on one or two.
Unfortunately, it's a Pandora's Box. It's open. You can't close it now. Taking them out permanently would cause even more ruin. It's bad enough that they haven't included Heavenrage Boots or Helm of Holy Punishment in any of the recent packs. It would be even worse if you had the same problem with all of the pack related items.
I'm not sure I can offer any really constructive suggestions at this point, though I do wish they'd just own up to reality and put them in permanently. Maybe rebalancing the PvE methods for obtaining the items would help, but that would obviously cut into profits, so it's probably not a very realistic solution.0 -
Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you know how to play with the economy / merch even a non-cash shopper can have this gear. Have you seen the "10 billion" thing thread? I'm pretty sure that guy is not a cash shopper just knows to be patient and keep merching and keeping earnings to get more and more.
As for the OP, this will be closed, for sure, not because they don't like the comments, just for the simple fact that this has been posted idk how many times. . . yet people keep opening threads about it on the same exact section.
The game indeed was hurt by the packs, hwoever, as someone else said, the damage is done and there's no way back, whenever the packs / tokens leave, the prices go crazy, even for simple things as opening a TT, teleporting somewhere, getting potions, getting lvl 79 skills, all is going around these packs at the moment.
I don't really know where do people get the idea that packs are making them money, have you seen the PWE stock charts to say this?, if not here it is:
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/PWRD/tab/2
In a way it is the only way for them to make money to keep the game up, pretty much, every other single item is not being sold as much as packs are. Before fashion was the top seller item (for cash shoppers), now, everyone has what they want to have, mounts? everyone has a mount now, aero gear? everyone has one or two (and there's very few that do not have these, which are the non cash shoppers which does not affect PWE's economy much).
One thing you will need to learn is, on free to play games, cash will ALWAYS have advantage over "free" players. If you complain about this, you're complaining for nothing, they will not change this fact since "free" players basically just keep the player base up, HOWEVER, they do not contribute to the expenses for these servers / licences / development / workers / etc.
Nothing is free on this life, and if you find a free game, I just hope you really have the patience to deal with all the issues those games have, due to the lack of development / support / etc. you may find an advertisement every 5 secs on these games, and such.
If you don't want to deal with cash shoppers, move to a pay to play game, these do not have a cash shop or atleast they do not have items that affect the game play as free to play games do.
So, this being said, I do expect a lot of trolling to my comment but it is the crude reality, if you don't like it, then instead of playing this game, find a job and go watch a movie, or something.
I agree 100%(althought not w/ the 3rd person stuff) there is no such thing as a free lunch in anything really. Someone always has to pay the tab, if you want a great game where the money to fund it has to come from somewhere. Let's be honest you arent going to spend a huge amount of rl money on fashion items and small accesories. your going to spend it on weapons and items that make you OP. However i do think that the packs didnt have to have all of the items that were currently in it.
Now that the damage has been dealt, pwi just wants to contiue to roll with haveing players buy for power. "You dont have to play the game, just spend a little cash and be lvl 100 in a day!" It isnt easy to balance this game though, because it was meant for pay to play. You dont want to completley destroy the game and at the saem time you need money to pay for expansions and to pay the people at the company.
Like the guy said above as long as their is a cash shop that you can purchase items and upgrades and weapons that make you alot stronger compared to the other person. You will always have a problem with balanceing out the cash shop and the group of free players. Free to play is fun for a while until you get to the end game where someoen who has played longer simply beats you with their pocket power.0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »IDk why you keep saying how the prices of those items are crazy when the packs are gone. Did you forget what the prices for those items were back before packs? Did you get use to the relative lower price? Or were you just not here?
Back when lvl50 supply box was worth opening, the flawless I got from it sold for 800k. They are what, 250k at the most while packs are gone? Teles use to be like 20k and I've remember paying over 30k for some when I really needed. The most I've seen them go up to was 14k these days.
I won't deny that packs have dramatically changed the game, and it's true that merchanting became the main way to make money. I consider market researching and merchanting as part of the game so I don't mind.
That's the point I was trying to make. Most items have gone down ever since packs got here, even the non-pack/token items like mirages and perfect stones. Even though there is huge amount of money coming to the economy from the packs, the overall price for goods hasn't risen at all. Before you scream that gold has gone up, it went up to 400k when packs were introduced to the game, before the huge impact on economy.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Well now Duke made it even worse. -._.-"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »Your saying that if there were no packs, you couldn't do that? If you say yes, then that's ignorance at best. If you say no, what then?
When's the LAST time you've seen someone actually work for that?
Never said it was impossible, I (almost) did it on my cleric.
But let's review.....how long as the Tideborn Expansion been out? How long does it usually take someone to farm that kind of rank?
I detect an error somewhere along there...0 -
Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »When's the LAST time you've seen someone actually work for that?
Never said it was impossible, I (almost) did it on my cleric.
But let's review.....how long as the Tideborn Expansion been out? How long does it usually take someone to farm that kind of rank?
I detect an error somewhere along there...
I meant the gear, not the rank. You are correct though, buying that rank was almost impossible.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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You're a year late.b:dirty0
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