Why BMs only Axe

yeppers
yeppers Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Blademaster
whats with all the Axe talk. I am 50BM and i use swords and thought bout claws but haven't went that way. I have only bought anything pertaining to swords and i have been just fine. I guess i have a cleric backing me. If the only reason you use axe is cuz your only 1 acct i see it
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  • Ghost_eyes - Lost City
    Ghost_eyes - Lost City Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You are a super freak.
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  • SanosukeLee - Heavens Tear
    SanosukeLee - Heavens Tear Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well, I dunno what you mean. I use all 4 weapons as a complete Hybrid BM, and I was one of the first and highest lvl BM's on HT last year around january before I quit. Many people also use fists and spears, etc.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    because 99% of bm's are idiots

    and people dont ever notice when a DD fails so they continue to be idiots without a reason to improve and since 99% of higher lvls are idiots the availibility of good advice in game is nearly nill
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Why axe BMs are so common?

    1) Axes look cool
    2) Most people have axes
    3) Some instances are based on the assumption that the BM has axe skills
    4) Great AoEs for AoE grinding

    Those are the most important ones.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Because a long time ago, a blademaster with some knowledge of the class made a guide. This was a very crappy guide, because it tried explaining all four paths, when the writer had no clue about two of them. Because of this, and other clueless people constantly pointing out how smart this writer was, everyone coming to the forum for build advice would follow the guide and roll as an axe BM. This was a time of darkness and ignorance, and the effects are still seen today in both the amount of axe BMs, and the excuse of 'before packs fists weren't any good'. The excuse is usually to make up for their inability to admit their ignorance, and subsequent copying of the few intellectuals on the forum.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Because a long time ago, a blademaster with some knowledge of the class made a guide. This was a very crappy guide, because it tried explaining all four paths, when the writer had no clue about two of them. Because of this, and other clueless people constantly pointing out how smart this writer was, everyone coming to the forum for build advice would follow the guide and roll as an axe BM. This was a time of darkness and ignorance, and the effects are still seen today in both the amount of axe BMs, and the excuse of 'before packs fists weren't any good'. The excuse is usually to make up for their inability to admit their ignorance, and subsequent copying of the few intellectuals on the forum.

    Wow I have no idea which guide this is, but I do have an idea. I think even if that guide was never written, still the majority of BMs would have axes. Btw, what were those two paths the writer had no idea about?

    Offtopic: Why is your avatar still 77? I thought you were much higher already.
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    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear
    SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ideally, a blademaster is meant to take advantage of all four weapon paths. Each weapon has a particular situation in which it is most useful. With that being said, I personally recommend going at least 2 of the 4 paths: Axe/Hammer and any 1 other. No other weapon can beat axe/hammer when it comes to to sheer AoE destruction. On the other hand, axe/hammer will not reach the DPS of other weapons on single mobs (i.e. bosses).
    This is of course assuming the same level/refine ranges on said weapons.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wow I have no idea which guide this is, but I do have an idea. I think even if that guide was never written, still the majority of BMs would have axes. Btw, what were those two paths the writer had no idea about?

    Offtopic: Why is your avatar still 77? I thought you were much higher already.

    You can read the replies in the stickied part, as only the guide got edited out after being revealed as flat out wrong. All the back and forth comments that followed, are still there and make it obvious. Good for a laugh to read through at any rate.

    My avatar has been messed up for around 9 months I think, been lvl 100 for around 2-3 months already. I don't worry about it much, gonna be stuck like that forever in all likelihood.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wow I have no idea which guide this is, but I do have an idea. I think even if that guide was never written, still the majority of BMs would have axes. Btw, what were those two paths the writer had no idea about?

    Offtopic: Why is your avatar still 77? I thought you were much higher already.

    Very obvious he is talking about Lyndura's guide and I agree. However, I cant blame Lyndura only as in certain aspects he/she was right but at the same time any guide made for fists or sword never get stickies here. So, I can point a finger to PWI on that.

    The other thing is that the game itself is so biased towards axes that in many instances like Rebirth*, FCC*, ect*. if you dont have decent axes and good leveled axes skills, people dont accept you on squad.


    *The entire BM role for good of for worst is based/defined on Heavens flames and the other AOE skills from axes. Funny though when they modified FCC (almost a year after Lyndura's guide came out). Still, the players made the strategy to run FCC based on the BM using axes. Again, you cant blame the players on doing an strategy like that since, most BMs were using axes and probably is anyways the most efficient thing to do.

    Axes is the only weapon that I dont like in the BM tree but I have to use it to meet my role on squad or certain solo situations while grinding.


    edit:

    what is missing here too, some guide(s) in how to run FCC, Rebirth, ect based on the other 3 weapons. Still, non-bm players might not even be interested in knowing.
  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I have a bm at 62 and plan to use all 4 mostly axe/fist but my weapon of choice is fist and thats all beside the point.

    I was in a bh39 on an alt yesterday and there was a sword bm with us as tank. he said he only uses swords. I simply said that later he will want to get some axes. He said **** axes they require too much strength I actually like to hit stuff I will never use axes.

    this is not a flame It is just a question. why do some bms swear by ONLY swords is it because its kinda the most balanced weapon?
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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    this is not a flame It is just a question. why do some bms swear by ONLY swords is it because its kinda the most balanced weapon?

    They just don't know better. It'll change.
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My avatar has been messed up for around 9 months I think, been lvl 100 for around 2-3 months already. I don't worry about it much, gonna be stuck like that forever in all likelihood.
    There might be a way to fix it, but let's just keep it that way since we are all use to it.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have a bm at 62 and plan to use all 4 mostly axe/fist but my weapon of choice is fist and thats all beside the point.

    I was in a bh39 on an alt yesterday and there was a sword bm with us as tank. he said he only uses swords. I simply said that later he will want to get some axes. He said **** axes they require too much strength I actually like to hit stuff I will never use axes.

    this is not a flame It is just a question. why do some bms swear by ONLY swords is it because its kinda the most balanced weapon?

    When I started to play BM, I read all guides and check all skills. After all review, I noticed that sword had a bit every other weapon like:

    -range
    -knockback
    -good damage
    -AOE
    -skill for single enemies
    -Good normal attack DPS
    -Debuff

    If I had made my investigation better I would have picked fists from day 1 and after I would have added axes (just to meet role), later sword and finally poleblade, but I was mislead by comment made by Lyndura saying something like: "I dont consider fists is even a weapon"

    I used sword almost up to level 50 (no oracles, BH in those days) and I had fun with it.

    but then I noticed, knockback does not work on PVP, Myriad debuff is not that good on PVP, mage bane is not that great, ect. and I fall in love with fists thanks to shadowless kick.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    yeppers wrote: »
    whats with all the Axe talk. I am 50BM and i use swords and thought bout claws but haven't went that way. I have only bought anything pertaining to swords and i have been just fine. I guess i have a cleric backing me. If the only reason you use axe is cuz your only 1 acct i see it
    Congrats on your worthless character



    then again it might be a troll
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Congrats on your worthless character



    then again it might be a troll

    It really doesn't matter at level 50 what weapon you use.
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    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter at level 50 what weapon you use.

    Actually it kinda does. Spirit for leveling skills is really a big issue until you hit 8x-9x and if and when you need to move to axes, you'll be pretty gimped when you find out that you need to invest in your AoEs.

    Compared to most of the other BMs of my level as I was leveling up, it was pretty obvious who actually leveled up their skills and who didn't.

    Oh well, your choices to make but early on either pole or axes will do you better than swords... and against what a lot of people advocating here, fists aren't all that great until you max out your masteries and can afford a piece of interval gear or two and do a bit of refining and axes are pretty useful in most squad situations until you get higher level. .
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  • FateBlade - Lost City
    FateBlade - Lost City Posts: 519 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That's why I'm using axes only in GV. No fun when everyone with same weapons. Anyway... Most BMs are with GX/CV Claws/Zerk sword/CV Poleblade.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Congrats on your worthless character



    The worth of a character is determined by the owner, if he is disastified with it. He can always reset it of make a new one (actually he can make as many as he wants).
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The worth of a character is determined by the owner, if he is disastified with it. He can always reset it of make a new one (actually he can make as many as he wants).
    ...or he can raise a failure thinking he's pro and reach 100. pretty much what happens mostly.
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  • Runemine - Dreamweaver
    Runemine - Dreamweaver Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This is most simple answer makes level fast till like level 89 that when most switch to fists

    Axes provide many Aoe so can Gamma for 1.4mil Exp on Axe BMs can do Gamma Fyi in future

    Heavens Flame Boosts Damage Like 2x Depending level of skill

    They may be slowest Weapon but good damage

    Plus we are BM we can use EVERY weapon (except mag if do it you stupid) we can even use bows

    Meaning can be Sword as you are but have Axe secondary always a good idea

    I am using this information as a 74 Axe/Pole BM will be 89 in 2 Weeks Due to my Axes =P

    One more thing EVERY BM level 95+ will use Axes even if fits main cause still do huge damage and Aoe FTW
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    100 Seeker(The Vortex Beast)
    86 Assassin(Solo king)
    76 Archer(Squishy Nuker)
    72 Cleric(Horrible healer)
    67 Barb(Buff baby)
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The worth of a character is determined by the owner, if he is disastified with it. He can always reset it of make a new one (actually he can make as many as he wants).
    Even a cash shopping friend of mine with +8 hh90 swords was relatively easy to fight. I pvp'd with him a lot during 7x-9x and he always had +5 gear etc when mine was +2-3 till 90.


    Guess what happened when he was finally convinced to ditch his hh90/lunar swords and got GX/hh100 fists? He's a better BM than most people around and he even cash shopped more than most. Will never make up for the fact that swords are horribly worthless weapons. The only use they have is MSS, which is used only in pve and only rarely.


    And for the record, to all those idiots that think MSS hits hard... when I was self+cleric buffed on my wizard that same friend with +4 lunar swords hit me for 1.2k with Lv11 demon MSS. Gtfo.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

    And for the record, to all those idiots that think MSS hits hard... when I was self+cleric buffed on my wizard that same friend with +4 lunar swords hit me for 1.2k with Lv11 demon MSS. Gtfo.

    Was that BM even buffed? Thats the first thing.

    Second, how much HP you got really? Post realistic build please?

    Third, did he debuff you to begin with?

    Fouth, so your saying BMs that massively debuff you just to one shot you is good? Because poles and axes does debuff... so... yeah. BS much I use 3 weapons, although I prefer fists because of auto attacking, its really nice to have swords, I keep buying skill after skill.
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

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  • MrBladey - Lost City
    MrBladey - Lost City Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Was that BM even buffed? Thats the first thing.

    Second, how much HP you got really? Post realistic build please?

    Third, did he debuff you to begin with?

    Fouth, so your saying BMs that massively debuff you just to one shot you is good? Because poles and axes does debuff... so... yeah. BS much I use 3 weapons

    Dude I really think you should spend a little more time playing the game instead of posting on the forums. It just might do you something good...
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    MrBladey - Lost City wrote: »
    Dude I really think you should spend a little more time playing the game instead of posting on the forums. It just might do you something good...

    I wish I could lol, not that much playtime b:cry
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Was that BM even buffed? Thats the first thing.

    Buffed? Err Barb dmg buff? Idk what others would matter...
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Was that BM even buffed? Thats the first thing.

    Second, how much HP you got really? Post realistic build please?

    Third, did he debuff you to begin with?

    Fouth, so your saying BMs that massively debuff you just to one shot you is good? Because poles and axes does debuff... so... yeah. BS much I use 3 weapons, although I prefer fists because of auto attacking, its really nice to have swords, I keep buying skill after skill.
    That BM was self buffed... otherwise I would've mentioned it.

    What does my HP have to do with anything?

    How would he debuff me? Genie skills? No, ofcourse not, otherwise I could've countered with windshield and lowered damage taken by 27%.

    No idea wtf you're on about, and okay, nobody cares what you do, swords are f'ing useless.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Guess what happened when he was finally convinced to ditch his hh90/lunar swords and got GX/hh100 fists? He's a better BM than most people around and he even cash shopped more than most. Will never make up for the fact that swords are horribly worthless weapons. The only use they have is MSS, which is used only in pve and only rarely.

    Kurt? Sounds like him anyway, but yeah, he's beast.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Kurt? Sounds like him anyway, but yeah, he's beast.
    Yeah it's him, we used to party up and go PKing or just picking fights with 2-6 people while we were in RageQuit etc. It's thanks to him that I know how to fight BMs properly, since he's pretty much used every weapon and I've dueled him hundreds of times.


    But yeah after being sword from 1-96 or something he finally switched weapon and he never touched his swords again when he got GX + zerk fists.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • FateBlade - Lost City
    FateBlade - Lost City Posts: 519 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    So, sword BM = BM with pataka? b:puzzled
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    FateBlade - Lost City wrote: »
    So, sword BM = BM with pataka? b:puzzled

    victory funny as hell
    b:laughb:chuckle
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The reason is the axe BM do better aoe damage possibly so with poleaxe and blade.don't quote me on this.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.

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