squishy archers?

Healdou - Harshlands
Healdou - Harshlands Posts: 13 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Archer
sup pplz!
i got a new archer, and its really hard to stay alive!
i noticed that if the monetsr is closer to me- the Phys DMg is getting lower..
and the thunder thing charge up slow...
and im wasting tonsss of HP.. wht should I DO? b:surrender
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Umm use either knockback arrow or run away from the mob for a bit and then atk again.
  • Healdou - Harshlands
    Healdou - Harshlands Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    what is knockback arrow?
    and i hate Hit and RUN
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Umm what level is your archer? And what stats have you been increasing?

    Knockback Arrow is a skill that pushes the target 12m away from u. Keep it at level 1 if you can learn it. HOwever you can learn this skill only at lvl19.

    Before that, you can use winged shell to reduce the damage you take from melee opponents.

    In the end if you HATE to hit and run when required, I believe you'd have to deal with losing a lot of HP or dying.
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Learn how to kite. It's an essential early archer skill.
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  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Range weapons deal half damage at melee range (closer than 5m). You learn knock back arrow at level 19, and frost arrow at level 9. Stay at maximum range, open with frost arrow, and use knockback after 2 more shots. Reactivate the blazing arrow buff between mobs if it runs out.

    The most important thing though is to read this guide:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=185611

    Its very useful, and I'd say most archers who havn't read it (even at 70+) can learn a bunch of useful info from it. Its very much worth the time to go through it once or twice.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Don't forget to use winged shell read my thread on it.
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  • Meanpie - Lost City
    Meanpie - Lost City Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I don't know why people say archers need to kite in PvE. Max your bow mastery, winged blessing, blazing arrow, and frost arrow. Start from max range and use Frost Arrow >> Normal >> Normal >> Knockback (when you reach lvl 19) Normals to finish. If you are pure dex then the mobs almost always die before they reach you. The ones that do reach you can be finished off with just 1 more attack. Archer is one of the simplest classes to PvE with and requires very little potions. Also level 1 arrows (the ones you should be using in PvE) are dirt cheap. Its way less than what other classes spend on potions.
  • Archalt - Sanctuary
    Archalt - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Archers kite?! In PWI??? ROFL! I have NEVER kited in this game. At lower lvls, it's a good idea to farm some herbs and create life powders, they really help to stay alive. More experienced players should do fine with potions only. At lvl19, you get knockback, and eventually you will be strong enough to kill mobs before they could reach you (if you have the right build and skills). Just don't be afraid to drink potions at lower lvls, you won't need many after mid lvls anyways. Archer isn't hard to keep alive, my BM died more times during her 20 lvls than my Archer during her 90... b:surrender I fail at melee fight.
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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't know why people say archers need to kite in PvE. Max your bow mastery, winged blessing, blazing arrow, and frost arrow. Start from max range and use Frost Arrow >> Normal >> Normal >> Knockback (when you reach lvl 19) Normals to finish. If you are pure dex then the mobs almost always die before they reach you. The ones that do reach you can be finished off with just 1 more attack. Archer is one of the simplest classes to PvE with and requires very little potions. Also level 1 arrows (the ones you should be using in PvE) are dirt cheap. Its way less than what other classes spend on potions.

    Pre-lvl 20 it seemed that's all I did (kiting.) Which is why I said it's an early archer skill.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    @Cyanea
    Well I doubt many people do dragon quests to know of the elite mobs. I know I did (25 days of it) to get all the silver orders needs for my bracers of blood moon and boat loads of coin :P

    And for that matter people barely grind/quest these days. They just BH,FC,RB,oracle,etc under the protection of a squad which would explain the reasoning behind not kiting.

    @Others on kiting
    Well you gotta be out of your mind as an archer to not kite when you aggro 4~5 equal levelled melee physical mobs. Your 15 sec cooldown on knockback arrow isnt gonna help either. And instead of spamming wingspan, pledge, etc...kite a bit, lose 4 mobs and then finish the 1 mob u were attacking. Thats much easier than using hp food, pots, etc.

    And please tell me you guys never kited a harpy kabal when you attacked more than 1 by mistake.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    when multiple mobs approach, you can fly up and stun one while they reset. if you ever try to grind spiders they take forever to reset if you just run.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    @Qui
    Isnt that also Kiting? b:laugh

    The point I was trying to get through was kiting is an essential skill for archers at any level and you would need to know how and when to do it. Best if people learn it at early levels.
  • Archalt - Sanctuary
    Archalt - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »
    And how many dragon quest bosses have you solo'd on your archer? Do you ever miss in the Cube? How about when you have aggro in an FB/BH instance? And, low level (like level 9 cultivation) you can avoid kiting if you use a lot of pots, if you meditate or if you do that one in a squad or wait a few levels to do it, but that does make the idea silly since all of the alternatives have disadvantages.

    I don't do DQ and I do other bosses with my faction / friends. I don't go to Cube (no time for it, I'm happy if I can do my dailies x.x). I never steal aggro in dungeons because I remove my rings and/or use lower lvl bow (and I never attack before tank). I used life powders and pots at low lvls, they worked for me. b:surrender So yeah, I never kite... I should try it one day. ^^
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  • tgtgtgtgtg
    tgtgtgtgtg Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Can someone expalin me please what does" kiting" mean?
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    It is the process to moving away from your target (which is getting close enough to hit) and then continue attacking it. This way you wouldnt get hit much.

    Archers need it because of the 50% damage penalty they suffer when the target is within 5m or basically at melee range. Hence if something gets that close, we wouldnt be able to deal a lot of damage and hence take more hits. Kiting would let us keep that distance so that we can kill it easier without taking hits.
  • tgtgtgtgtg
    tgtgtgtgtg Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Thank you for your concise and swift reply
  • Meanpie - Lost City
    Meanpie - Lost City Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pre-lvl 20 it seemed that's all I did (kiting.) Which is why I said it's an early archer skill.

    I never had to kite a single mob. Even before lvl 20 most of the mobs were dying before they reached me or only getting 1 attack. Opening with Take Aim knocks off about half of their HP at low lvls and frost arrow is learned at level 9.
    Of course I ran or flew away if I lured too many. I still do that.
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »
    I never had to kite a single mob. Even before lvl 20 most of the mobs were dying before they reached me or only getting 1 attack..

    Then you are truly special. b:laugh
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  • Archalt - Sanctuary
    Archalt - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »
    You can get aggro in instances even if you have lousy damage and never crit.

    For example, Polearm might kill your tank in wraithgate. Also, some of the bosses in FB89 and FB99 have random aggro. Some of them have random aggro in the high level TTs, also.

    Maybe that will be something for you to look forward to?

    Sure, it can happen. But when the tank is dying, I just stop killing, so the boss runs after someone else, lol. b:laugh I also run away to save myself, but that's different from kiting. Sometimes I die in dungeons, but that can happen to anyone if things go wrong. ^^ And thanks for reminding me, maybe I should TT more... been there only once, months ago. :c It was so boring.
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  • Aquilez - Sanctuary
    Aquilez - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i never needed to kite either b:victory, if i get agro i either keep it or just stand and wait barb take back


    oooooo wait, i needed to kite delta bosses b:surrender
  • Dear - Raging Tide
    Dear - Raging Tide Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I never kite on my archer, just use potions when I have to. b:cute It's not hard to stay alive if you know how to play.
    Lvling this char soon
  • Neveiah - Sanctuary
    Neveiah - Sanctuary Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    2 words....sharden armors b:victory
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  • GuinevirX - Heavens Tear
    GuinevirX - Heavens Tear Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Then you are truly special. b:laugh

    then my friend i'm special too because i never needed to kite too ...
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  • Jaufree - Sanctuary
    Jaufree - Sanctuary Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    You should make your self kill the target before they get to you
    If you cant then you gota kite which is really annoying.
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  • evilkiller12
    evilkiller12 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    what is tt?
  • Zhadi - Archosaur
    Zhadi - Archosaur Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    evilkiller12 wrote: »
    what is tt?

    If you put a dot in between the two t's it's a sad emote :D
    like this

    t.t

    :D anything else you wanna know?
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    evilkiller12 wrote: »
    what is tt?

    TT is HH, they were a same thing
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  • Zhadi - Archosaur
    Zhadi - Archosaur Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    TT is HH, they were a same thing

    your answer is boring.
    go back to BM forums pls.
  • Mooy - Heavens Tear
    Mooy - Heavens Tear Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    use take aim or frost arrow as your opening attack at low lv. Mobs usually can only hit you once if they are not health increase mobs. I will avoid those mobs because archer meant to kill enemy quick. Use knockback, deadly shot, and stun as your lv go higher. Sharpen Tooth arrow will work better at higher lv and replace deadly shot. Use deadly shot or sharpen tooth as the opening attack, then use stun. If more than one mobs is coming after you, you can try use wing shell to take damage from one mob while killing other mob, or run away. I also use claw when knockback arrow is recharging and I don't want to run away and end up a lot of mob follow me.

    some are from my experience and other are taught by my faction people, so if anything that is wrong please correct it, and it will also help me in future PvE.
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  • Ignathas - Sanctuary
    Ignathas - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »
    your answer is boring.
    go back to BM forums pls.

    lol :D are bm forums that boring O,o
    as opening i use st + knockback + stun and they are usually dead after that

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