Tips on Saving for Low Level Players

SaintDominic - Sanctuary

I know these are hard economic times for all of us, but I have some tips on how to save money.

Tip #1 You have to know your "needs" and "wants". Here are my needs and wants:

Needs: skills and gear

Wants: Fashion, charms, eso, and other utility items

If this 20% decrease price on DQ is implemented, then saving should be a priority.

Tip #2 Save up all the coins you can get by doing all of your quests in low levels. You can get most of your skills maxed this way.

Tip#3 For pots, I save them for emergencies only and MEDITATE most of the time. I know this is time consuming, but it's worth it.

Tip#4 Try farming mats around the area you are grinding at. (This has proven beneficial to me.) Then sell them to catshops.

Tip#5 I know many players are in a hurry to level. If you need money, then don't do CS and BH's. I know this is hard too since there is competition.

*Remember to save up all the coins you can get. SAVE SAVE SAVE b:victory

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ever since the 20% decrease price on DQ, I've been a cautious spender on my alts.

The 20% decrease hasn't been implemented yet. It is just a possible component of the next patch.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ever since the 20% decrease price on DQ, I've been a cautious spender on my alts.

IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.


*sigh*

SaintDominic - Sanctuary

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The 20% decrease hasn't been implemented yet. It is just a possible component of the next patch.

Oh I did not know that sorry. It is just all this rant about it made me a cautious spender. b:surrender

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Skills and gear is a must, yeah. But they have to make sure they buy proper gear, especially if they are using LA or AR, LA or AR without full resistance is failed armor that belongs to the NPC. NPCs gears are even worse.

For your 3rd tip, nothing wrong with using a set of MP potions every hour. And genie skill "second wind" saves a lot of time, and gain money faster while saving money at the same time.

I keep mats I farm, and I make money only by grinding. Again, I make my own gears which might take a lot of mats, but at least I don't buy any gears, I can make my own.

Last tip I agree with 110%, I strongly don't encourage other players to do BH or CS. Leveling too fast isn't worth it.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Last tip I agree with 110%, I strongly don't encourage other players to do BH or CS. Leveling too fast isn't worth it.

Well, at 7x and up, not doing your BH is not that good idea. When you hit 70, you will need at least 4 complete BH chains to level. If you level once a week, you still have plenty of time for money making. I know because I can still make money. At 4x and 5x, you level way too fast though.

Euphy - Dreamweaver

Seriously, even after lv.70... unless you've got your complete lv.77+ legendary equipment or TT80 waiting for you, there's no reason you should be leveling as fast as you can. Sure, you will level very slowly questing/grinding, but I made a lot of coin grinding for reputation during these levels - it helped me afford my TT90 and the immaculate shards for it.

Basically... I try to have my next set of equipment ready before I focus on leveling. It's a nuisance partying with people who power leveled their way up, and are entitled to being in your bounty, frost, and twilight squads but haven't spent a minute of their time on their equipment. Yes levels are important, but equipment is equally if not more so... The slower you level the better off you'll be once you actually hit that level.

The alternative position is the the higher you are the more coin you can produce because you sell more valuable drops and materials... But not if you leveled so fast that you neglected/were-unable-to-afford your proper equipment. Find yourself a balance b:victory

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Seriously, even after lv.70... unless you've got your complete lv.77+ legendary equipment or TT80 waiting for you, there's no reason you should be leveling as fast as you can. Sure, you will level very slowly questing/grinding, but I made a lot of coin grinding for reputation during these levels - it helped me afford my TT90 and the immaculate shards for it.

Basically... I try to have my next set of equipment ready before I focus on leveling. It's a nuisance partying with people who power leveled their way up, and are entitled to being in your bounty, frost, and twilight squads but haven't spent a minute of their time on their equipment. Yes levels are important, but equipment is equally if not more so... The slower you level the better off you'll be once you actually hit that level.

The alternative position is the the higher you are the more coin you can produce because you sell more valuable drops and materials... But not if you leveled so fast that you neglected/were-unable-to-afford your proper equipment. Find yourself a balance b:victory

In fact I do have my stuff ready, just missing mats for my Misty and going to get TT80 wrists, Pirate King's Seal when I sell my TT70 plate and wrists. I have to tell you that my money didn't come from questing though; I merchanted all that.

To be honest, I think that there is currently no balance between leveling and money making. As a BM, it's not easy to get good drops from TT runs, and BH won't give me anything, except a repair bill and EXP. Questing is waste of time, since most 7x quest mobs are magical or phys/mag. Grinding can get you some money, around 200k/hour, but even then it seems hard to get everything you need. Of course, if you don't mind having 7x molds +1 and 2x average cits, along with 3* boots and wrists with some random adds, then you won't need that much money on equips. Skills are completely different thing though.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Seriously, even after lv.70... unless you've got your complete lv.77+ legendary equipment or TT80 waiting for you, there's no reason you should be leveling as fast as you can. Sure, you will level very slowly questing/grinding, but I made a lot of coin grinding for reputation during these levels - it helped me afford my TT90 and the immaculate shards for it.

Basically... I try to have my next set of equipment ready before I focus on leveling. It's a nuisance partying with people who power leveled their way up, and are entitled to being in your bounty, frost, and twilight squads but haven't spent a minute of their time on their equipment. Yes levels are important, but equipment is equally if not more so... The slower you level the better off you'll be once you actually hit that level.

The alternative position is the the higher you are the more coin you can produce because you sell more valuable drops and materials... But not if you leveled so fast that you neglected/were-unable-to-afford your proper equipment. Find yourself a balance b:victory

This, no sense leveling if you don't have the gear, but it's important to remember you can farm gear/coins faster at higher levels.



I used hypers to get to 90, simply to be able to farm coins faster and more efficently. Although around 85/86 (don't remember when I got the last piece) I had full TT90 waiting for me. Now that I'm 90 I can run TTs faster with less coins spent. Biggest advantage IMO is the OHT daily, I never realized how much I spent on perfect stones until I stopped buying them.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Seriously, even after lv.70... unless you've got your complete lv.77+ legendary equipment or TT80 waiting for you, there's no reason you should be leveling as fast as you can. Sure, you will level very slowly questing/grinding, but I made a lot of coin grinding for reputation during these levels - it helped me afford my TT90 and the immaculate shards for it.

Basically... I try to have my next set of equipment ready before I focus on leveling. It's a nuisance partying with people who power leveled their way up, and are entitled to being in your bounty, frost, and twilight squads but haven't spent a minute of their time on their equipment. Yes levels are important, but equipment is equally if not more so... The slower you level the better off you'll be once you actually hit that level.

The alternative position is the the higher you are the more coin you can produce because you sell more valuable drops and materials... But not if you leveled so fast that you neglected/were-unable-to-afford your proper equipment. Find yourself a balance b:victory

the only reason im rushing to lvl is bcuz i have to hit lvl 80 to stay in my guild
and then the guild will be full of lvl 8x players with 7x blue star gear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

b:surprised your rushing?


I'd hate to see you take your time.

Asheera - Raging Tide

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

This, no sense leveling if you don't have the gear, but it's important to remember you can farm gear/coins faster at higher levels.



I used hypers to get to 90, simply to be able to farm coins faster and more efficently. Although around 85/86 (don't remember when I got the last piece) I had full TT90 waiting for me. Now that I'm 90 I can run TTs faster with less coins spent. Biggest advantage IMO is the OHT daily, I never realized how much I spent on perfect stones until I stopped buying them.

That's cuz ur a barb and the level doesn't matter you get first pick anyway.

But for DDs to farm their 90 gear before you get 90 makes no sense, harder and you'll get less mats if higher levels are in squad.

So not worth it, which is why I'm using hypers atm to try to get to 90 and start farming my gear. Problem is can't get that many FC squads as barbs willing to go are kinda rare


btw @OP about point #3: well time = money so I'm not sure it's always better to meditate, ijs

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Skills and gear is a must, yeah. But they have to make sure they buy proper gear, especially if they are using LA or AR, LA or AR without full resistance is failed armor that belongs to the NPC

multiple armor setsb:questionb:surrender

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

That's cuz ur a barb and the level doesn't matter you get first pick anyway.

But for DDs to farm their 90 gear before you get 90 makes no sense, harder and you'll get less mats if higher levels are in squad.

So not worth it, which is why I'm using hypers atm to try to get to 90 and start farming my gear. Problem is can't get that many FC squads as barbs willing to go are kinda rare


btw @OP about point #3: well time = money so I'm not sure it's always better to meditate, ijs

Well I got mine during double drops back when everyone got decent mats.



Besides, I've done tons of runs where I've taken last pick so friends can get their gear.

And this isn't my first character, my last character I managed to get full TT90 as an archer at level 83. I honestly think DDs love just using "oh I'm a DD so I get last pick in TT" as a reason for why their gear sucks, you don't need first pick to get your gear lol. I managed to get 5 GBAs without getting first pick in 3-1 lol.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well I got mine during double drops back when everyone got decent mats.



Besides, I've done tons of runs where I've taken last pick so friends can get their gear.

And this isn't my first character, my last character I managed to get full TT90 as an archer at level 83. I honestly think DDs love just using "oh I'm a DD so I get last pick in TT" as a reason for why their gear sucks, you don't need first pick to get your gear lol. I managed to get 5 GBAs without getting first pick in 3-1 lol.

No, the problem is that the TT jip is skewed. There is no reason any1 character deserves more drops/money than the other in TT. People who say they do are either barbs, constant subbers or just plain selfish. Everyone deserves to have the same amount of mat/money from the squad. However; most people aren't blessed enough to run with squads that feel the same way.

I have a squad of 6 people we all run together every night. One of us banks, sells and then distributes all the mat money. It works very well with all of us. We even use mat money to fund our subs.

Barb can't do the run without the cleric, and the cleric can't without the barb. And both of you'd be there all damn day without DD's.

As far as making money and meditating.. I'd rather not waste all my time sitting doing nothing. I can do that without being on the internet. I'm here to play a game, if I have to sit down and meditate after every mob b/c I can't afford pots along with refines after grinding, then this game is no longer worth playing.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Like I've said, I managed to get full TT90 gear on a level 83 archer.


And TBH I would sell the mats and split the coins but there aren't many people on the server I would trust to run off with all the mats and hope that they're trustworthy.


But all day I hear "oh my gear sucks cause I don't get first pick in TT" I've done countless runs where I would choose last because someone needed their gear.



back on topic: there's no point leveling if your gear is going to suck. Some people these days don't even think gear matters. I can think of 5 people on my server right now who got to level 90, and we're like, "Ok I'm at endgame now, I'm bored what should I do?" and were running around with 7x gear and a level 80 weapon.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Like I've said, I managed to get full TT90 gear on a level 83 archer.


And TBH I would sell the mats and split the coins but there aren't many people on the server I would trust to run off with all the mats and hope that they're trustworthy.


But all day I hear "oh my gear sucks cause I don't get first pick in TT" I've done countless runs where I would choose last because someone needed their gear.



back on topic: there's no point leveling if your gear is going to suck. Some people these days don't even think gear matters. I can think of 5 people on my server right now who got to level 90, and we're like, "Ok I'm at endgame now, I'm bored what should I do?" and were running around with 7x gear and a level 80 weapon.

I wouldn't want any of those people in a squad with me. Thats like taking a lvl 60 on an FF run with you. Big deal if they are lvl 90+ if they still have lvl 70 gear they don't belong with the big boys.

I never had first pick at drops, and I stopped going with random squads. Found other ways to make money doing other things to buy gears. Then I starting finding people I trusted and earned their trust as well and the above mentioned thing works good for me.

If you truly wanna get back on topic.. the topic was ways to save money.

The best way to do that is take your time and level slowly. I've received much ridicule for this but... on my last several characters I have put exp into my genie til I had all my quests done for that level. This not only gave me more spirt to use for skills but it also gave me genies to sell for money and a lot more money than I had on any prior character.

Leveling slowly is the key!

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

I wouldn't want any of those people in a squad with me. Thats like taking a lvl 60 on an FF run with you. Big deal if they are lvl 90+ if they still have lvl 70 gear they don't belong with the big boys.

Sadly it's all to common on my server. Was mostly noticeable when I was running FC in my 8x levels. Back then +1 weapon was average, almost every DD I saw had a +1 weapon with an average shard, or worse. Something is wrong when a barb has a higher refine on his weapon than a DD, but unfotrunately if I don't run with people because their gear is terribad, then I would spend all day looking for a squad.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sadly it's all to common on my server. Was mostly noticeable when I was running FC in my 8x levels. Back then +1 weapon was average, almost every DD I saw had a +1 weapon with an average shard, or worse. Something is wrong when a barb has a higher refine on his weapon than a DD, but unfotrunately if I don't run with people because their gear is terribad, then I would spend all day looking for a squad.

Actually, unless a dd plans to tank, there really is no reason for them to have added HP other than the fact that they'd die in a heartbeat on aoe mobs LOL... half joking of course. I can understand having gears that aren't all refined to a +5.. that comes down to cost. However; its very easy to get to +2 without much trouble. Anything more than that gets a bit more costly.

But all of this goes back to being with regular people you spend time with doing things on a daily basis. I've taken a lvl 80 on an FF run with me... a friend. But it was someone I trust and know and would give anything I've got to and trust them to give it back. Fortunately for me thats the one thing I carry from this game I do not regret, the bond I've made with some very very neat awesome strangers.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Actually, unless a dd plans to tank, there really is no reason for them to have added HP other than the fact that they'd die in a heartbeat on aoe mobs LOL... half joking of course. I can understand having gears that aren't all refined to a +5.. that comes down to cost. However; its very easy to get to +2 without much trouble. Anything more than that gets a bit more costly.

I've gotten all my gear to +4 relatively cheap, getting +5 hopefully soon.


The gear I can understand, I wouldn't expect a DD to have full +5 gear, although I would expect a DD to have a decent refinement on their weapon. A +1 TT90 IMO does not cut it for a DD class.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »

*Remember to save up all the coins you can get. SAVE SAVE SAVE b:victory

Don't save coins!

Seriously, they're constantly decreasing in value due to inflation caused by the Best Luck Tokens. So the more coins you save, the more you're losing.

Instead, invest your money. For example, if you have 1 million coins, you can afford 2 Gold, which can buy you 5 Battle Pet Packs during the current 20%-off sale.

Then when you need the money back you can sell the Source of Force/Phoenix Feathers for more than you paid for them.

In fact, if you sold them right away you could easily get 5% more than you paid, but if you wait a couple of weeks you'll be able to get an extra 20%, and if you wait until Gold goes back up during the next Pack sale you'll probably get an extra 30% or so.

Invest invest invest!

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sadly it's all to common on my server. Was mostly noticeable when I was running FC in my 8x levels. Back then +1 weapon was average, almost every DD I saw had a +1 weapon with an average shard, or worse. Something is wrong when a barb has a higher refine on his weapon than a DD, but unfotrunately if I don't run with people because their gear is terribad, then I would spend all day looking for a squad.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've gotten all my gear to +4 relatively cheap, getting +5 hopefully soon.


The gear I can understand, I wouldn't expect a DD to have full +5 gear, although I would expect a DD to have a decent refinement on their weapon. A +1 TT90 IMO does not cut it for a DD class.

Lol.. no. Thats kinda what I was getting at. Its easy enough to get to a +2. Very inexpensive. A +1 is just insulting if you are lvl 90+. Some of my gears are +5 but most are +3.. my weapon however is a +6 .. I am a DD... I should be able to do massive amounts of damage.

Up until lvl 80 though most of my stuff was +2 or +3.. +4 if I got lucky and there was one selling for cheap But I will agree with you, if you are above lvl 50 and you don't have at least +1 on your weapon blah!!! If you are above 70 and no +2.. even worse!

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't save coins!

Seriously, they're constantly decreasing in value due to inflation caused by the Best Luck Tokens. So the more coins you save, the more you're losing.

Instead, invest your money. For example, if you have 1 million coins, you can afford 2 Gold, which can buy you 5 Battle Pet Packs during the current 20%-off sale.

Then when you need the money back you can sell the Source of Force/Phoenix Feathers for more than you paid for them.

In fact, if you sold them right away you could easily get 5% more than you paid, but if you wait a couple of weeks you'll be able to get an extra 20%, and if you wait until Gold goes back up during the next Pack sale you'll probably get an extra 30% or so.

Invest invest invest!

Thats a big gamble. Considering there is no guarantee they will release another pack (though I'm pretty sure they will) also a gamble because if gold continues to go down you will actually LOSE money.

Investing is good, but if wal mart stock was down 1% and kept going down.. how many people do you think would keep investing in stock? Only the rich... in hopes the stock would shoot up. And there you have it... even if you had 10 million investing it in anything right now is scary. 100 million... you can afford a loss if it came down to that. Again.. the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't save coins!

i save my coins qquite well actually, everytime i hit 100k in my inventory, i put half of that in my bank for repair/sharding fees and TT mat
not to mention.. fash >.>

Admante - Dreamweaver

Do you think that all the people who doubled, tripled, or quadrupled their net worth over the last month of tiger packs hoarded all their gold? Ignoring the people who just start out and go from 0 to 1000 coins (infinite % increase!), that was not due to purely grinding, TT, farming, etc. So how did they do it? Tiger packs (not saving).

Asheera - Raging Tide

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sadly it's all to common on my server. Was mostly noticeable when I was running FC in my 8x levels. Back then +1 weapon was average, almost every DD I saw had a +1 weapon with an average shard, or worse. Something is wrong when a barb has a higher refine on his weapon than a DD, but unfotrunately if I don't run with people because their gear is terribad, then I would spend all day looking for a squad.

Because not everyone is uber rich like you. Not everyone gets so much money from TT runs and doesn't do them that often cuz squads aren't so easily found.

Also not everyone merchants so maybe you should stop and see how it is without it.

And last thing I still blame it on the pick order. There's no way the lowest DD can get GBA since getting 6 in a run is almost if not impossible without 2x drops. And another thing I noticed is barbs are much better geared on average than DDs. There are some bad barbs true but it's like 70% have +3 or +4 or greater refines while 70% of DDs have +1 max +2. The rest of percents are exceptions and not the rule.

Note I'm talking about 8x and 9x below 95 or so, not those close to or at 100 who had time to upgrade their gear etc.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thats a big gamble. Considering there is no guarantee they will release another pack (though I'm pretty sure they will) also a gamble because if gold continues to go down you will actually LOSE money.

It's actually not much of a gamble.

Based on past experience, I'd estimate there's about an 75% chance of making money, a 15% of breaking even, and a 10% of losing some. While loses do occasionally happen, they're somewhat minor compared to all the successes.

For example, I sold all my Coral Packs for a slight loss when Tiger Packs came out 1 week after Coral left. I lost about 15k per pack, for a total loss of 15 million. However, I then earned 15 million per day selling Tiger Packs for the first 3 or 4 days of the sale, which gradually dropped off to around 5 million per day by the end of the sale.

The net profit was about 210 million during the Tiger Pack sale, just buying and selling right away.

So if it turns out I take another loss for whatever reason, I'm not really worried. Investing doesn't always work, that's true, but saving never earns a profit.

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

[double facepalm image]

i save my coins qquite well actually, everytime i hit 100k in my inventory, i put half of that in my bank for repair/sharding fees and TT mat
not to mention.. fash >.>

I need a triple face-palm or something. b:chuckle

I mean, 100k? Seriously? If those are the kinds of numbers that you aspire to work with, then yeah, I guess go ahead and "save" your coins.

Admante - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do you think that all the people who doubled, tripled, or quadrupled their net worth over the last month of tiger packs hoarded all their gold? Ignoring the people who just start out and go from 0 to 1000 coins (infinite % increase!), that was not due to purely grinding, TT, farming, etc. So how did they do it? Tiger packs (not saving).

Agreed 110%.

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Admante - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do you think that all the people who doubled, tripled, or quadrupled their net worth over the last month of tiger packs hoarded all their gold? Ignoring the people who just start out and go from 0 to 1000 coins (infinite % increase!), that was not due to purely grinding, TT, farming, etc. So how did they do it? Tiger packs (not saving).

I just wanna reinforce this in the past few weeks of pack sales, using no $/gold i managed to get revive, IH, magic shell, vanguard and enough coin to learn all of them, as well as a elite leather cape and shards for it, and ended the sale with 25mil in the bank and 10 mil in stock. I dont even think i am that pro at cat shopping.. i only have one computer so i use AH / set up when i am not at the pc

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i save my coins qquite well actually, everytime i hit 100k in my inventory, i put half of that in my bank for repair/sharding fees and TT mat
not to mention.. fash >.>

See above b:bye

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

I need a triple face-palm or something. b:chuckle
.

im on it

its like a triple, but better XD

on topic: saving is good thanks to my scheme, ive jsut hit 3m in the bank! b:victory

Telarith - Sanctuary

To keep with the intent of the OP, when you're grinding do targeted grinding. Not just off of mob type (physical, magical, wood, etc.), but also combine with drop type and rate to maximize profits from drops. Ever since the server began, people have always been looking for and paying relatively high amounts of money for rough leather. This is a lower level drop, and spending extra time grinding on mobs that drop that mat can increase cash flow over just general killing. Even shifting a level difference of a mob one lev el can change the DQ item lvl you are finding most to the higher lvl, and more expensive, one.

Might require looking in database, but that is something people should get used to doing anyways. I think everyone who first started this game could list off at least 3 websites to get info off of that were in any of the top guilds. So getting familiarity with it isn't that bad a deal.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

- 20% dq = roughly -7% total grinding profit loss asuming normal mobs and drop rates

its not that big of a deal