The PKer's Mind Set

Taboo - Harshlands
Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Dawnglory (EU)
Im just curious....why do people that claim to be hardcore pkers, all flock to the same guild, and then cry when they out number people and dont actually get real pvp? It seems to me, if i was a truely bad **** and wanted to pvp, id look where most the pvpers are ending up, and pick a guild that has them on KoS. Just a thought....What do you think?
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  • Bloop - Harshlands
    Bloop - Harshlands Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'll trade you a Vit stone for that Script of fate.

    But on a serious note.

    Why does Zulu seem so much more appealing?
    - They're not stuck in Nirvana majority of the time.
    - They enjoy spending time on some mindless PKing even if not much is happening.
    - They help out with 3 - 3 runs.
    - When you're getting outnumbered in PK they come and help.
    60 / 250.
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    By "come and help", you mean like, 2x the amount needed to make it a fun fight?

    My post was not only about zulu, cause this same situation has happened over and over again on HL, starting with QQme. "WOOT yeah, im a pker, i better join the rest of the pkers. WTF, this server is carebears, where is all the pvp?"

    people just dont learn, flavor of the months are flavor of the months for this reason....the guild starts out going the right way....then EVERYONE and their mothers jumps on board, and suddenly its not so fun anymore.
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  • Stayne - Harshlands
    Stayne - Harshlands Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    By "come and help", you mean like, 2x the amount needed to make it a fun fight?

    My post was not only about zulu, cause this same situation has happened over and over again on HL, starting with QQme. "WOOT yeah, im a pker, i better join the rest of the pkers. WTF, this server is carebears, where is all the pvp?"

    people just dont learn, flavor of the months are flavor of the months for this reason....the guild starts out going the right way....then EVERYONE and their mothers jumps on board, and suddenly its not so fun anymore.

    Well what do you suggest? It's not like guilds like zulu will say "oh you pk a lot, we aren't gonna accept you cause we want to balance the pvp in the server".
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Stayne - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well what do you suggest? It's not like guilds like zulu will say "oh you pk a lot, we aren't gonna accept you cause we want to balance the pvp in the server".

    The issue is not with the guild accepting applicants, but rather all the pkers wanting to be in the same guild. If you are a competitive pker, why do you want all these other people around intruding on your pk? or if you see 5 enemys, why would you want 10 of your guildies to show up? They call themselves pkers and the rest of the server carebears, but it is so simple to be tough guys when you outnumber the opponent. Ever seen a group come out and 3v3 you, lose horibly and sit in safezone not saying anything, then they come back with 5 more people kill you and talk trash like there is no tomorrow? those are HL's greatest "PvPers".
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  • Stayne - Harshlands
    Stayne - Harshlands Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    The issue is not with the guild accepting applicants, but rather all the pkers wanting to be in the same guild. If you are a competitive pker, why do you want all these other people around intruding on your pk? or if you see 5 enemys, why would you want 10 of your guildies to show up? They call themselves pkers and the rest of the server carebears, but it is so simple to be tough guys when you outnumber the opponent. Ever seen a group come out and 3v3 you, lose horibly and sit in safezone not saying anything, then they come back with 5 more people kill you and talk trash like there is no tomorrow? those are HL's greatest "PvPers".


    I think its because they want to be a part of a faction with members that have similar pk habits and philosophy. I understand what your saying, but I also understand wanting to play with people who share your concept of whats fun.
  • Dark_Fate - Harshlands
    Dark_Fate - Harshlands Posts: 968 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    This was a desperate call of taboo... ex KDs, please leave zulu to come to KD again.. we need u. so we go rpk too as we cant manage a faction which is non rpk. this is our last hope to defend our landsb:sad... we got money and we can we u nirvana weapons to join baack if u are op enough...b:chuckle

    i do understand.. ky doesnt have many pkers. who pks in kylin? 4-5 archers, 3 barbs, 2 MGs, 1 veno, 2 clerics, 4 sins, bms(idk), 1 psy and when we have 1 squad they have 15 people.. not fun then when we give up they say.. "Lol they give up" or when their lowbies like GogreSTFU wc for kylin and 3 comes they hug sz... waiting for nurfed or Iffy? idk

    if KD wasnt that annoying mybe people would have stayed... u get 2 op people and lose half of your faction.. nuff said
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  • Reaperstres - Archosaur
    Reaperstres - Archosaur Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    that`s terrible
  • vincentx93
    vincentx93 Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Becuase if we did that it wouldn`t be PK NOW WOULD IT!
  • Rhyme - Harshlands
    Rhyme - Harshlands Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The Ratio of One side of a pk fight to another is expressed in this simple formula.

    Rank 8            Guildfund Stealers                                     Leprechauns 
 --------   -     ----------------------    x    Number of Sparks =    ----------------  x  Pixey Stix
 +12                 Nirvana gear                                            Unicorns
  • vincentx93
    vincentx93 Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    hahahah good one
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The real issues is carebears will always be carebear and PKers not wanting to be trapped in a carebear guild. I mean be honest, im sure if i was in KD i'd call for PvP help and never get anyone to come.

    Go make a treat and name it, "the carebear mind set"

    Active PKers have been about the same since start of the server, and we have waited way too freaking long for carebears to "catch up" and get comfortable enough to actually be PvP active. Instead you got a **** load of ppl in both KD and KY that are 100/101 or are close to these levels, yet have never go red or leave safe zone.

    At least KY got few PvPers to make up for it, but KD is carebearish head to toe to the point where if there is only 1~5 ppl that wants to be active in PvP active is not gonna matter as they will never get back up and get outnumbered even by smaller guilds.


    PvP is the only fun thing to do end game when you freaking select "PvP server option"
    Otherwise ppl should have rolled in a PvE server so they can be inside instances 24/7 until TW time.
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Once again....How can anyone complain about lack of pvp, when you go out of your way to join a faction with the majority of the pkers on the server? You notice its the same people always just reforming and joining the same rpk factions over and over again, just with different faction names, and the same thing always happens. Why can people not see 5 opponents and only get 4 more people to help? I understand zerging for things like WB crashing, grind spots, or other things that would benefit your enemy, but when its pk around arch or silver pool wtf is the point in ruining it?

    Also, always talking about KD being full of carebears, well lets see....what was it, 80 Kingdom members that joined zulu, and they all pk.....boy, i wonder why its rare to see large groups of KD pking. These PK oriented guilds ALWAYS end up shooting themselves in the foot with this stuff.
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  • Paimage - Harshlands
    Paimage - Harshlands Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Once again....How can anyone complain about lack of pvp, when you go out of your way to join a faction with the majority of the pkers on the server? You notice its the same people always just reforming and joining the same rpk factions over and over again, just with different faction names, and the same thing always happens. Why can people not see 5 opponents and only get 4 more people to help? I understand zerging for things like WB crashing, grind spots, or other things that would benefit your enemy, but when its pk around arch or silver pool wtf is the point in ruining it?

    Also, always talking about KD being full of carebears, well lets see....what was it, 80 Kingdom members that joined zulu, and they all pk.....boy, i wonder why its rare to see large groups of KD pking. These PK oriented guilds ALWAYS end up shooting themselves in the foot with this stuff.

    Not every zulu pks actively and alot of the ones that do it go for lowbies, thats a fact.
  • Legendadry - Harshlands
    Legendadry - Harshlands Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think you all miss the fact that every1 who plays this game is a carebear. Its a fact that you have to do PvE dungeons instances to get end game gear and material to be a factor in PvP.(unless u kill lowbies all day)

    I dont think zulu's being honest w/ themselves. Is it really fun for you all to get killed and then call double the number of people to come and help you out? If anything thats a sign of weakness, it shows you cant fight on even terms.

    Ofc not every in zulu is like this but the majority are.
    I dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender
  • Acrelar - Harshlands
    Acrelar - Harshlands Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Legendadry - Harshlands wrote: »
    I think you all miss the fact that every1 who plays this game is a carebear. Its a fact that you have to do PvE dungeons instances to get end game gear and material to be a factor in PvP.(unless u kill lowbies all day)

    I dont think zulu's being honest w/ themselves. Is it really fun for you all to get killed and then call double the number of people to come and help you out? If anything thats a sign of weakness, it shows you cant fight on even terms.

    Ofc not every in zulu is like this but the majority are.

    running pve instance doesn't make you a carebear. NOT pvping makes you a carebear. starting a NON-RPK faction on a PVP-SERVER makes you a carebear. Pretending everybody else is a carebar, guess what? makes you a carebear. Now stop blaming the people that actually pvp in this game in their freetime for KD going down. And stop pretending KD 1v1's everyone in Zulu and we always die and we bring 5times the amount to gank you. And for ***'s sake, stop using those useless double swords and pretend you do anything in pvp.
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  • Hellsarcher - Harshlands
    Hellsarcher - Harshlands Posts: 965 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    The real issues is carebears will always be carebear and PKers not wanting to be trapped in a carebear guild. I mean be honest, im sure if i was in KD i'd call for PvP help and never get anyone to come.

    Go make a treat and name it, "the carebear mind set"

    Active PKers have been about the same since start of the server, and we have waited way too freaking long for carebears to "catch up" and get comfortable enough to actually be PvP active. Instead you got a **** load of ppl in both KD and KY that are 100/101 or are close to these levels, yet have never go red or leave safe zone.

    At least KY got few PvPers to make up for it, but KD is carebearish head to toe to the point where if there is only 1~5 ppl that wants to be active in PvP active is not gonna matter as they will never get back up and get outnumbered even by smaller guilds.


    PvP is the only fun thing to do end game when you freaking select "PvP server option"
    Otherwise ppl should have rolled in a PvE server so they can be inside instances 24/7 until TW time.

    ^ this b:chuckle btw mate my comp is down so im having trouble getting money for the legs lol... fml perfect timing to get my comp down b:surrender
  • Teehee - Harshlands
    Teehee - Harshlands Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    All Big factions need to disband and we can start over. Then we can have like a server rule of no SafeList, and see what happens.b:victory
  • Flanders - Harshlands
    Flanders - Harshlands Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    They need to make air conditioned boxers so my **** can stop being sweaty all the time.
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Im glad this thread turned into a thread about zulu....Still no one that was in QQme/zulu has stated why they think of themselves as pro pvpers and claim to want good competition pvping, but then all join the same guild together....this doesnt take a wall of text to answer, and it certainly shouldnt be 2 pages. Since no one has answered the simple question i can only assume the majority of the "pkers" are huge cowards, and basically just want easy pvp.

    Btw, grats to everyone with 200 hours, i did 1 WQ, took me 40 minutes, and i got 84 hours red. So good job all you pros out there that pride yourselves on 200 hours, really challenging to achieve.
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  • Jlung - Harshlands
    Jlung - Harshlands Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im glad this thread turned into a thread about zulu....Still no one that was in QQme/zulu has stated why they think of themselves as pro pvpers and claim to want good competition pvping, but then all join the same guild together....this doesnt take a wall of text to answer, and it certainly shouldnt be 2 pages. Since no one has answered the simple question i can only assume the majority of the "pkers" are huge cowards, and basically just want easy pvp.

    Btw, grats to everyone with 200 hours, i did 1 WQ, took me 40 minutes, and i got 84 hours red. So good job all you pros out there that pride yourselves on 200 hours, really challenging to achieve.

    I think the answer to that is quite simple actually. Since this topic seems to be aimed mainly at Zulu then i will use them for my example. Zulu started off as a small guild for FRIENDS so therefore people who were friends with Nurfed and Iffy and all the originals wanted to join so they could play the game and have fun with FRIENDS. After a while people got bored and Nurfed decided to change things up which eventually lead to more people liking zulu and wanting to join. Ive never heard someone in zulu say their a pro pker or their the best pker so idk where thats coming from. As far as zulu member calling people noobs for dying and stuff..wake up EVERYONE talks shiit when they pvp in one way or another. Although i do however agree zergs are **** even pvp is fun but people need to realize if your in a faction that centers itself on pvp when you say you need some help (like in a 3v2 situation) and you ask in guild chat for 2 more people there is obviously gonna be more people who want to come and who are we to say no stay out go find something else to do...but like i said i agree on that point even sided pvp tends to be more fun
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Still no answer to my question, zzzzzzzz.

    I know about zulus history, i was part of the group that started it, and i dont care about any changes to the guild that have happened since. I just want to know, why do big time pkers want to be in the same guild with the rest of the big pkers, then complain they have no competition?
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  • Acrelar - Harshlands
    Acrelar - Harshlands Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Still no answer to my question, zzzzzzzz.

    I know about zulus history, i was part of the group that started it, and i dont care about any changes to the guild that have happened since. I just want to know, why do big time pkers want to be in the same guild with the rest of the big pkers, then complain they have no competition?

    we don't complain about competition? last time we complained about this server not having pvp was back in the qqme days. And I'm guessing "big time pkers" would be the people that started zulu and invited all the others so this is directed at the group of people that was in qqme/sense/over9k mainly. We just play another game when pwi gets boring..which is most of the times these days, but hey, who cares, pwi made pvp ****,nothing to do about it with instanced leveling.
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  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I have concluded that no one knows how to answer my question.....
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  • Acrelar - Harshlands
    Acrelar - Harshlands Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    your question is invalid cause nobody cries about not enough pvp?
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  • Arcrueid - Raging Tide
    Arcrueid - Raging Tide Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Dark_Fate - Harshlands wrote: »
    who pks in kylin? 4-5 archers, 3 barbs, 2 MGs, 1 veno, 2 clerics, 4 sins, bms(idk), 1 psy ...

    In one week, +1 veno b:cute

    ~Desiree
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  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Acrelar - Harshlands wrote: »
    your question is invalid cause nobody cries about not enough pvp?

    lol, are you kidding me?......
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  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    I have concluded that no one knows how to answer my question.....

    Are you stupid or blind? Why would any PvPer would want to join a carebear guild? Why would any serious PvPer would stick in a 5 man guild so they can get outnumbered by any nub guild or by carebears that think they can be PvPers just cuz they can outnumber or PvE to the top?

    If you want good answer make a good question cuz so far you are just pointing out the obvious.

    And LOL at KD going RPK with half the server's population in safe list.
  • Sabella - Harshlands
    Sabella - Harshlands Posts: 213 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Still no answer to my question, zzzzzzzz.

    I know about zulus history, i was part of the group that started it, and i dont care about any changes to the guild that have happened since. I just want to know, why do big time pkers want to be in the same guild with the rest of the big pkers, then complain they have no competition?

    There are many reasons, but l'll just list one.
    Like Minded People play together.
    There enough said.

    Here's the real question though, why are you crying now?
    Is it because anyone who was any good for pvp in KD left for zulu and your still butthurt over it? Come on be honest with yourself.
    This entire post is about how butthurt you really are isnt it.
    Please stop worrying about Zulu and deal with your own factions problems. It was your factions problems that lead to this post, so look at your faction, and please stop that Zulu this and the Zulu that.
    One would believe that you should be a lot more worried about losing a lvl 1 tw than why all the pk'ers want to play together.
  • Legendadry - Harshlands
    Legendadry - Harshlands Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Acrelar - Harshlands wrote: »
    running pve instance doesn't make you a carebear. NOT pvping makes you a carebear. starting a NON-RPK faction on a PVP-SERVER makes you a carebear. Pretending everybody else is a carebar, guess what? makes you a carebear. Now stop blaming the people that actually pvp in this game in their freetime for KD going down. And stop pretending KD 1v1's everyone in Zulu and we always die and we bring 5times the amount to gank you. And for ***'s sake, stop using those useless double swords and pretend you do anything in pvp.


    hmmm i sense a personal challenge here b:scorn

    anytime anywhere acrelar, although the bigger question here is does your guild know what 1v1 means? i've never said KD 1v1's ppl in zulu, as it's imppossible to do lol, we kill u once then like u and nurfed both mention 5-10 ppl show up for one person. Maybe u need to take nurfeds advice and ask for the number of ppl u want to help ub:shutup

    Also does 1 shoting lowbies and ganking people qualify as pvp? I certainly hope that a guild that prides itself in the PvP aspect of the game knows the difference between quailty PK and Standing around at west w/ a red name.

    My double swords useless onozb:cry, tell that sad story to your squishy's still dont save them from gettin peaced.
    I dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender
  • Taboo - Harshlands
    Taboo - Harshlands Posts: 1,420 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    1st off, who is sabella?

    2nd, i have said many times this thread is not just talking about zulu...keep thinking that tho.

    3rd, pvp is like a pick up basket ball game....what fun is it to have the 5 best people on your team? or for that matter 9v5?

    Stop being cocky **** tards and answer the question with a reasonable answer...."like minded people want to play together" is not accurate, because what they want is pvp.....when 2 people that bpth want pvp squad eachother, they can no longer pvp against each other. i dont know why this is so facking hard to understand.

    Ultimate, im "pointing out the obvious"? does that mean im right about all the pkers on HL being cowards that only wanting easy kills?
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