Question: best way to "cheat" the game?

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  • _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear
    _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    thats disgusting.

    b:mischievousb:chuckle
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  • ClericNico - Dreamweaver
    ClericNico - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A wizard could work but if you thought about it an axe bm would be pretty uber aswell. They have an extremely wide range of aoe's so you could gather up the mobs and aoe them too death 2x as fast. It is well known that a good axe bm can aoe grind shed loads of money.

    this is a great idea. i have loads of fun with my axe bm...i can only imagine how much fun i would have with 2 b:dirty.
    Sometimes, when I'm bored, I blow myself up. b:victory

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  • Pickle - Harshlands
    Pickle - Harshlands Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    omg it works like a charm!!!

    The program I use is Octopus (usually used with WoW). It takes a bit of setting up but it works nice.

    The only issues I have encountered so far:

    Picking up drops sometimes dis-aligns the characters, but its no big deal, it takes half a second to fix their orientation.

    My two computer screens are of different resolutions, so the sizing of the windows makes the buttons appear in the incorrect place. Once I hook up to a monitor thought that wont be a problem cause I can set them to same resolution (Can't do it right with my two computer screens atm).

    I rolled two Psychics on Sanctuary (LeftyLoosey and RightyTighty). I think the names go well together :-p
  • ClericNico - Dreamweaver
    ClericNico - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Lol Nice names.

    Makes me wanna try this with the axe bms to see how it works.
    Sometimes, when I'm bored, I blow myself up. b:victory

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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    grinding? what is that? i play perfect world, dont you?
    Q - How to win on Perfect World?
    A - Throw money at it.
  • VILKASS - Sanctuary
    VILKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    grinding? what is that? i play perfect world, dont you?

    o.o I grinded till 102, on hype of course.
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  • Selador - Heavens Tear
    Selador - Heavens Tear Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    its a natural thing everyone plays with themself sooner or later.

    thats what offline games are for.

    b:laughb:laugh I died on this one.
  • Somebody - Raging Tide
    Somebody - Raging Tide Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    thats what offline games are for.

    thats what i got my GF for b:dirty plug the game in and use the 2 controllers provided b:laugh
  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    thats disgusting.

    LOL
    Thank you Waffle, for making my day.
  • Ilenka - Harshlands
    Ilenka - Harshlands Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Quick question:

    But, WHY ON EARTH would you want 2 characters of the same??? o.o

    A pure magic psychic still kills mobs before they even hit it.

    I think the only reason why you are doing this, is because you dont know anything about builds (and your characters cant stand alone) or because you dont like playing with other people, and thats why you have to squad with yourself.

    Frankly.. thats kinda freaky.

    My psychic does great on herself: uses two or three skills and mobs are down, if they are more resistant then i use either the knockback skill they have or the earthquake skill on genie.

    I wonder what you gonna do with higher level mobs that aggro like crazy.

    So i think, is way much better to have a 1 pro well geared and skilled character than 2 so so characters that cant stand by themselves.
  • Pickle - Harshlands
    Pickle - Harshlands Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ilenka - Harshlands wrote: »
    I think the only reason why you are doing this, is because you dont know anything about builds (and your characters cant stand alone) or because you dont like playing with other people, and thats why you have to squad with yourself.

    Frankly.. thats kinda freaky.

    Frankly... are you trying to pick a fight with me for no reason? That was extremely rude. And way off base.

    I have plenty of successful characters, I am just trying something new out since I have the software and the hardware to do it. And don't forget, I can always just use one of the characters at a time at higher levels if I wish. If you ever played [OTHER MMO] you would know the advantage in pvp and pve to have two clone characters clicking and attacking the same target (or, two different targets if you want).

    Meh... you have a lack of imagination.
  • Clayne - Lost City
    Clayne - Lost City Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pickle - Harshlands wrote: »

    I rolled two Psychics on Sanctuary (LeftyLoosey and RightyTighty). I think the names go well together :-p

    b:cuteb:cute wil the right one be a guy and left is the girl ??
    nice couple b:chuckleb:chuckle
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This program sounds rather nice, and I'm not sure why it would need the same character class though. If you hit 1, wouldn't it make it use skillbar 1 skill? If so, couldn't you just plan out what you want each to do for each specific skill, and have them equip their skills that way? Like for my BM and 2nd account cleric, I could put IB in skill 1, and auto-attack in skill 1 for BM. I can just keep hitting number 1 to keep spamming IB while my fist BM auto-attacks, couldn't I?
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  • Iulius - Heavens Tear
    Iulius - Heavens Tear Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    chose 1 cleric and 1 bm :)))
    not same ofc but that bm could do a loot of kiling when he is healed by a cleric
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Im gonna go out on a limb and say yes its against the EULA to use that method, ecspecially if its the one I think it might be you are using.

    For those that dont know, Its the same basic proggy that gold farmers use in many other games.

    Thats the reason he wants 2 of the exact same chars so he can have both using the exact same skills at the same time. Though Im not accusing the OP of having the same intent, but thats the common use of said program. To allow mulltiple pcs running to do the exact same thing.

    Yes its used for other things, but really asking for a game thats what its generally used for.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2010
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    by the title of your thread, this is exactly what you are trying to do
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  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It really does seem like you wont be able to see the 'second' monitor, so in a sense this is using a bot. If its hooked up to the same computer, I.E monitor display splitter, then I do believe that is against the rules.

    How are you going to 'reply' to the pms of 'lefty' while you are in front or 'righty's' monitor? While you may be 'at' the computer with one, you are still technically away from the computer, using an 'automated' program to train the second.

    At least that is how I would interpret it, and well if you did indeed get a pm, from a mod saying it's ok, then fine use it more power to you.
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  • Pickle - Harshlands
    Pickle - Harshlands Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alright, some people seem to be confused about my setup and intent.

    I have two separate computers sitting next to each other on my desktop.

    I can control both computers independently with their respect keyboards. However, I set-up a series of hotkeys that turn on "broadcasting"

    This means that whatever I do with one keyboard and mouse will be sent to the other computer.

    I can always independently control both computers and view both screens at the same time. I have PMd spoons and he told me that multi-boxing is perfectly legal and any such actions as a result are fine.

    Yes, I know I could have two different characters and have them do different things, but I wanted to keep it more simple than that. Just play as if I was playing one character with an attack rating of 100 :-p

    Nothing is stopping anyone else from using two computers at once (assuming they have them). Most people choose not to because it does require a lot of setting up to work properly. I don't have any advantage over anyone else that chooses to play the game the way I do.

    For example, I choose not to use genies when I play (never liked them tbh). this gives others an advantage over me, but it is just because of a choice I made.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Damselfish - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Speaking from the standpoint of a Psychic that plays with herself. I can say from experience that I have yet to meet a creature I can't easily kill.

    I commend you in having the courage to state that in a public forum.

    On topic. As long as you use 2 computers you are fine. It would be like saying that using a G15 keyboard was illegal since it lets you program macros and gave you an unfair advantage....... The TOS portion referrs to design "features" in the game, not what hardware you use..... What is next? playing on a 30 inch screen is illegal since it bigger than someone playing on a 11 inch laptop? Or that you cannot use top of the line graphic cards since they give you an edge in TWs?
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  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pickle - Harshlands wrote: »
    I have PMd spoons and he told me that multi-boxing is perfectly legal and any such actions as a result are fine.

    eatwithspoons? *sniff* =(
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    eatwithspoons? *sniff* =(

    b:sad We need to hunt him down and somehow get him to come back b:sad.
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  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:sad We need to hunt him down and somehow get him to come back b:sad.

    The one who cheats knows how!
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The one who cheats knows how!

    *Gets pitch for ready* Lets get him b:angry.

    (Thread is about to be derailed)
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  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Gets pitch for ready* Lets get him b:angry.

    (Thread is about to be derailed)

    Yes! Pass out the torches! Let's storm his house!
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes! Pass out the torches! Let's storm his house!

    *Passes you torch* You take the back and ill take the front b:angry.
    *Gets pitchfork ready and rings doorbell*
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    Skeln - Barbarian 4X (Rarely-Active)
    Hunter_The - BM 1X (Rarely-Active)
  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Passes you torch* You take the back and ill take the front b:angry.
    *Gets pitchfork ready and rings doorbell*

    CHAAARGE! Check under the floorboard for a hidden dungeon! Rescue Spoons!
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    TOS:



    by the title of your thread, this is exactly what you are trying to do

    Highlighting specific parts of a sentence that agree with what you think doesn't work as proof, the whole sentence needs to be taken as is.

    For one, "cheat" is in parentheses, which typically means it isn't. It's usually sarcastic in cases like that, and was just simply how they chose to call it.

    Unfair advantage? The game is full of them; cash shopping, being higher level, having craft skills available to you, being in a large guild, knowing how to farm, etc. All of that is an unfair advantage if someone else doesn't have it. But, it is only if someone is exploiting the game to get those advantages that it is against ToS.

    The only reason playing two people on the same computer is bannable, is that the program has to be altered in order to do so. That is the response they gave a year+ ago, and the post even said that playing two characters on two seperate computers is fine. As long as someone is controlling both computer characters, not sure how that would constitute botting either. Both require active control, even if he takes steps to make it easier to control both at once. As long as they don't act on their own without commands from user, should be no issue.
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  • Pickle - Harshlands
    Pickle - Harshlands Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thank you everyone for helping explain myself, although I do understand why it would appear at first to be against TOS.

    Yeah I miss spoons, he was a good guy... if anybody knows why he was let go please pm me? I heard some rumors but they are only spreading through pms... Not allowed in threads I guess. The contact I had with him was before he left.

    Haha I can't believe this thread is already at 2k views ^_^

    and yeah, although left is the guy and righty is the girl. They are a beautiful fish couple b:chuckle
  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ToS.. read "20. Acknowledgements"
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pickle - Harshlands wrote: »
    The contact I had with him was before he left.

    *Throws down pitchfork* Oh....

    OT: I still think 2 Axe BM's would be awesome combo and as an added bonus they don't sway left to right to left to right....
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