Leviathan Meltdown?

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  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I think its pretty pointless to debate with someone who keeps insisting that his/her self proclaimed view of " more than 1 = trend " is always right.

    Military goes by this logic, most corporations go by this logic, and I am fairly sure your boss at McDonalds goes by this logic.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ur point has already been cleared a few pages before. Don't tell any1 it's about "setting their own prices", cuz nobody on any server would buy a perfect - token of luck for 4m+.
    Trying to use the excuse "I didn't say that it's a best luck" is just a fail attempt of trying to be smart and avoiding the allegation to be a scammer.

    Ofcourse nobody would buy it, That's the funny thing, yet people cry about it in this thread.
    You should look up what scam means. This "scam" doesn't involve deceat.

    Do u rly think ppl have to act mature towards u, when u come up with such a stupid argument like that?
    Teles 30k+ are teles of value compared to the actual gold price. Altough no one is buying them overpriced cuz they have a unique icon and their costs are about 11k atm. Same goes for armor, when u look at an piece of armor u obviously look at it's stats, if they are useless, why would u buy it?

    Obviously, those were just examples. I cuold grab a random TT mat and try to sell it for 20m. So according to you, that would be a scam.

    Selling tokens for 4m+ (compared to ur example of teles: 11k->30k, there is a slight difference in ~12-13k->4m, don't u think so?) can't be considered as making ur own prices, when it's price is a bit cheaper than the average best luck. So it's basically trying to make ppl buying them fast cuz they should think they can make 500k-1m via buying an selling/buying another token for a 10m-bank note. It doesn't happen that often, but players who aren't used to such ppl don't look twice when they see a token for that price.

    So it's a scam, because idiots don't look at what they buy? Guess I should go to the local supermarket, buy a chicken, then later tell them they scammed me because I wanted to buy a car.
    And that's the difference, I'm sure u are aware of that cuz u are just some scammers alt, or why would u try to defend that kind of making money?

    Ofcourse, I don't agree with you so I scam! Or maybe I'm just not stupid enough to "fall" for it and laugh at the ones who do and then cry about it on the forums instead of crawling into their tiny little holes and cry there. But that isn't possible, now is it?
    Even if we would assume ppl just try to make their own prices, to quote myself:



    Response:



    At least ppl who are admitting that it wasn't an attempt to make their "own prices", should be proof enough.

    Post with ur main or stop using ur hands for typing and grab ur balls, to ensure they are still there.

    This is my main, not everyone oracles their way to 90 before posting oh great and mighty CSer.
    As for balls, no thanks.

    PS: Yes I type with my fingers, curious what you are using.
  • FapFapFap - Raging Tide
    FapFapFap - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    D'oh. Best luck and luck tokens have a different icon. There's nothing advertised in the shop title. Which means the customer doesn't get deceived with false information.
    Just because you have a price in your head, doesn't mean every single shop has that price.

    Obviously you're the one that's ****, since you fail to see this. And goes directly for insults because you can't participate in a grown-ups argument.

    BAWWW u dun agree with me, so ur mently challenged n a scammer!

    Seriously, grow the **** up.

    Only a slight difference, which could be easily overseen by ppl who aren't used to trade with best lucks (or haven't obtained one yet).
    I don't know whose head it would be, where a price of an item which is commonly 12-13k would get a increase of 40000%.

    Don't u think that u are the **** one, when no one here is agreeing with u?
    It's nice for u that u "found" a way of making money without putting any effort in it except opening a catshop.
    Ur argument is neither grown-up, nor is it according to the rules of logic. If u want to deny that, go ahead and try to explain. Otherwise shut the **** up, at least motoko could grow up, if he would need to (I don't agree) but u who are trying to act like a grown-up are simply dumb, so it will be a lot more complicated to compensate the lack of common understanding.
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  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Only a slight difference, which could be easily overseen by ppl who aren't used to trade with best lucks (or haven't obtained one yet).
    I don't know whose head it would be, where a price of an item which is commonly 12-13k would get a increase of 40000%.

    Don't u think that u are the **** one, when no one here is agreeing with u?
    It's nice for u that u "found" a way of making money without putting any effort in it except opening a catshop.
    Ur argument is neither grown-up, nor is it according to the rules of logic. If u want to deny that, go ahead and try to explain. Otherwise shut the **** up, at least motoko could grow up, if he would need to (I don't agree) but u who are trying to act like a grown-up are simply dumb, so it will be a lot more complicated to compensate the lack of common understanding.

    I'm not even going to reply to this, since you were too dumb to press the F5 key.
  • Wolfyyy - Raging Tide
    Wolfyyy - Raging Tide Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Military goes by this logic, most corporations go by this logic, and I am fairly sure your boss at McDonalds goes by this logic.

    So that makes Steven Wonder of the 1970s who sold only 7 albums a trend to the mass.

    And if the military plans operation by trend, their troops will die in an ambush of predicted moves.

    If corporations plays by trend, they will never excel better than their counterparts.
  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Guess I should go to the local supermarket, buy a chicken, then later tell them they scammed me because I wanted to buy a car.

    This sounds like fun actaully. Fuzzy gonna try it in the morning. b:pleased
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  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So that makes Steven Wonder of the 1970s who sold only 7 albums a trend to the mass.

    He sold more than one album, he had an album selling trend. I never stated that all trends were good or spectacular. A trend is something that is likely to happen, in your example, he was likely to sell one album a month or something slow paced like that.

    In my example with Leviathan... with a leader, an officer (alleged I guess), and two normal members doing it... it is likely that there are more.
  • Motoko - Raging Tide
    Motoko - Raging Tide Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fap stop agreeing with me, or I might get kicked from the inner-circle. (cwutIdiddere?)
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  • FapFapFap - Raging Tide
    FapFapFap - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ofcourse nobody would buy it, That's the funny thing, yet people cry about it in this thread.
    You should look up what scam means. This "scam" doesn't involve deceat.
    Don't play dumb, every1 here knows what scam is, and it's the purpose behind it, not the number which is displayed as the price of an item.
    Obviously, those were just examples. I cuold grab a random TT mat and try to sell it for 20m. So according to you, that would be a scam.
    U still don't get it. PPL who sell tokens of luck for 4m+ try to sell them as best lucks to some unaware players.
    Whoever sells TT mats for 20m won't be lucky, cuz no one would think about makin profit with buying it. That's no scamming, that's just wasting time to sell an item no one buys.




    So it's a scam, because idiots don't look at what they buy? Guess I should go to the local supermarket, buy a chicken, then later tell them they scammed me because I wanted to buy a car.
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    I don't know where u r from, but normally chickens are not as large as cars nor do the look alike in any way. Get some rational examples first, then try to use them as an senseless argument.

    Ofcourse, I don't agree with you so I scam! Or maybe I'm just not stupid enough to "fall" for it and laugh at the ones who do and then cry about it on the forums instead of crawling into their tiny little holes and cry there. But that isn't possible, now is it?
    I don't think anyone who is active on the forums here, isn't aware of a possible scam by such people. The ones scammers are aiming for are unaware/unexperienced ppl.
    Why are u that persistent and search for arguments for scamming then? Maybe u should let those ppl who fall for it crawl in their tiny little holes and leave them alone, instead of coming up with a lot of different "arguments" which are similar in their logic (absurd) on the forums being the only 1 who is thinking that way. Yeah we all are fools for not trying to earn money in a sneaky way.
    If u wanna think that do it and be happy with it, no one cares abour ur bad character traits as long as u don't try to make out that it's not ur fault for using ppls credulity.

    This is my main, not everyone oracles their way to 90 before posting oh great and mighty CSer.
    As for balls, no thanks.

    Oh, cuz of that u posted about the history of aurora n stuff, but every1 who joined in march knows that.
    Think a bit before u try to use some cheap lies for ur own benefit.
    Yeah, cuz there is no way to reach even 100, since this server is only a few days old.
    Ur point is?..
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  • FapFapFap - Raging Tide
    FapFapFap - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I'm not even going to reply to this, since you were too dumb to press the F5 key.

    Someone who compares chickens with cars calls others dumb? b:chuckle
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  • FapFapFap - Raging Tide
    FapFapFap - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fap stop agreeing with me, or I might get kicked from the inner-circle. (cwutIdiddere?)

    Sry, u suck and I totally disagree with ur dumb opinions. b:surrender
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  • Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide
    Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Someone who compares chickens with cars calls others dumb? b:chuckle

    does this mean the supermarket isn't gonna give Fuzzy a new car when he claims they scammed him?

    b:shedtear
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  • FapFapFap - Raging Tide
    FapFapFap - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    does this mean the supermarket isn't gonna give Fuzzy a new car when he claims they scammed him?

    b:shedtear

    No, face the truth. But anyways - animals don't get a drivers license but u are allowed to ride on chickens. So why would u want to exchange it?

    Meh, this lvl 4x "main" who talks about aurora in the history of raging tides-thread needs some time to throw the next load of ignorance at me. S4 League is w8in for me <3, prepare some good flames so I'm goin to have some more fun here, kthxbai.
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  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    No, face the truth. But anyways - animals don't get a drivers license but u are allowed to ride on chickens. So why would u want to exchange it?

    You sir... win all of my internets for that post.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Don't play dumb, every1 here knows what scam is, and it's the purpose behind it, not the number which is displayed as the price of an item.

    Apparantly, you do not. A scam is about false information, whether spoken or not. Such is not the case with this.

    U still don't get it. PPL who sell tokens of luck for 4m+ try to sell them as best lucks to some unaware players.
    Whoever sells TT mats for 20m won't be lucky, cuz no one would think about makin profit with buying it. That's no scamming, that's just wasting time to sell an item no one buys.

    So people do look at the price of the mat, but not of the token. Do you even know what you're saying?
    I don't know where u r from, but normally chickens are not as large as cars nor do the look alike in any way. Get some rational examples first, then try to use them as an senseless argument.

    Sigh, I'll try to give you another one, hope it's not too hard for you to follow;
    A person goes to the mercedes dealer, buys a car, then returns saying he was scammed because he wanted to buy a lexus. That good enough for you?

    I don't think anyone who is active on the forums here, isn't aware of a possible scam by such people. The ones scammers are aiming for are unaware/unexperienced ppl.
    If someone is unaware/unexperienced, they go on a shopping rampage and buy everything they see without looking at the price. Cool, I get it.
    Why are u that persistent and search for arguments for scamming then? Maybe u should let those ppl who fall for it crawl in their tiny little holes and leave them alone, instead of coming up with a lot of different "arguments" which are similar in their logic (absurd) on the forums being the only 1 who is thinking that way.

    I lost you somewhere down that sentence. Some punctuation would be nice.
    Yeah we all are fools for not trying to earn money in a sneaky way.
    If u wanna think that do it and be happy with it, no one cares abour ur bad character traits as long as u don't try to make out that it's not ur fault for using ppls credulity.

    Did I say that somewhere? No, you're just making things up. I said this particular case isn't a scam. It would be if it advertised best tokens in the shop title. Just like other scams in the past (and still nowadays); such as the scamshops near crazy stone or life orbs being advertised as subs.
    Oh, cuz of that u posted about the history of aurora n stuff, but every1 who joined in march knows that.
    Think a bit before u try to use some cheap lies for ur own benefit.
    Yeah, cuz there is no way to reach even 100, since this server is only a few day old.
    Ur point is?..

    Wow, you really are ****. I've never even posted in that thread.
    I think that's the cue that there's no point in argueing with you. How much of a moron can you be?
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Someone who compares chickens with cars calls others dumb? b:chuckle
    Just like people that compare best luck tokens with luck tokens.b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle

    Meh, this lvl 4x "main" who talks about aurora in the history of raging tides-thread needs some time to throw the next load of ignorance at me. S4 League is w8in for me <3, prepare some good flames so I'm goin to have some more fun here, kthxbai.

    Don't forget to take your ignorance with you.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    DragonPyre... Lets say a person on the street says that they have some fancy handbag that they want to sell you for a low price, and hands you a purse with all of the gucci symbols and what not on them... tells you that you can have it for $200.

    I am sorry, but that is considered a SCAM here. Whether or not it was actually SAID to be a gucci handbag or not is irrelevant. They gave the IMPRESSION it was a real designer handbag, and will therefor be ARRESTED. It is displayed on the news quite often.

    Now sit down and shut up. You know damn well that they are trying to trick people, you are just too far into this to admit defeat. There is no logical basis for defending these people unless you are one of them.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    DragonPyre... Lets say a person on the street says that they have some fancy handbag that they want to sell you for a low price, and hands you a purse with all of the gucci symbols and what not on them... tells you that you can have it for $200.

    I am sorry, but that is considered a SCAM here. Whether or not it was actually SAID to be a gucci handbag or not is irrelevant. They gave the IMPRESSION it was a real designer handbag, and will therefor be ARRESTED. It is displayed on the news quite often.

    The person says it's a fancy handbag.
    A catshop is just a display of goods, with the corresponding prices which were chosen by the seller.
    I can try to sell a second hand bike or car for whatever price I want. No one is going to arrest me because I'm "scamming". However, no one will be buying it either, because they look at the item and think: "Hey, this price isn't right for this item. I won't buy this!"
    If people get charged for this wherever you are, then I'm certainly glad I'm not there.

    Oh and most items in the real world won't have a name tag pop up next to them. Yeah, I know it's hard to believe.
    Now sit down and shut up. You know damn well that they are trying to trick people, you are just too far into this to admit defeat. There is no logical basis for defending these people unless you are one of them.

    Defeat of what? Why don't you think before posting?
    So far I've just been called a scammer over and over because I don't agree with your views. I guess lawyers that defend criminals are criminals too. Your logic makes perfect sense.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The person says it's a fancy handbag.
    A catshop is just a display of goods, with the corresponding prices which were chosen by the seller.
    I can try to sell a second hand bike or car for whatever price I want. No one is going to arrest me because I'm "scamming". However, no one will be buying it either, because they look at the item and think: "Hey, this price isn't right for this item. I won't buy this!"
    If people get charged for this wherever you are, then I'm certainly glad I'm not there.

    Oh and most items in the real world won't have a name tag pop up next to them. Yeah, I know it's hard to believe.

    Fancy does not mean it is of designer quality. Some people think that aluminum is fancy just because it is shiny. Fancy is a descriptive word, it doesn't necessarily imply value. People may not be arrested for overpricing cars, but if they imply that it is something rare, they may be sued in court. How about we use the example of people who print out currency from their home computer, and buy some small item just to get a ton of change back? They do not SAY it is a real $100 bill when they hand it to the clerk, but they sure imply that it is when they hand it to them. So if someone owed you money, and payed you in something that LOOKED real, but was not real.. would you be upset and demand punishment? Or would you take your current stance and say "oh well, it wasn't a scam."
    Defeat of what? Why don't you think before posting?
    So far I've just been called a scammer over and over because I don't agree with your views. I guess lawyers that defend criminals are criminals too. Your logic makes perfect sense.

    Lawyers who defend criminals may not be criminals, but they are considered scum by many... Last I checked, you were not appointed by the BAR to be a defender of PWI criminals, so that only leaves you to be a scammer.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fancy does not mean it is of designer quality. Some people think that aluminum is fancy just because it is shiny. Fancy is a descriptive word, it doesn't necessarily imply value. People may not be arrested for overpricing cars, but if they imply that it is something rare, they may be sued in court. How about we use the example of people who print out currency from their home computer, and buy some small item just to get a ton of change back? They do not SAY it is a real $100 bill when they hand it to the clerk, but they sure imply that it is when they hand it to them. So if someone owed you money, and payed you in something that LOOKED real, but was not real.. would you be upset and demand punishment? Or would you take your current stance and say "oh well, it wasn't a scam."

    This is what I said in a previous post:
    A scam is about false information, whether spoken or not. Such is not the case with this.

    You're talking about implying something which causes false information. I completely agree with that.
    However, that was not the case with the screenshot you posted which I replied to.
    Nowhere was it implied that the person was selling luck nor best luck tokens.
    It was just there with a specific price, which you thought was incorrect.
    So you called it a scam. Just because you didn't agree with the pricetag next to the item.

    Lawyers who defend criminals may not be criminals, but they are considered scum by many... Last I checked, you were not appointed by the BAR to be a defender of PWI criminals, so that only leaves you to be a scammer.

    *gasp* Someone's on to me.
    You can consider me scum whatever you like, doesn't change my point in any way.
    Last I checked, this wasn't a court either, but examples are hard to grasp for some apparently.
    Calling someone names because you don't agree with them, just shows how weak your argument is.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    *gasp* Someone's on to me.
    You can consider me scum whatever you like, doesn't change my point in any way.
    Last I checked, this wasn't a court either, but examples are hard to grasp for some apparently.
    Calling someone names because you don't agree with them, just shows how weak your argument is.

    I didn't call you scum...

    So by your logic...
    Calling you names = I have weak argument

    I did not call you names, therefore... I must have a strong argument...

    I win.

    EDIT: Here we go... this should shut you up. Let's avoid our own personal meanings for scams.. and go with a dictionary definition.

    scam (skm) Slang n.

    A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. By "fraudulent", we include misleading, misdirected or exaggerated claims in advertising. For example, if you purchase a book that claims to provide you with clear, step-by-step plans to start a business that will make you wealthy; and you receive only

    * lists of references to government programs, or
    * general advice about how to start a business, or engage in a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme; or
    * the price for the information is clearly disproportionate to it's worth (such as lists that are publicly available for free elsewhere);

    any of these meets our definition of a scam. And , we believe, most people in these situations would feel scammed!


    http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/definitions.php
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I didn't call you scum...

    So by your logic...
    Calling you names = I have weak argument

    I did not call you names, therefore... I must have a strong argument...

    I win.


    Being strong equals winning?
    Scammer doesn't equal name calling?

    Good job on missing the rest of the post, here's your medal. o<

    EDIT:
    EDIT: Here we go... this should shut you up. Let's avoid our own personal meanings for scams.. and go with a dictionary definition.

    scam (skm) Slang n.

    A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. By "fraudulent", we include misleading, misdirected or exaggerated claims in advertising. For example, if you purchase a book that claims to provide you with clear, step-by-step plans to start a business that will make you wealthy; and you receive only

    * lists of references to government programs, or
    * general advice about how to start a business, or engage in a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme; or
    * the price for the information is clearly disproportionate to it's worth (such as lists that are publicly available for free elsewhere);

    any of these meets our definition of a scam. And , we believe, most people in these situations would feel scammed!

    http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/definitions.php

    The yellow part refers to what I've been saying all along.
    The red part refers to a business plan.

    Thanks for proving my point.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Actually, according to what was listed...
    "By "fraudulent", we include misleading, misdirected or exaggerated claims in advertising. For example, if you purchase a book that claims to provide..."

    That is what they define fraudulent as... and an EXAMPLE of it, not the ONLY example.. but a SINGLE example.

    "* lists of references to government programs, or
    * general advice about how to start a business, or engage in a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme; or
    * the price for the information is clearly disproportionate to it's worth (such as lists that are publicly available for free elsewhere);

    any of these meets our definition of a scam. And , we believe, most people in these situations would feel scammed!"

    As it says right there... ANY of those things, define a scam. Now sit down and stop failing. They are not business plans, they are the aspects that define a scam.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Actually, according to what was listed...
    "By "fraudulent", we include misleading, misdirected or exaggerated claims in advertising. For example, if you purchase a book that claims to provide..."

    That is what they define fraudulent as... and an EXAMPLE of it, not the ONLY example.. but a SINGLE example.

    "* lists of references to government programs, or
    * general advice about how to start a business, or engage in a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme; or
    * the price for the information is clearly disproportionate to it's worth (such as lists that are publicly available for free elsewhere);

    any of these meets our definition of a scam. And , we believe, most people in these situations would feel scammed!"

    As it says right there... ANY of those things, define a scam. Now sit down and stop failing. They are not business plans, they are the aspects that define a scam.

    Do I really have to give a full analysis?
    A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. By "fraudulent", we include misleading, misdirected or exaggerated claims in advertising. For example, if you purchase a book that claims to provide you with clear, step-by-step plans to start a business that will make you wealthy; and you receive only

    * lists of references to government programs, or
    * general advice about how to start a business, or engage in a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme; or
    * the price for the information is clearly disproportionate to it's worth (such as lists that are publicly available for free elsewhere);


    any of these meets our definition of a scam. And , we believe, most people in these situations would feel scammed!

    The first sentence gives a general definition of scam. The blue then gives an example of a scam, regarding a book about a business plan. They then point out what the characteristics of such a fraudelent book would be.
    They conclude it by saying that if any of those characteristics is present, it would be a scam. The mention of lists should be a dead give away that this is about a business plan.

    They continue by giving yet another example, which you didn't include in your post.
    You're basically calling a shady book that promises a succesfull business THE definition of a scam. Yet, it is merely an example, which you have taken out of context.

    After these examples, they even clearly state they were examples.
    There are 4 definitions of fraud that apply to the situations we describe:

    Again, it was a clear example. Not a definition.
    The catshop you showed wasn't a scam, because no information was withheld.

    You seem to be twisting the meaning of scam around. It doesn't work like that.
    Now get up, and walk away. Find a good school in your neighbourhood and get educated.
    Maybe you'll stop failing in a couple of years.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Oh, I see, so selling something to someone in game... for an extraordinary price is not a scam. Let us use the example of 70 people who were banned during the great pigment event.

    As I recall.. an item was purchased from the cash shop (hot colors pack), and that item randomly gave out another object (pigment). So far seems similar to... packs giving out tokens?

    These players sold them to NPCs for a LARGE profit, above and beyond the true cost of the pigment. HMMMM seems very similar to players selling to other players, no words were said, they did not advertise a false item, just sold it for far greater than what it was worth.

    And those people were banned by GMs. Oh.. but it was coded into the game, its the designers fault. NO, they knew it was unethical, they knew they shouldn't be doing it... and they got punished.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Oh, I see, so selling something to someone in game... for an extraordinary price is not a scam. Let us use the example of 70 people who were banned during the great pigment event.

    As I recall.. an item was purchased from the cash shop (hot colors pack), and that item randomly gave out another object (pigment). So far seems similar to... packs giving out tokens?

    These players sold them to NPCs for a LARGE profit, above and beyond the true cost of the pigment. HMMMM seems very similar to players selling to other players, no words were said, they did not advertise a false item, just sold it for far greater than what it was worth.

    And those people were banned by GMs. Oh.. but it was coded into the game, its the designers fault. NO, they knew it was unethical, they knew they shouldn't be doing it... and they got punished.

    You're calling a bug a scam now?
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    You must observe these Terms, all Rules of Conduct, all applicable laws and all basic rules of etiquette and common courtesy when using the Website and the Service. Any conduct that violates the law in an offline, real world community is also a violation of these terms. PWE will not tolerate any illegal or offensive conduct.
    Without limiting the foregoing, in addition to the User Content rules set forth in Section 10 above, you agree not to take any of the following actions:

    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players,

    From here.
    That's what you agree to when you make an account.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You are calling a typo a bug?
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You are calling a typo a bug?

    In this case, yes.

    1. A true bug.
    2. An insect or similar organism, such as a centipede or an earwig. See Regional Note at lightning bug.
    3. a . A disease-producing microorganism: a flu bug.
      b.The illness or disease so produced: "stomach flu, a cold, or just some bug going around" (David Smollar).
    4. a. A defect or difficulty, as in a system or design.
      b. Computer Science. A defect in the code or routine of a program.
    5. An enthusiasm or obsession: got bitten by the writing bug.
    6. An enthusiast or devotee; a buff: a model train bug.
    7. An electronic listening device, such as a hidden microphone or wiretap, used in surveillance: planted a bug in the suspect's room

    We're talking about a program (the game), not a story.
    The extra 0 didn't belong there, therefore it is a bug.
  • Mikako - Raging Tide
    Mikako - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Gotcha, the false wording in some of the skills, and the non-resbuffing magic shell are both bugs because someone forgot to add or subtract some letters... and everyone who uses said spells.. should be banned.

    If you want to make up dumb rules to justify unfair practices, then I can make up dumb rules to criminalize normal practices.
  • DragonPyre - Raging Tide
    DragonPyre - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Gotcha, the false wording in some of the skills, and the non-resbuffing magic shell are both bugs because someone forgot to add or subtract some letters... and everyone who uses said spells.. should be banned.

    If you want to make up dumb rules to justify unfair practices, then I can make up dumb rules to criminalize normal practices.

    Did you not read?
    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players,

    I didn't make those rules up.
    Besides, I don't justify scamming. I just said the shop in your screenshot didn't show a scam.

    I'm not going to spell out all my previous posts for you, just go read them again if you still don't get my point.