OMG T_T for ppl about my nix....

krelianmage

like 2 months ago, i was soloing TT 3-1 with my veno 8x... just needed to find people to open door, which isnt so hard...

ok, almost 3 hours to finish, considering my veno is low lvl for that TT... in the end i had like 5m profit. Didnt spent a single pot... put a wheight in the heal pet hotkey and checked the mp every 5 minutes when at bosses...

Doing with a party... takes like 40 minutes... but the profit is split by 6... and if u re a wiz u gonna spend quite a bunch of mp food/pots/charm or w/e u use.. so yeah, venos have it easier

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I solo every quest. The only ones I don't solo is the ones that involve boss quests, and even then, I tend to solo the miniboss quests I get anyway. Solo is a piece of cake. Click mob, nuke mob, pick up drops. Rinse. Repeat. Get some MP regen on your gear, and suddenly, you're doing better than a Veno. Especially with our MP Regen buff.

As for instances, tried being a Veno in Frostcovered? "Give me Spark! Give me Bramble, Tank that boss! Amp that boss! Ironwood that boss! Fire Parasitic Nova!" How about TT? Who really runs a TT without a Veno? And go ahead and run FBs without one as well. I don't know who you're partying with, but if they aren't pushing the Venos to, you know, do their damn jobs, I suggest you party with better people.

Now... As for Wizards "Needing" Pots? I want to know how? If you grind as a wizard, which, oddly, we are DAMN GOOD at... You should end up with a surplus of pots. And with the 9001 herbs around everywhere, you should easily be able to make MP regen powders, provided you actually DO end up needing MP.

As for the "Skills you need" argument... I think most of us Venos are really getting tired of seeing "All you need is Heal Pet." Maybe YOU do... But some of us are more useful than a tank.

Just few words.
Doing FF with players my lv. is question of max. 1h 15min. Regardless of veno. Veno is absolutely not necessary for FF. 2BM, cleric, wizard,archer, barb it make very very fast.

Isala - Sanctuary

krelianmage wrote: »

well, maybe u havent noticed that the topic sudenly changed to pve discussion veno vs wizards... so yeah, pve wise, u need only pet heal, scarab, hp/mp change skill which i forgot the name...


Duoing cleric/barb easier than veno/pet? LOL... u dont have a barb, I can see ( I have one)
cause then u would see the crappy damage it has, doing TT with only barb & cleric would take ages. Having more DDs makes TT a lot less profitable, not to mention a veno doesnt have any repair/mp costs doing it.

I know several barbs. One of which is sitting on several millions, is fully decked out in his level TT, and has funded his equal level assassin with everything it needs, while still maintaining his massive fortune. Did I mention he doesn't use the Cash Shop? Sorry pal. I'm not buying the whole "Barb makes no profit" thing.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Gosh 3 post above me posted at almost the same time . . (03.12 PM)

Don't you feel the heat ? b:angry

krelianmage

I never said barbs make no profit. I said wizards dont have an easy life while venos do.

If barb is not lazy he can be as rich as veno or w/e class is the richest. All the time barbs are needed for everything, in world chat, faction chat, everything... though they have to use hp charms for many things, which veno doesn't

Isala - Sanctuary

Barbs need an HP charm for Rebirth. But other than that? No. They don't need an HP charm. Hell, let's just discuss the realm of TT for a second. You tried tanking Soulbanisher's AoE without some heavy duty pots and/or charm as a Veno? How about tanking 1-3 Drummer AT ALL as a Veno? We don't have time to be using our self heals when we're spam healing, which means we need pots during AoE bosses, or skip them entirely, and guess what? There goes our supposed 'profit'...

ExtraTwisted - Dreamweaver

krelianmage wrote: »

ok, almost 3 hours to finish, considering my veno is low lvl for that TT... in the end i had like 5m profit. Didnt spent a single pot..

Three hours to finish, 5m profit, either you were really lucky or your servers prices are ridiculous (Inflated/deflated) and you can only kill 3 of those bosses by yourself, the first one being worthless and another being garbage.

However, I find it funny how irrelevant killing mobs really even matter when you're pking each other.

As well, wouldn't these bosses require herc? How about that $200 dollar price tag you need first :O

anwynd

wizards arent tht hard to play if you use your brain stfu & learn, listen, take advice, & test your self beyond your limits.
seriously to even solo TT you need a herc which costs any where between 20m if your extremely lucky or as high as 100m if your very unlucky
most people ive seen in game consider venos to be useless with out a herc so do wizards have to spend about 80m to be excepted into parties o thts right they dont so stop QQing about venos can do this venos can tht ,& also venos need pots to cus one of there jobs is to amp the boss which they have to go into fox form which takes 25% of a venos mp away plus they have to worrey about AOEs its just not click a button & its dead for a veno if your a decent veno it can be alot tougher yea not all skills are needed but some can be rlly useful seriously just stop fighting over which class is harder both can be hard if you actually no wut your doing

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

anwynd wrote: »

wizards arent tht hard to play if you use your brain stfu & learn, listen, take advice, & test your self beyond your limits.
seriously to even solo TT you need a herc which costs any where between 20m if your extremely lucky or as high as 100m if your very unlucky
most people ive seen in game consider venos to be useless with out a herc so do wizards have to spend about 80m to be excepted into parties o thts right they dont so stop QQing about venos can do this venos can tht ,& also venos need pots to cus one of there jobs is to amp the boss which they have to go into fox form which takes 25% of a venos mp away plus they have to worrey about AOEs its just not click a button & its dead for a veno if your a decent veno it can be alot tougher yea not all skills are needed but some can be rlly useful seriously just stop fighting over which class is harder both can be hard if you actually no wut your doing

The true is that some classes are harder to play as another. Also true is, that veno is the easiest class to play. That are facts.

anwynd

veno is the best at keeping costs at a minamum yea thts true but it doesnt actually make them easy they have to be able to have lower costs to buy wut they need like tht $200 dollar pet to actually be excepted
ill give you wizards are kind of tough but they arent the toughest class to play if you no wut you are doing it just takes a little thing called hard work tht most people dont no about these days as long as your having fun with wut your doing its not hardb:victory just keep doing wut you do best & dont let anybody change tht

mooman321

veno is the easiest class to play. That are facts.

LOL, that is the definition of an opinion.

$200 dollar pet to actually be excepted

And for this we also deserve to be a little OP endgame

Truly? Venos in party are even more useless than without it. (of course not everywhere but these instances where is veno needed is few) But as we are higher and higher level the venos role in party is still more useless. Especially with luring genie. So I really don't know what responsibility you talking about.]

Then you my friend are partying with some lazy **** venos. When i spark tank, amp, extreme poison, rainbow then 2 or 3 people are like: "OMFG xxk CRIT!!!!" every time. You can SEE the bosses hp drop faster. At the same time we are healing pet and DDing. A good veno won't use macros on bosses, too much **** to keep track of. Wizards on the other hand hit a macro, then go make a sandwich.

_Surreal_ - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok. But it still not excuse nix's bug in game. And this bug is called not damage reduced in PvP for nix while every1 has his damage reduced.
Also I will be quiet immediately when we all have same damage reduction in PvP or my damage will be not nerfed to your pets. I just want justice for all players not just for some1 and for some1 not.

OMFG learn2play nix shouldnt be hurting so much now...and no offence but your hp sucks

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

QQ The Nix is overpowered QQ
QQ The Nix isn't nerfed enough for my liking QQ
QQ I can't beat a Veno with a Nix because I'm a failure to my class QQ
QQ Secretly I wish I was a Veno with a Nix but I can't afford one so I'll just cry like a baby about them QQ

STFU & GTFO pl0x.

Pressa - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The true is that some classes are harder to play as another. Also true is, that veno is the easiest class to play. That are facts.

I beg to differ barbs are the easiest class by far.

krelianmage

Most venos saying that venos arent the easiest class to play prob never played another class higher than lvl 20

From my exp, I have a wiz, a veno, a barb and an archer, all higher than 80, 2 higher than 90...


Wizard : u never get into any squad for any instance unless its RB or they didnt find an archer or the people in squad are your friends... u spend a lot of mps, ur repairs costs are kinda low... but unless u have a bunch of skills up to date, u will have a hard time

Archer : IN MY OPINION, the second easiest to play class... when i was in the mood to make an archer friends told me its the most costly class in game... but thats a lie... u need a good weapon, a good crit rate and 2- 3 skills updated... the rest is optional... u have trouble when enemy is close range and knockback is cooling... if u do like me and use equips with mp regen, u wont spend mp at all unless u decide to barrage

Barb: omg... every instance u go and u re suposed to tank, expect to pay 200k + repair... if its Rb then... a barb cost is pretty damn high... hopefully u will be invited to many things that will make you money...

Veno: I bought my herc when gold was 130k.. i sold tome frags from rebirth gamma when just a few people could complete it... 300k + each frag... 18m total cost of herc...
I never use pots... i can repair once every 3-4 days... Pet food is not a problem if u have a tome... All pots i get from veno i transfer to my other alts, cause veno dont trly need it, just throw a tree of protection if things get rough. U cant fail as veno, unless u dont upgrade heal pet.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Did someone say veno's are hard to play?

Tikitavi - Sanctuary

Pressa - Heavens Tear

krelianmage wrote: »

Most venos saying that venos arent the easiest class to play prob never played another class higher than lvl 20

From my exp, I have a wiz, a veno, a barb and an archer, all higher than 80, 2 higher than 90...


Wizard : u never get into any squad for any instance unless its RB or they didnt find an archer or the people in squad are your friends... u spend a lot of mps, ur repairs costs are kinda low... but unless u have a bunch of skills up to date, u will have a hard time

Archer : IN MY OPINION, the second easiest to play class... when i was in the mood to make an archer friends told me its the most costly class in game... but thats a lie... u need a good weapon, a good crit rate and 2- 3 skills updated... the rest is optional... u have trouble when enemy is close range and knockback is cooling... if u do like me and use equips with mp regen, u wont spend mp at all unless u decide to barrage

Barb: omg... every instance u go and u re suposed to tank, expect to pay 200k + repair... if its Rb then... a barb cost is pretty damn high... hopefully u will be invited to many things that will make you money...

Veno: I bought my herc when gold was 130k.. i sold tome frags from rebirth gamma when just a few people could complete it... 300k + each frag... 18m total cost of herc...
I never use pots... i can repair once every 3-4 days... Pet food is not a problem if u have a tome... All pots i get from veno i transfer to my other alts, cause veno dont trly need it, just throw a tree of protection if things get rough. U cant fail as veno, unless u dont upgrade heal pet.

Thank you but I have so played these classes past 20 most past 80 cept for barb and cleric about 40 something on cleric and near 50 on the barb but I have played higher on others servers. So I do know barb is the easiest class to play I didn't say it was the cheapest.

krelianmage

If u saying barb is the easiest, then tell us why. just stating it means nothing

Pressa - Heavens Tear

Maybe because they have sooo much life grinding as a barb is cake its just kill until your life is low sit for a few seconds repeat There is no way thats not the easiest thing ever. Plus its super easy to tank you run in there and start surviving which is easy at least for me until the cleric heals you and then you just smack each of the mobs with ream or roar and you win.

Thats why the barb is the easiest its the least labor intensive class out there. In rebirth it just takes skill and then its easy. (nipping that one in the butt before someone comes in and says that)

krelianmage

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Maybe because they have sooo much life grinding as a barb is cake its just kill until your life is low sit for a few seconds repeat There is no way thats not the easiest thing ever. Plus its super easy to tank you run in there and start surviving which is easy at least for me until the cleric heals you and then you just smack each of the mobs with ream or roar and you win.

Thats why the barb is the easiest its the least labor intensive class out there. In rebirth it just takes skill and then its easy. (nipping that one in the butt before someone comes in and says that)

fail


u know whats easier than that? veno

send ur pet to kill everything.. heal it

if run low on mp, u dont need to meditate. use a skill to get mp back

nothing easier than that. u dont even need to carry mp/hp pots

Pressa - Heavens Tear

Nope its not easier venos are remarkably squishy unless you already know what your doing your going to die ALOT.
And I'm sorry when did you know venos better then me your veno is what level 30? 60?

krelianmage

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nope its not easier venos are remarkably squishy unless you already know what your doing your going to die ALOT.
And I'm sorry when did you know venos better then me your veno is what level 30? 60?

venos only die if they are dumb, but then they will die as any class.

my veno is lvl 85, what lvl is your barb/archer /bm /wiz/cleric ?

Pressa - Heavens Tear

You won't take no for an answer will yah? Your a regular veno hater even if I made a valid argument against you nothing would change your mind. So I won't try already got into this many times before if you want to see other sides go to the venos section of the forums. I retain my perfectly logical conclusion that barbs are easiest and you retain your logic too.

krelianmage

well, I kinda suported my opinion instead of just posting monkeys smiles. ur opinion is just another "me thinks that" opinion

Pressa - Heavens Tear

I did support my opinion and have answered all your questions you just don't wanna scroll back and check it out. I only say this because I have done both and barb just seems like sooo much easier.

TigerLily - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Absolute domain is 4s. Is not enough to survive nix. If you are stunned and bleeded + damage from veno your HP is gone in 3s. Apparently you weren't in TW. Veno's not damage reduced nix is the most deadly for arcanes. And I repeat again. If nix doesn't have damage reduce on me I also demand my damage doesn't reduce on nix.

You're a 99+ wiz you should be able to 2-3 shoot the chicken and watch the veno holy path to sz in panic trying to ress the pet <.<

You really must be doing something terribly wrong here, playing the arguable strongest pvp-class endgame having problems with a veno pet. Really dont know a single 99+ active wizard that have big problems with venos anymore.

My guess is you are severely under geared for your lvl, low hp and defenses, low magic attack since you haven't refined your weapon much, not many lvl 11 skills, you dont spam pvp pots and genies properly . Cant blame flesh ream or nixes if its your char that sucks b:surrender.

Flesh ream works as intended, which is with no pvp reduction, i suggest you try to work your wiz as it was intended to - like go **** on nixes since you're 99+.

LeirtA - Lost City

If at 99 you're still QQing about the QQ bird, the easiest way to win is UNINSTALL.

Just because you squad with fail venos doesn't mean every veno is a fail. Venos purge, amp, myriad, debuff just so DDers can hit those high numbers to help them enlarge their E peens. Oh and not forgetting passing sparks to those who need them. Easy? All I see is DDers standing there nuking away. If you're complaining that the first 80 or so levels are difficult to play as a wiz, nobody pointed a gun at your head to make you choose that. After 80 all my wizzy friends outlevelled my veno.

Repair costs? I play a heavy arcane veno. Sometimes it's required to tank bosses in foxform incurring up to 200k of repair costs as well. I chose this path. Do I come here and QQ? I'm a non factor veno in my server. You should see the factor and pro ones in LC. You chose to play a wizzie. L2P it right.

By 9x wizzies are 1-3 shotting almost everyone around the same level with a +3 refined weapon except for the heavy cash shoppers. Nerf or don't nerf? Sleep the nix and nuke the veno? Do I have to teach you how to play your wizzie? My 9x wizzie friend has a +4 weapon and 2 shots 9x nixes.

Tell the fail venos you have been squadding with to read this.

P/s I have a level 8x archer as well in case you start saying I don't play any other class.

ZoanoAce - Lost City

Err...lol..well if I'm 1 of the few Barbs who actually do speak in this thread, I just want to refer back to what Pressa and krelianmage were debating about. Barbs, easiest class? yea...not true, trust me lol. Though Barbs have the best survivability among all the other classes, it's still hard to get quests and other PvE related things done due to low melee dmg and high repairs at the end of the day. Yet in the case of Venos, have you ever considered this?
Based on the facts about Venos (or at least the much I know lol) it's true that:
a) Venos have the least money related problems in the entire game (excluding the CS pets) and can make money fairly easily
b) Venos who "Pet Solo" everything have it better getting EXP and have less possible deaths cuz their pets can play a Tank/DD role.
Thus, enabling what you can also call "good survivability"

Well the main point to my post is that is that overall, Untamed have it best/easiest with survival in the game where the Barbs have the Highest HP and Great p.def in Tiger, along with other survival skills (Sunder, Invoke, Feral Regen. etc) and Venos with Great p.def also in Foxform, Tanking Pets, Metabolic Boost, Nature's Grace(mp regen), etc.

PS: As long as we are Human, we will always cry, fuss, argue, [insert more plz]b:chuckleb:laugh

LeirtA - Lost City

Venos already paid up front when they level the pets' skills using coins and spirits. Pet skills don't come for free unless the veno doesn't intend on getting the right skills for the right pet or upgrading them.

Those who chose to buy the legendary pets have already paid more upfront for whatever costs other classes will be incurring along the way.

Everyone else pays by instalment. Venos just have to pay upfront.

Every class was made to complement one another to work together in a squad. There is no one class being easier than another. I respect players who play barbs because I have tanked bosses with my veno before. It's not an easy job.