Psychics stealing our thunder?
Reichle - Sanctuary
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I have a wiz as an alt, and it seems like the wizzies are dying out or something.
I was BHing yesterday, and there was a psychic in our party. There are like no wizzies around BH51 level anymore. My friend responded that they're psychics instead.
But I've read in the wiki guides that wizzies pay out way better after level 60. So do people pick psychics because of the faster channeling speeds and quick rewards early in the game? Because in my opinion wizzies are better. They're skills look better on screen, and they've just been around longer. I feel like wizzies are being taken for granted because of the "new" psychics.
Yeah, so do yall agree?
I was BHing yesterday, and there was a psychic in our party. There are like no wizzies around BH51 level anymore. My friend responded that they're psychics instead.
But I've read in the wiki guides that wizzies pay out way better after level 60. So do people pick psychics because of the faster channeling speeds and quick rewards early in the game? Because in my opinion wizzies are better. They're skills look better on screen, and they've just been around longer. I feel like wizzies are being taken for granted because of the "new" psychics.
Yeah, so do yall agree?
Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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wizards are a class for pros.
And there are no more pros in this game willing to start a wizard. The ones that already started one are 100 or close too.
Psy appeals more to the emo kids out-there, so no wonder everyone rolls a psy.
On top of them all, wizard is a hugely expensive class endgame and can do nothing to produce the coins needed ingame. Anni packs/Nirvana and 5hits/sec gear made the wizard the luxury class of the cash shopper. BMs, Archer, Sin's can solo TTs endgame, and regardless of some idiots are saying on the PWI forum, that's still a profitable job.
Wizard can't do any of that alone, so it's doomed from the start.
Still, if you can equip and refine an endgame wizard properly, it's probably the deadliest class in PvP because of high def and extremely high dmg/hit.____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »wizards are a class for pros.
And there are no more pros in this game willing to start a wizard. The ones that already started one are 100 or close too.
Psy appeals more to the emo kids out-there, so no wonder everyone rolls a psy.
On top of them all, wizard is a hugely expensive class endgame and can do nothing to produce the coins needed ingame. Anni packs/Nirvana and 5hits/sec gear made the wizard the luxury class of the cash shopper. BMs, Archer, Sin's can solo TTs endgame, and regardless of some idiots are saying on the PWI forum, that's still a profitable job.
Wizard can't do any of that alone, so it's doomed from the start.
Still, if you can equip and refine an endgame wizard properly, it's probably the deadliest class in PvP because of high def and extremely high dmg/hit.
Does pro mean cash shopper? And how do psys appeal to "the emo kids out there"? o.OReichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »Does pro mean cash shopper? And how do psys appeal to "the emo kids out there"? o.O
Pro as in being very skilledSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »Does pro mean cash shopper? And how do psys appeal to "the emo kids out there"? o.O
cheer up emo kid
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Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »I have a wiz as an alt, and it seems like the wizzies are dying out or something.
I was BHing yesterday, and there was a psychic in our party. There are like no wizzies around BH51 level anymore. My friend responded that they're psychics instead.
But I've read in the wiki guides that wizzies pay out way better after level 60. So do people pick psychics because of the faster channeling speeds and quick rewards early in the game? Because in my opinion wizzies are better. They're skills look better on screen, and they've just been around longer. I feel like wizzies are being taken for granted because of the "new" psychics.
Yeah, so do yall agree?
Maybe they picked psys because of:
a. They are curious and want to test the psy
b. They love tideborn and are not fond of assassins. ^^0 -
Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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Older and more experienced players know the value of an endgame wizard. New ones....not so much.
If i were a completely new player and rolled both psy and wizard up to level 30 let's say, i'd definitely pick a psy to continue with because, let's face it, psy wipes the floor with a wizard in low level PvE and this has nothing to do with skill, psy is just much easier no matter how you look at it.
By the time a new player would realize that wizards are actually a very good class they'd have to be well in their 70's if not 80's (90/95+for PvP) whereas a psy will shine much earlier. This could be a deciding factor for new players.0 -
To be honest, I've noticed a different pattern. There are few people who would invest time and effort in a wizard, pros or not. I have seen a LOT more people willing to invest into their psychics, my whole server is proof of that (hint: it's newer server, ppl spend cash more than time (i.e years), so the result gotta be worthwhile for them to keep doing it).Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »And there are no more pros in this game willing to start a wizard.
It's like, people don't know if the returns-on-investment in wizzies is gonna be worth it. b:sad
I'm pretty positive most "pro" psys on this server have other chars on others or are not "newbies" to the game, ijs.
note I was excluding the tideborn newbies that are abundant in both sins and psys. I don't care about those.0 -
most pro psys didn't have the skills to play a pro wiz.
ijs.____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »most pro psys didn't have the skills to play a pro wiz.
ijs.
...the hell are you talking about? Are there like a dozen lvl 100 fail wizards that re-rolled a psy and suddenly became good?0 -
Tideborns and Raging Tide were releashed together.. The majority of the people who wanted to try out a Fish rolled on Raging Tide.. So can't really say that the Raging Tide server is proof of a different pattern..Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »To be honest, I've noticed a different pattern. There are few people who would invest time and effort in a wizard, pros or not. I have seen a LOT more people willing to invest into their psychics, my whole server is proof of that (hint: it's newer server, ppl spend cash more than time (i.e years), so the result gotta be worthwhile for them to keep doing it).
It's like, people don't know if the returns-on-investment in wizzies is gonna be worth it. b:sad
I'm pretty positive most "pro" psys on this server have other chars on others or are not "newbies" to the game, ijs.
note I was excluding the tideborn newbies that are abundant in both sins and psys. I don't care about those.Aasimar:
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »wizards are a class for pros.
And there are no more pros in this game willing to start a wizard. The ones that already started one are 100 or close too.
Psy appeals more to the emo kids out-there, so no wonder everyone rolls a psy.
On top of them all, wizard is a hugely expensive class endgame and can do nothing to produce the coins needed ingame. Anni packs/Nirvana and 5hits/sec gear made the wizard the luxury class of the cash shopper. BMs, Archer, Sin's can solo TTs endgame, and regardless of some idiots are saying on the PWI forum, that's still a profitable job.
Wizard can't do any of that alone, so it's doomed from the start.
Still, if you can equip and refine an endgame wizard properly, it's probably the deadliest class in PvP because of high def and extremely high dmg/hit.
O.O r u saying that wizards can't be good at endgame unless they cash shop? okay, thanks, u stomped all my hopes and buried all my future achievements ^^
lol, kiddin, but seriously, i can't be good if i don't cash shop? that's REALLY sad... thank god FW is beeing released ^^0 -
b:sad Sry for being a psy not "pro" enough to roll that "pro" class that wizard is b:cry
Go ahead, this thread make me so laugh b:laugh
You are only showing your "pro" butt are worried about psy when there is not even need to.
Both class are good that s it. b:bye
PS: Hamsta you made me laugh <---(useless coment i know)0 -
Watter - Lost City wrote: »O.O r u saying that wizards can't be good at endgame unless they cash shop? okay, thanks, u stomped all my hopes and buried all my future achievements ^^
lol, kiddin, but seriously, i can't be good if i don't cash shop? that's REALLY sad... thank god FW is beeing released ^^
Wizard can be good at endgame without cash shop.
Needs a bit more patience though.Packs World International0 -
Watter - Lost City wrote: »O.O r u saying that wizards can't be good at endgame unless they cash shop? okay, thanks, u stomped all my hopes and buried all my future achievements ^^
lol, kiddin, but seriously, i can't be good if i don't cash shop? that's REALLY sad... thank god FW is beeing released ^^
and FW wouldnt change anything because its also a game of the same company.. perfect world entertainment lol..
idk if you can refine eq in fw.. but i guess that to 99% that you ll need cashshop items to succeed in pvp .. because pw entertainment want to get paid.. easy b:bye0 -
Searing - Dreamweaver wrote: »...the hell are you talking about? Are there like a dozen lvl 100 fail wizards that re-rolled a psy and suddenly became good?
what's so hard to get?
There are a lot of ppl that rolled a psy and stick with it because "I don't die that much/at all with a psy". I mean....wtf?
The good wizards I know all tried a psy and all came back to their wizard main. The ones that stayed with the fishes rolled a sin.
Psy is an easier magic class to play than wizard, for the ones that like to DD, there is no argument there.
You get my point now or you need a drawing?____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »what's so hard to get?
There are a lot of ppl that rolled a psy and stick with it because "I don't die that much/at all with a psy". I mean....wtf?
The good wizards I know all tried a psy and all came back to their wizard main. The ones that stayed with the fishes rolled a sin.
Psy is an easier magic class to play than wizard, for the ones that like to DD, there is no argument there.
You get my point now or you need a drawing?
I get what you're saying, but your 1st post made it sound like you need a genius for playing a wizard whereas any idiot is enough for psy. That's what i didn't like.
And yes, a drawing would be nice anyway.0 -
If by DD you mean DPS, psychics are better DPS-er than wizards. In my opinion, it takes more skills to play a psychic than a wizard because a psychic doesn't just rely on 1 spell (sage bids) to own...
They have a lot of buffs and debuffs and also fast casting offensive spell to compensate for their lack of damage per hit.
Sorry if facerolling a sage bids is ppro, I would rather be a n00b then.0 -
well, you actually are.
cause sage BIDS is not the answer to all problems. Yes, it hurts when it procs, but it's not a skill to rule them all.
and DPS...yeah, with voodoo on, but you need to hope nothing will touch you during that.
otherwise a Wizard will always out-dps a psy____________
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Not true Ursa, psychics will always outdps a wizard with the same refinement and weapon damage and skill levels.
Analogy, axe bm -> fist bm is like wizard -> psychic (edited, i was blind x.x)
The thing is, they have not gotten their skill upgrade from lvl 10->11 yet and you have so your perspective might be a little biased. The only way to tell is to wait for their skills to come out, get someone with the same cultivation, mastery, and skill level, weapon, weapon refine and test it out. It is very obvious at lower levels but not so much at high level.
Btw outdps, and not outdamage... wizards still have the highest damage per hit in the game0 -
PaperCutter - Dreamweaver wrote: »Not true Ursa, psychics will always outdps a wizard with the same refinement and weapon damage and skill levels.
Analogy, axe bm -> fist bm is like psychic -> wizard
The thing is, they have not gotten their skill upgrade from lvl 10->11 yet and you have so your perspective might be a little biased. The only way to tell is to wait for their skills to come out, get someone with the same cultivation, mastery, and skill level, weapon, weapon refine and test it out. It is very obvious at lower levels but not so much at high level.
Btw outdps, and not outdamage... wizards still have the highest damage per hit in the game
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what I compared were lvl 10 skills with lvl 10 skills.
And no, without white voodoo a psy cannot outdps a wizard.
I played archer, clerics and wizards endgame (wizard and cleric on PWI) and I think I have a pretty good idea how to dps and what counts when you want to do DPS. Yes, psy can do it, but with the tradeoff of being basically a oneshot to anything that moves and sneezes. Of course, there are sittuations where psy can have the advantage over wizards in DPS but it's not a constant, it's just something that can happen under the right circumstances.____________
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Its black voodoo btw.
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true, I was looking at ecatomb and I wrote for some reason "white"...____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »what I compared were lvl 10 skills with lvl 10 skills.
And no, without white voodoo a psy cannot outdps a wizard.
I played archer, clerics and wizards endgame (wizard and cleric on PWI) and I think I have a pretty good idea how to dps and what counts when you want to do DPS. Yes, psy can do it, but with the tradeoff of being basically a oneshot to anything that moves and sneezes. Of course, there are sittuations where psy can have the advantage over wizards in DPS but it's not a constant, it's just something that can happen under the right circumstances.
+11% dmg still not sure is 1shot to any class. bm lv1 axe dragon too give 5x more amplify. and still 11 def lv is around 5-6 def stone at end game (-300 hp or 400 if u use def stone with psy instead hp stone )0 -
I think we can't really say anything without putting it to the test. We need Astrelle b:cry0
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wait until private servers will get tideborns.
then u can do the math in 10 minutes.____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »well, you actually are.
cause sage BIDS is not the answer to all problems. Yes, it hurts when it procs, but it's not a skill to rule them all.
and DPS...yeah, with voodoo on, but you need to hope nothing will touch you during that.
otherwise a Wizard will always out-dps a psy
I see you follow my piece of advice and keep entertain me b:pleased
You saying it s piece of cake to play a psy but the next post you say it s damn hard to survive, like you ll get one shot if you use black voodoo. For your info, i fight only in black voodoo, never without voodoo and keep white for emergency.0 -
can u use that black voodoo when it matters? and I'm not talking about PvE mobs in 1v1. No one cares about that anymore 'cause this game is waaay pass the grinding phase. Can you survive a boss aoe that hits a full buffed arcane for 3-5k with BV on? nope. So yeah, go be superior in 1v1 PvE.
I'll keep my wizard tyvm.
If I want a dps class, I will roll a archer, bm or sin. for DPH there is only 1 class: wizard.
So basically you're telling me Psy is superior to wizard because in some circumstances it can become the 4th DPS class in the game (or 5th, behind a full mag veno with pet) and can't come even close to a wizard DPH?
Yeah, that's superior allright.
/thread. I have other things to waste my time on.____________
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