Wizards Defeated?

SurferGirl - Dreamweaver

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Yes, you will die in 1 hit. Ever been hit by an assassin with +12 nirvana daggers with zerk? And hey back then there wasn't even any triple spark.


And heavy armor wizards don't exist endgame. Nobody bothers.


Yes, they can bypass your charm easily. And no, there is no apots that make sins go out of stealth. There's pots which give 20 detection level. Meaning you can't see the ones that are 92+, because they have 122 stealth.


And lol who cares about barbs? You can't oneshot a good cleric either.

there isnt a sin in dreamwaver that can 1 shot me not even one with +10 nirvana and as soon as he pop out of stealth and deal the first hit i can expel him till his spark is over. pop a anti stun apots and run around till the spark is fully over and just use another expel and kill him i have almost 200 energy on genie i can use 2 expels if i wait abit


keep in mind i always talk about dw cuz idc what goes in other servers thos servers has nothing to do with me

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

When I was lvl8x and fought a psychic I thought myself "psychics r reallly an op class and they can go shoulder to shoulder with wiz in power", but now having fought lvl100 psychics with good gears several times I can tell you that they arent as dangerous as a wizard, perhaps in duel b:laugh

And you are right. But keep in mind you have lvl11 spells (sage/demon, not even talking about the effects, just damage upgrade), they don't yet.

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

P.S. I want to add that you wont always have pots out of cooldown or genies to use whenever a wizard uses a skill and sutra can make wizards throw a ultimate skill so fast that u cant even react in time lol

And we won't always have 299/399 chi to begin a good combo either. If anything we're one of the slowest chi building classes, but then again it's not like we are also the slowest in channeling. b:sad

Paimage - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

And you are right. But keep in mind you have lvl11 spells (sage/demon, not even talking about the effects, just damage upgrade), they don't yet.

And we won't always have 299/399 chi to begin a good combo either. If anything we're one of the slowest chi building classes, but then again it's not like we are also the slowest in channeling. b:sad

I have at least 2 sparks 90% of the times thanks to master li tech(sage chi skill) and sage pyrogram that give me alot of chi and help me build chi faster then normal, but in my point of view wizards are a class that is deadly when you know how to play it right and its one of the worst if you suck at it.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

yeah, that's pretty much it.
there is no middle ground with wizards.
You either play them well and do a good job or fail. Nothing in between.

Kristoph - Lost City

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, that's pretty much it.
there is no middle ground with wizards.
You either play them well and do a good job or fail. Nothing in between.

Uh there is... some of them know how to kill things but have no idea how to survive and just run. On my server majority of the wizards in the guild called spectral can 1v1 decently with buffs, but without them they can't 'cause they just die.

brownflamer

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, that's pretty much it.
there is no middle ground with wizards.
You either play them well and do a good job or fail. Nothing in between.

I quit...where does that place me b:surrender

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

I have at least 2 sparks 90% of the times thanks to master li tech(sage chi skill) and sage pyrogram that give me alot of chi and help me build chi faster then normal, but in my point of view wizards are a class that is deadly when you know how to play it right and its one of the worst if you suck at it.

The problem is that for most of our combos we need spark pots or genie skills -- in which case, the opponent can use genie skills or pots that give them damage reduction, or whatever else.

Kristoph - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

The problem is that for most of our combos we need spark pots or genie skills -- in which case, the opponent can use genie skills or pots that give them damage reduction, or whatever else.

depends, really. There's always going to be terrible mages running around with only absolute domain on their genie for example. The result? You sleep them and drop blade tempest. If they decide to use domain you run around for two mins and then oneshot them anyway.


There's plenty of ways to kill people in a way where they won't see it coming, or where it's nothing but a gamble, for example sandstorming something when it's at 60-70% HP. Nobody's going to use a genie skill or pvp pot everytime you do that. But you will eventually crit. And so on, think of your own ways as you get more experience.


Also, people will never spam pots/genie skills based off of what you do alone, because it means they won't have anything to kill you either. Anyone can be immortal in 1v1 pvp if you do nothing but kiting while countering whatever they do. But you'd never kill the other either, assuming same kind of gear/level/etc.

Lyzzern - Lost City

Sins are pretty deadly to me But if they don't oneshot me while stealthing I'll just seal+undine+sleep+nuke oneshot them, just like an archer.

Quetzala - Dreamweaver

although would help if you actually have those skills first

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Not to mention you can't even 1-shot them while Deaden Nerves is on.

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not to mention you can't even 1-shot them while Deaden Nerves is on.

I love this skill. Allows one-shotting assassin twice in single fight =P

brownflamer

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

I love this skill. Allows one-shotting assassin twice in single fight =P

I wish I was as optimistic as you b:sad

DivineRoar - Archosaur

lolb:laugh look at all the 9x wizards talking about how they can beat sins with no trouble and 1 shot barbs b:laugh .defeating a class without his 79 and demon/sage skills and bragging about it shows how pathetic you are defeat a sin without 79 and demon/sage skills then come bragging about it .i really wish i could see the look on your face when assassins 79 and more importantly demon/sage skills comes out .lol they will own you on every fight b:chuckle

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

DivineRoar - Archosaur wrote: »

lolb:laugh look at all the 9x wizards talking about how they can beat sins with no trouble and 1 shot barbs b:laugh .defeating a class without his 79 and demon/sage skills and bragging about it shows how pathetic you are defeat a sin without 79 and demon/sage skills then come bragging about it .i really wish i could see the look on your face when assassins 79 and more importantly demon/sage skills comes out .lol they will own you on every fight b:chuckle

yea and then psys will 1 shot barbs as wellb:bye

brownflamer

DivineRoar - Archosaur wrote: »

lolb:laugh look at all the 9x wizards talking about how they can beat sins with no trouble and 1 shot barbs b:laugh .defeating a class without his 79 and demon/sage skills and bragging about it shows how pathetic you are defeat a sin without 79 and demon/sage skills then come bragging about it .i really wish i could see the look on your face when assassins 79 and more importantly demon/sage skills comes out .lol they will own you on every fight b:chuckle

that's why I am planning on becoming a wizard GM....I will ban-shot everyone b:laugh

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

DivineRoar - Archosaur wrote: »

lolb:laugh look at all the 9x wizards talking about how they can beat sins with no trouble and 1 shot barbs b:laugh .defeating a class without his 79 and demon/sage skills and bragging about it shows how pathetic you are defeat a sin without 79 and demon/sage skills then come bragging about it .i really wish i could see the look on your face when assassins 79 and more importantly demon/sage skills comes out .lol they will own you on every fight b:chuckle

Only skills I use vs assassins:
- Absolute Domain (to survive worst few first seconds of attack)
- Force of Will (to interrupt them)
- Will of Phoenix, Stone Rain, Gush & Pyrogram spam (to kill)

So no 79 skills used
These are enough to kill assassins around my level, and I'm not even pro PvPer.

And I've heard that with Sage/Demon skills for assassin there will come fix making them lose invisiblity once they spark.
So yeah, I can't wait for that patch too b:chuckle

Borsuc - Raging Tide

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Only skills I use vs assassins:
- Absolute Domain (to survive worst few first seconds of attack)

That will work ONCE, you seriously think any good sin will just use all his stun attacks the next time if he sees you AD again? They are not mobs. b:surrender

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

That will work ONCE, you seriously think any good sin will just use all his stun attacks the next time if he sees you AD again? They are not mobs. b:surrender

What else can assassin do? They really don't have any other tactic than sparking when invisible and trying to kill enemy before spark ends.


Assassins are way less dangerous than nix venos. We learned how to live with nixes though so why all the b:sad about assassins? o.O

Borsuc - Raging Tide

They have stuns, silence, immobilizations, crit boost, can evade all damage, can put you to sleep, can make you take 30% more damage, and do all these skills (some of which require chi!) while sparking because they have massive chi gaining skills. And have higher DPS overall than mages.

I'm only saying, a real challenge to fight with. b:chuckle

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

They have stuns, silence, immobilizations, crit boost, can evade all damage, can put you to sleep, can make you take 30% more damage, and do all these skills (some of which require chi!) while sparking because they have massive chi gaining skills. And have higher DPS overall than mages.

I'm only saying, a real challenge to fight with. b:chuckle

Assassins are great for pk but what is their role in TW? So far I haven't seen anyone really give them a role they especially good at. Killing clerics I'd rather have a veno+nix and archers. For stunning I'd rather have a BM since at least aoes like HF and roar of pride are a very helpful and likely possibility. Even Psychics have a role in TW keeping the cat barbs charms ticking faster.

Edit - deleted part of my post cause I posted in the wrong thread -.-

brownflamer

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Assassins are great for pk but what is their role in TW? So far I haven't seen anyone really give them a role they especially good at. Killing clerics I'd rather have a veno+nix and archers. For stunning I'd rather have a BM since at least aoes like HF and roar of pride are a very helpful and likely possibility. Even Psychics have a role in TW keeping the cat barbs charms ticking faster.

Edit - deleted part of my post cause I posted in the wrong thread -.-

I still can't believe that some random new class.....got the cake for PK b:sad

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

They have stuns, silence, immobilizations, crit boost, can evade all damage, can put you to sleep, can make you take 30% more damage, and do all these skills (some of which require chi!) while sparking because they have massive chi gaining skills. And have higher DPS overall than mages.

I'm only saying, a real challenge to fight with. b:chuckle

Does that make them good PvP class? Yes.
Does that make them ultimate TW class? Hell no.

Vivio made a good point. Assassins are efficient 1vs1 killers but Wizards and Archers still rule in AoE depertment

brownflamer

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Does that make them good PvP class? Yes.
Does that make them ultimate TW class? Hell no.

Vivio made a good point. Assassins are efficient 1vs1 killers but Wizards and Archers still rule in AoE depertment

and group PK

kenlee

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Assassins are way less dangerous than nix venos. We learned how to live with nixes though so why all the b:sad about assassins? o.O

i tought wiz fear more the purge skill and chi slithly going down than nix itself

Borsuc - Raging Tide

brownflamer wrote: »

and group PK

Not much we can do since we, like clerics, are first targets, and assassins can stun us from further away than our spells can reach (they can do it as far as an archer actually), even without stealth. Even if we don't die to the sins (let's ASSUME someone from our squad hits them or something), we will certainly miss the AOE opportunity while stunned --> worthless.

With a 5+ cast time for our AOE skills, really, they don't even need good reflexes. Unless we use spark pot and Sutra along (but then again have to be freaking fast)... but that only works against players who are terribly slow at reflexes. There's a delay between gaining chi and able to use a 2 spark skill, since Sutra eats 2 sparks.

We are like, the very slow guys who have to be protected. Works well in PVE but ppl aren't mobs who use "aggro" mechanics. b:surrender

brownflamer

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not much we can do since we, like clerics, are first targets, and assassins can stun us from further away than our spells can reach (they can do it as far as an archer actually), even without stealth. Even if we don't die to the sins (let's ASSUME someone from our squad hits them or something), we will certainly miss the AOE opportunity while stunned --> worthless.

With a 5+ cast time for our AOE skills, really, they don't even need good reflexes. Unless we use spark pot and Sutra along (but then again have to be freaking fast)... but that only works against players who are terribly slow at reflexes. There's a delay between gaining chi and able to use a 2 spark skill, since Sutra eats 2 sparks.

We are like, the very slow guys who have to be protected. Works well in PVE but ppl aren't mobs who use "aggro" mechanics. b:surrender

Wizards don't suck b:infuriated

Helbear - Heavens Tear

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not much we can do since we, like clerics, are first targets, and assassins can stun us from further away than our spells can reach (they can do it as far as an archer actually), even without stealth. Even if we don't die to the sins (let's ASSUME someone from our squad hits them or something), we will certainly miss the AOE opportunity while stunned --> worthless.

With a 5+ cast time for our AOE skills, really, they don't even need good reflexes. Unless we use spark pot and Sutra along (but then again have to be freaking fast)... but that only works against players who are terribly slow at reflexes. There's a delay between gaining chi and able to use a 2 spark skill, since Sutra eats 2 sparks.

We are like, the very slow guys who have to be protected. Works well in PVE but ppl aren't mobs who use "aggro" mechanics. b:surrender

Really, if you think wizards are that bad just dont play one. Same for everyone who thinks wizards are playing second to psy as a DD. I get on just fine as a wizard, I find FF squads daily with people who ask for a wizard not a psy.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

I like wizards, the concept that is... I really don't care much in games (when I choose a char) how good it is at "owning" people or monsters/bosses. One of the reasons that I actually am annoyed by people who want to make a new char and ask "what's the best class?". b:chuckle (since apparently they choose their class based on being "the best", whatever that means, not preference of the class itself)

One of the reasons I find the suggestion "reroll" for 'balancing' (in general obviously, like in other threads here) inappropriate.

That doesn't mean though I don't find out shortcomings.

Helbear - Heavens Tear

I am the same way. At the very start of this games release there wasnt many wizards around so that appealed to me because I like to be different. There were no fist BMs around so I made a fist BM too. You cant ask people what the best class is because everyone has a different opinion which then puts you right back to the start of not knowing what to choose.