Top 10 Guild in Sanctuary!!!

Strife_son - Sanctuary

An intriguing thought crossed my mind this morning, as I now look at some of the turmoil the bigger factions in this server are facing at the moment. What constitutes a faction as being one of the best?

Some powerful factions have come and gone in the history of this server. Seppuku, Ravenous, Steel, Rebirth... the list goes on I am sure. Looking at things now, only a few of the original TW factions remain active and still a part of the TW "scene".

In my eyes, a strong faction is one that is able to overcome adversity and continue to go on, even if they must remain in a weakened state. From personal experience, Legendary has seen several highs and lows, but even today continues to hang in there despite the fact that we have been removed from the map by an unrelenting Nefarious.

I can imagine that Regicide, Outlaw, Amplified (are you still hanging in there Deceptistar?), Enelysion and RedRaidrs have all experienced or are experiencing hard times now because of the plasticity of this gaming experience.

In my eyes it is the ability to keep going, to never give in, that makes a faction strong. I muse now as to whether or not Nefarious would be able to do the same should they be put into shoes other than their own. What is it that unites Nefarious and allows them to prevail over the current opposing factions? What happens if this "factor" is removed, does Nefarious topple completely? Or do they rebuild as so many of us have had to do?

I read a thread on the Nefarious forums in which members gloated to Sasaki that they have finally defeated Legendary. But even now Legendary continues to rebuild itself, getting all the essential pieces back together to build a strong faction once again. So have they defeated all? Or have they merely temporarily removed us?

Anyway, I guess my point is that there are a lot of strong factions out there. That a complete domination from my perspective is possible with the proper resources (people, money, land, several elements) and has granted one faction a fortuitous longevity. Being the best is one thing, but the ability to survive and stay strong in the face of surmounting adversities is a faction strength highly commendable in my eyes.

Vibrant and determined leaders, loyal members who endure it all, good sportsmanship, the ability to adapt and learn... to strive to improve one's faction. Selflessness. All of these are qualities which I see in some of the "stronger" factions of this server.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »

I can imagine that Regicide, Outlaw, Amplified (are you still hanging in there Deceptistar?), Enelysion and RedRaidrs have all experienced or are experiencing hard times now because of the plasticity of this gaming experience.

barely but hanging there and regrowing some fingernails rofl :P im not about to give up 1+years of effort put in

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."-Dale Carnegie

BTW nicely summed up strife lol

My vote would go for the factions that are present, hanging on, but also not completely dead and given up. (whether our fac is included doesnt matter) I give credit to those facs cause from oct 2008 there has been many MANY factions that came and went, some slowly some fast, but they all gave up and died. Some might get lucky and rise fast, but luck itself wont last long. So when it topples, is when pple see if that faction is really strong or not. As for nef personally, i think they will still stand if sh*t hits the fan.


............I miss all the old factions ;( only nef, LG, outlaw, regicide, amplified, shockwave is the remaining oldies...........

Strife_son - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

barely but hanging there and regrowing some fingernails rofl :P im not about to give up 1+years of effort put in

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."-Dale Carnegie

Good to hear

I have to give credit to Enelysion. I consider them to be a newer faction... and one of the three or four regular newer factions that used to regularly attack Legendary back in the day. Between Crucibles, Psychotic, Liquid, Audeamus, and Enelysion, I would have to say Enelysion is the one really hanging in there. Kudos on that.

In fact kudos to all factions still hanging in there. Except Nef. b:cute

Definitely not easy trying to keep a faction together, especially one that's dealing with hard times

_Sheh - Sanctuary

Real Life > Game Life. People should learn to get their priorities straight. =p

Fransica - Sanctuary

i feel this is a very unclear thread. As many have stated above me how is list decided? some factions are small but can handle what they need and have no concern for land ever does that exclude them from the list of top ten then ? If so not really a fair list in my opinion since i am the leader of one of those small factions that have no interest in land but we can get what we need done

SarahC - Sanctuary

Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have to give credit to Enelysion. I consider them to be a newer faction... and one of the three or four regular newer factions that used to regularly attack Legendary back in the day. Between Crucibles, Psychotic, Liquid, Audeamus, and Enelysion, I would have to say Enelysion is the one really hanging in there. Kudos on that.

awhh Strifey b:cute

I miss Nemesis, only faction besides enely that felt like a home, well at least to me, possibly because I moved to egofail Steel after that, but whatevs. Steel was fun too :P

Strife_son - Sanctuary

SarahC - Sanctuary wrote: »

awhh Strifey b:cute

I miss Nemesis, only faction besides enely that felt like a home, well at least to me, possibly because I moved to egofail Steel after that, but whatevs. Steel was fun too :P

Steel was the period in server history where pk was at its best... in my eyes b:laugh

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary

Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »

I muse now as to whether or not Nefarious would be able to do the same should they be put into shoes other than their own. What is it that unites Nefarious and allows them to prevail over the current opposing factions? What happens if this "factor" is removed, does Nefarious topple completely? Or do they rebuild as so many of us have had to do?

This part made no sense to me since so many of the people you are asking about are the same people who left those other factions as they disappeared. In fact, for some of the factions, the departures to Nef were the very adversity you are talking about.

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that the only way to judge a faction is actually by its current membership and what they can do. As much as I enjoyed some of the history, how a given faction came to be the set of people it is today is an academic interest. It is perhaps interesting to ask what they did or what they had to overcome if you want to emulate them or avoid making the same mistakes, but longevity alone is not a mark of achievement when the membership has morphed so much that it is effectively a different faction with the same name (and possibly nothing more in common than that). Since none of us can realistically evaluate any faction we are not in for anything other than TW success, I guess that has to be the standard. Obviously, that isn't what all (or likely most) people want out of a faction, but it is the only subjective-seeming criteria we have. So, recognizing vintages of factions and that a lot has changed over time, and that TW isn't everything, blah, blah, blah... here is a list finally for common disagreement:

1. Nefarious (the ever-changing red blob over time)
2. Legendary at their peak
3. Seppuku? (maybe I have the name wrong - whoever had the top left corner back in the day and scared the bodily fluids out of Nef until they got boxed in)
4. Outlaw version 1 - the vintage that won the bottom of the map and made a run at Dreamweaver
5. Shockwave at their peak
6. Regicide lately (not sure if their peak was a month ago or is yet to come)
7. Steel/NWO (I know it was not technically the same faction, but the core of what NWO was seemed to go into Steel - so much hate and so much fun)
8. Rebirth (I can't remember if it was Rebirth or its predecessor FTW that had the shocking 3-hour TW with Nef, but they burned bright before they flamed out.)
9. Enelysion recently
10. Outlaw recently (I'm least sure of this one. It could be Red Raiders or Legendary recently. We will see now that some roles have been reversed.)

Let the criticism and drama flow....

Lycanthar - Sanctuary

Fransica - Sanctuary wrote: »

i feel this is a very unclear thread. As many have stated above me how is list decided? some factions are small but can handle what they need and have no concern for land ever does that exclude them from the list of top ten then ? If so not really a fair list in my opinion since i am the leader of one of those small factions that have no interest in land but we can get what we need done

Start a new thread for small factions that don't care about TW.

It's not like they give Academy Awards to the kids that star in cereal commercials. b:pleased

/joking, don't take it too srsly ;p

Aliure - Sanctuary

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

This part made no sense to me since so many of the people you are asking about are the same people who left those other factions as they disappeared. In fact, for some of the factions, the departures to Nef were the very adversity you are talking about.

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that the only way to judge a faction is actually by its current membership and what they can do. As much as I enjoyed some of the history, how a given faction came to be the set of people it is today is an academic interest. It is perhaps interesting to ask what they did or what they had to overcome if you want to emulate them or avoid making the same mistakes, but longevity alone is not a mark of achievement when the membership has morphed so much that it is effectively a different faction with the same name (and possibly nothing more in common than that). Since none of us can realistically evaluate any faction we are not in for anything other than TW success, I guess that has to be the standard. Obviously, that isn't what all (or likely most) people want out of a faction, but it is the only subjective-seeming criteria we have. So, recognizing vintages of factions and that a lot has changed over time, and that TW isn't everything, blah, blah, blah... here is a list finally for common disagreement:

1. Nefarious (the ever-changing red blob over time)
2. Legendary at their peak
3. Seppuku? (maybe I have the name wrong - whoever had the top left corner back in the day and scared the bodily fluids out of Nef until they got boxed in)
4. Outlaw version 1 - the vintage that won the bottom of the map and made a run at Dreamweaver
5. Shockwave at their peak
6. Regicide lately (not sure if their peak was a month ago or is yet to come)
7. Steel/NWO (I know it was not technically the same faction, but the core of what NWO was seemed to go into Steel - so much hate and so much fun)
8. Rebirth (I can't remember if it was Rebirth or its predecessor FTW that had the shocking 3-hour TW with Nef, but they burned bright before they flamed out.)
9. Enelysion recently
10. Outlaw recently (I'm least sure of this one. It could be Red Raiders or Legendary recently. We will see now that some roles have been reversed.)

Let the criticism and drama flow....

This post reminded me of how much more exciting TW used to be.

Strife_son - Sanctuary

My "what if" was only whether or not Nefarious would remain united if they did not own the whole map. If they were put in the situation of Legendary or something. Just a musing, I am not really big on delving into "what if" questions xD

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

personally i cant include steel and nemesis in my list. For those who where there they were 2 of the famous for "growing fast and crumbling fast" and heard alot of drama occur just in the first month of growing, and dispersed after just a few consecutive TW losses. Did nemesis even last 2 months?

seppuku was like........wow. much respect to nishtara i remember sending a letter of grats on their low man TW vs shockwave.......wanted to join them but their requisite was SO high! lv60! b:chuckle their early legend...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIooxruUR08


too much memories b:cry

Lycanthar - Sanctuary

Wasn't Regicide's high point the night I ragequit? b:laugh

imo Legendary in the summer of 2009 was the greatest faction this server has seen, at least in my time here (jan 09 and counting)... I assume much in making such a statement, but it was a different game back then. Genie's were still being figured out (pre-massive overhaul update), there was no such thing as a zomgluck$$$ pack... it was an amazing community of established and up-and-coming 90+ players. The TW's with Nefarious could go either way, definitely the best TWs I ever participated in.

LG4EVER

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Lycanthar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wasn't Regicide's high point the night I ragequit? b:laugh

imo Legendary in the summer of 2009 was the greatest faction this server has seen, at least in my time here (jan 09 and counting)... I assume much in making such a statement, but it was a different game back then. Genie's were still being figured out (pre-massive overhaul update), there was no such thing as a zomgluck$$$ pack... it was an amazing community of established and up-and-coming 90+ players. The TW's with Nefarious could go either way, definitely the best TWs I ever participated in.

LG4EVER

you can go back to this amazing community by starting to shard 'beautiful' citrine and garnets to start off with?b:chuckle back then beautiful shards were like the WOWz b:dirty

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

8. Rebirth (I can't remember if it was Rebirth or its predecessor FTW that had the shocking 3-hour TW with Nef, but they burned bright before they flamed out.)


Let the criticism and drama flow....

That would be ShockWave only it was with Legendary maybe Nef. as well.I would mention The Blades they are an up and comer as they have taken on Nef.I do agree with what Sunurae as said.

Quilue - Sanctuary

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

LOL , Ast's wing feathers fit perfectly in that photo b:laugh .

Wait , wait wha,wha,what??? There was a topless glitch ?????? How could I miss that .......

**** yeah b:dirty

i think it came about after you quit b:beatenup
with certain pieces of fashion you are nekkid under water or looking behind the cubes in TT1-2/1-3

you were also bald at the same time tho, i think they fixed it after Tideborn expansion.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

8. Rebirth (I can't remember if it was Rebirth or its predecessor FTW that had the shocking 3-hour TW with Nef, but they burned bright before they flamed out.)

what misti said. i dont remember rebirth doing any major memorably long TWs.........that and rebirth dont have a predecessor, they merged into lg and some regi

_Sheh - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what misti said. i dont remember rebirth doing any major memorably long TWs.........that and rebirth dont have a predecessor, they merged into lg and some regi

We beat Steel with our Crystal being 100% after the 3hrs, and Steel's Crystal below 40% (<3 oKidBully and Kejoke xD. That was still a sick as hell rush down C Lane.) when Steel was still at their peak. Our first TW vs Nefarious was after we beat NWO, which lasted almost (or over?) 2hrs at the time. That was the same week we merged with Hybrid. After that, Steel eventually got formed (which resulted in plenty of fun PK for us and Legendary xD), and then Outlaw fell soon after. Just before I quit the game (real life > game life) Nefarious attacked us to take our final land down South West somewhere, and we lasted almost 2hrs then as well. That was probably our peak (<3 Silvercut and Justicebolt xD. We cut through their squishies so easy back then =p). The only reason we lost, was due to my poor planning. We had plenty of 90+ at that time, and we could've probably lasted the whole 3hrs, but I never planned TW strategies, or anything, we just ran in, killed people, and win or lose whatever lol. Sorry again for that Rebirth After that, though, I don't know what happened.

Just thought I'd clear a couple things up. b:cute

Nadis - Sanctuary

Asch you nub, no hello to an old friend ? b:bye

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

_Sheh - Sanctuary wrote: »

We beat Steel with our Crystal being 100% after the 3hrs, and Steel's Crystal below 40% (<3 oKidBully and Kejoke xD. That was still a sick as hell rush down C Lane.) when Steel was still at their peak. Our first TW vs Nefarious was after we beat NWO, which lasted almost (or over?) 2hrs at the time. That was the same week we merged with Hybrid. After that, Steel eventually got formed (which resulted in plenty of fun PK for us and Legendary xD), and then Outlaw fell soon after. Just before I quit the game (real life > game life) Nefarious attacked us to take our final land down South West somewhere, and we lasted almost 2hrs then as well. That was probably our peak (<3 Silvercut and Justicebolt xD. We cut through their squishies so easy back then =p). The only reason we lost, was due to my poor planning. We had plenty of 90+ at that time, and we could've probably lasted the whole 3hrs, but I never planned TW strategies, or anything, we just ran in, killed people, and win or lose whatever lol. Sorry again for that Rebirth After that, though, I don't know what happened.

Just thought I'd clear a couple things up. b:cute

what made it deteriorate to the point of being swallowed up by a merger?

Quilue - Sanctuary

didn't xAsch just...had to leave?

_Sheh - Sanctuary

Nadis - Sanctuary wrote: »

Asch you nub, no hello to an old friend ? b:bye

ladies first. =p

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what made it deteriorate to the point of being swallowed up by a merger?

I wasn't around, so I'm unaware of exactly what happened. I guess you could ask Tengellion if he still plays (I think he took lead after Yz left?)

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

didn't xAsch just...had to leave?

I did, yeah. Real life problems with family and everything. b:shutup

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what made it deteriorate to the point of being swallowed up by a merger?

It is the other way around. Rebirth was the product of several factions and a series of mergers that happened to bring together several big groups of PvPers. Rebirth was a merger of Hybrid and a core group xAsch brought from his previous faction (I forget the name). Hybrid had just merged with FTW a couple weeks before. Unlike so many attempts to do this on purpose, these mergers all seemed to funnel like-minded people together.

By the way, xAsch is selling himself a bit short. Yes, there was no strategy other than "Which lane are we rushing?" but they were quick to adapt on the fly (which passes for tactics).

The end of Rebirth actually had nothing to do with mergers. xAsch disappeared suddenly and unexpectedly, there was no TW for a month because there was no leader on to bid, and that PVP-focused group all went looking for factions that were doing TW. The leadership gap made this a disorganized drifting away (to Nef, Leg, and Regi mostly). By the time leadership was restored enough for a TW bid again, Rebirth could only field about 50-60 people and few if any of those were the PvP die-hards.

Accel - Raging Tide

I remember a faction named DarkFate?

Nadis - Sanctuary

_Sheh - Sanctuary wrote: »

ladies first. =p

pfft, I'm as far as you can get from being a lady lol

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

I remember a faction named DarkFate?

Soviet members -> Darkfate -> Darkfate+hybird = rebirth

TheDan - Sanctuary

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

I remember a faction named DarkFate?

If I'm not mistaken, many attempts from Hybrid 3 hours TWs against NWO were not successful, they eventually sought out to merge with DarkFate to become "Rebirth"

The week after "Rebirth" become established, they wiped NWO off the map as you can see from the screenshot below, the same week Ravenous was wiped off the map. I think 1 week after "Rebirth" and Regicide was wiped off again, Steel managed to 1v1 Outlaw. And the following week Outlaw lost 3 lands to a triple gank. :S

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/dan_912/TW3-5-2009.jpg

I think I'm going to make a slide show out of these eventually xD

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, many attempts from Hybrid 3 hours TWs against NWO were not successful, they eventually sought out to merge with DarkFate to become "Rebirth"

One was successful but they lost the following week's TW so lost the land iirc (bad memory). Also, throw in FTW in the merges somewhere. Thats where that ClericRanger (rofl) came from.

Oh yea. See if you see yourself. b:kiss

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

I honestly believed "Rebirth" was able to go head to head against Nef right before xAsch left because a lot of Steel members joined up after their defeat vs. "Rebirth". Too bad Asch had to leave so suddenly.

Strife_son - Sanctuary

I see momopai in that rebirth dogpile xD

Hitori_Hanso - Sanctuary

For some reason people don't remember Ravenous as well as I do... I've been playing almost as long as the server has been up and Ravenous was one of the best community based factions on Sanctuary. Of course I'm biased because I was in it, but still. We got 3 lands in 3 weeks after The9Kings and KnightZ merged together. We even lasted against Outlaw for the full 3hr TW's, neither side could beat the other and they were always great fights. Unfortunately though after the world knew our name Nefarious and Legendary quickly made their moves to wipe out the threat. To this day it is probably the best faction I was in. And if you are questioning my level, I quit for several months and I am a notoriously slow leveler because I rather enjoy the community of the game rather then flying out and screaming "OMG I KILLED MOBS FOR 3HRS AND GOT 10%!!!" Anyways, that's my few cents on the matter, Ravenous was the best faction I have been in and only crumbled due to drama in faction, NOT because we lost our land.