Buying Manufacturing Skills

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Oh wow... so it's 30 gold for EACH skill, not all 4. That's incredibly lame.
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  • Cosoc - Sanctuary
    Cosoc - Sanctuary Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    r these packs a permanent addition to the boutique?
    it doesn't say on either of the announcment pages :/
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  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nifsara - Lost City wrote: »
    You are correct manaufacturers will need mats to complete their projects. But duh here is a news flash those same mats you sell they can farm and make them their selves. Therefore, they do not need to buy mats from you, but i will not tell. Yeah right! b:chuckle

    They always have been able to farm the mats themselves. This addition can either make the mat prices go up due to a higher demand for them, or make them stay the same. Most of my skill leveling for manufacturing skills comes from trying to make the items I need, not just making any random item to get to the next level. To get that 3* weapon I want, I have to constantly make them over and over. When I get it, I'm at least half way to the next level, and I still have another weapon to make in that same level area.

    For armor, we have 6 pieces we can make. Chest, legs, wrist, boots, helm, and cape. Even if you get 3* each time, you will still want to make the next set which again are in the same level.

    All these new manufacture boxes will do is make it so you don't have to make those 2* items just to advance. Other than that though, people will still be buying mats to make the gear they want.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Oh wow... so it's 30 gold for EACH skill, not all 4. That's incredibly lame.

    think of how much it would cost in the botique to buy all the mats you need.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't think this will really make any difference to mat price as the majority of mat sales were to make wines, not gear.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    think of how much it would cost in the botique to buy all the mats you need.

    30 gold for all skills I could imagine... 30 each? lol

    So for the price of 2 games, you can get 4 options in a game. lol
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    30 gold to get to level 8 in each craft skill.

    So to go from 1 to 8 in all 4 is $120.

    What I find funny is that you ONLY have the option to go from 1 to 8, there's no packs you can buy to go from like 5 to 8 or anything, so if you've already leveled the skills to 5 or 6 and wanted to buy a pack to get the last few levels, well, your screwed over pretty much.
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  • Candydrop - Lost City
    Candydrop - Lost City Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't understand how you people think this isn't gonna hurt the mat selling market, and i am not talking just about mine mats (coal, lumber ) but other mats too like glue and leather that were needed to make the items to lvl your skill and to make the items for the books, now anyone with enough gold at lvl 99 can max all his manufacturing skills without crafting a single item.
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  • Tonttuu - Heavens Tear
    Tonttuu - Heavens Tear Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i have all skills atm at lvl7 except apo...so wat do i get from buying those packs for 30gold each ?
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Candydrop - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't understand how you people think this isn't gonna hurt the mat selling market, and i am not talking just about mine mats (coal, lumber ) but other mats too like glue and leather that were needed to make the items to lvl your skill and to make the items for the books, now anyone with enough gold at lvl 99 can max all his manufacturing skills without crafting a single item.

    And until he gets to 99, what is he going to use? NPC bought weapons and armor? No, he is still going to make his own gear, meaning he will have to get mats. He then has a choice like everyone else, to either go out and farm them himself, or buy them. As I said, most people will have to make multiple weapons to get the one they want, and the armor more than cover itself for leveling even if you got all 3*s each time. As I said, all this does is takes out having to make those 2* items.
  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tonttuu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i have all skills atm at lvl7 except apo...so wat do i get from buying those packs for 30gold each ?
    I'm wondering the same thing as well.
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  • Nifsara - Lost City
    Nifsara - Lost City Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Really, are you serious. Get your but out their and farm that is your discount. As a matter of fact, I think i will partition PWI to raise the price and the kat stalls to raise theirs as well. That should help lazy players a lot. b:angry
    luvsexxy wrote: »
    Currently i have lvl 6 for blacksmith, so the manu skill boxes for 30 gold can get my blacksmith to lvl 8 max.

    Even though if your blacksmith is only at lvl 1, spent 30 gold and u have maxed lvl 8 skill.

    So the effort that i put in to lvl 6 is therefore consider (flushed to the serwer).

    Anyway my question, anyone with lvl 5-6 manufacturing skill will spent 30 gold for lvl 8 or just continue lvling by harvesting for more mats.

    Pwi shold have a discount for players that have lvl 5 skill and above.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Question. Do you need skills for making nirvana gear? If not I'm fine with my lv.7 all skills. Apothecary get is easy, but if for nirvana is not necessary skill 8 then from lv. 99 for what? To making gear gold lv.99 is enough to have lv.7.
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  • Candydrop - Lost City
    Candydrop - Lost City Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »
    And until he gets to 99, what is he going to use? NPC bought weapons and armor? No, he is still going to make his own gear, meaning he will have to get mats. He then has a choice like everyone else, to either go out and farm them himself, or buy them. As I said, most people will have to make multiple weapons to get the one they want, and the armor more than cover itself for leveling even if you got all 3*s each time. As I said, all this does is takes out having to make those 2* items.

    for starters no one wears 3* items or 2* items after lvl 60, maybe a ring or a necklace but to get that now u only have to get enough mats to craft it, u dont have to go through all the crafting it takes to be able to make that, and till 60 u get alot of gear from quests, what do u think people did before this sale? and mats sold just for the purpose of making the 2* was a big part for the mat selling market.
    someone lvl 80 and above isnt gonna bother making 1 item from lower lvl manufacturing.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Question. Do you need skills for making nirvana gear? If not I'm fine with my lv.7 all skills. Apothecary get is easy, but if for nirvana is not necessary skill 8 then from lv. 99 for what? To making gear gold lv.99 is enough to have lv.7.

    You need lvl6 to craft nirvana.
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  • ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear
    ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Question. Do you need skills for making nirvana gear? If not I'm fine with my lv.7 all skills. Apothecary get is easy, but if for nirvana is not necessary skill 8 then from lv. 99 for what? To making gear gold lv.99 is enough to have lv.7.

    Unless its been changed 6 is enough for Nirvana. Lvl 8 Blacksmith is only needed for lvl100 TT weapons.

    Lvl 8 Tailor is afaik pointless since I have never seen anything that requires it.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It seem what people mean by saying these will affect mats price, is because
    people don't need to buy mats anymore to lv their manufacture skill.
    If they decide to buy it since the beginning it will lower low and mid lv mats prices.

    But to make wine we need mats. b:pleased
    So we need mats for wine these day and wines was the one that setting price for
    mats, i guess . . b:surrender
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  • ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear
    ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TBH Ive got Tailor/BS 7 and I think getting them there cost me about 5 gold max... Boxes 30 gold each ... hmmmm think I will stick to the old way
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Candydrop - Lost City wrote: »
    for starters no one wears 3* items or 2* items after lvl 60, maybe a ring or a necklace but to get that now u only have to get enough mats to craft it, u dont have to go through all the crafting it takes to be able to make that, and till 60 u get alot of gear from quests, what do u think people did before this sale? and mats sold just for the purpose of making the 2* was a big part for the mat selling market.
    someone lvl 80 and above isnt gonna bother making 1 item from lower lvl manufacturing.

    Yes, they were only sold to make 2*, that is why refined steel still sell, to make those 2* weapons. Sure, after 60 they aren't making all that many, but they are still making their gears. They still need to make their armor, they still need to make their weapons. Those lowest-mid grade mats all were for weapons and equipment. However, the higher mats are for wines, so they will still sell, and people will still make their higher level gears from other mats they have to farm/buy. You are saying mat prices will go down due to a lack of need for them. However, that need is still there. People still need to make their own armor and weapons. What kind of gear is regardless as they still need to make it.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That only works for higher levels.

    Low levels will still need mats to level the skills. No point buying the box to level a skill to say 4 .

    TBH Ive got Tailor/BS 7 and I think getting them there cost me about 5 gold max... Boxes 30 gold each ... hmmmm think I will stick to the old way

    b:surrender But what i mean is . .
    people skipping buying mats to lv their manufacture.
    For example make 10 armor to reach lv 2 tailor and create 2star gear for skill lv 4.
    With that box you skip all those thing and just buy mats for manufacture 1 or 2 gear, especially you won't looking for uber gear at low to mid lv. b:laugh

    Btw me not support these box. :x
    And didn't i say what keep mats prices currently :D
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But to make wine we need mats. b:pleased
    So we need mats for wine these day and wines was the one that setting price for
    mats, i guess . . b:surrender
    except mats from mob i guess
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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Candydrop - Lost City wrote: »
    for starters no one wears 3* items or 2* items after lvl 60

    Speak for yourself.... my 89 veno wears a couple 3* armor pieces (helmet and leggings). My 76 bm and 66 cleric might be wearing some also.
  • Aya__ - Heavens Tear
    Aya__ - Heavens Tear Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    can i brag a little? can i? can? can? please?...
    made tailor 6 at last, 3 items at 1st try, 1 at 2nd, 1 at 5th
    b:victory
    i like being able to make stuff for myself and others, wanted my armor to have my own 'stamp'... and ok, colecting mats for quest was annoying but i was so happy when i made it b:pleased
    sometimes i do things for fun, just to achieve something... doesnt have to be cost effective of anything then...
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  • VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver
    VBloodFangv - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ok, I can't pin anything particularly sinister about this, but...

    why, Why, WHY? b:infuriated b:faint -bangs head against the wall- Was it really necessary? b:surrender
  • Candydrop - Lost City
    Candydrop - Lost City Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »
    Yes, they were only sold to make 2*, that is why refined steel still sell, to make those 2* weapons. Sure, after 60 they aren't making all that many, but they are still making their gears. They still need to make their armor, they still need to make their weapons. Those lowest-mid grade mats all were for weapons and equipment. However, the higher mats are for wines, so they will still sell, and people will still make their higher level gears from other mats they have to farm/buy. You are saying mat prices will go down due to a lack of need for them. However, that need is still there. People still need to make their own armor and weapons. What kind of gear is regardless as they still need to make it.

    stop thinking of just mine mats, we need more then just refine steel, lumber etc to craft an armor or weapon, who on earth is going to buy glue or leather now? except for the amount u need to craft something you want to wear.

    Rainbowvidel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Speak for yourself.... my 89 veno wears a couple 3* armor pieces (helmet and leggings). My 76 bm and 66 cleric might be wearing some also.

    I too wear a few 3* items but u said it yourself only 2 parts from your gear is 3* not the whole thing, and i am trying to speak according to what i see people wear at their lvls.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Candydrop - Lost City wrote: »
    stop thinking of just mine mats, we need more then just refine steel, lumber etc to craft an armor or weapon, who on earth is going to buy glue or leather now? except for the amount u need to craft something you want to wear.




    I too wear a few 3* items but u said it yourself only 2 parts from your gear is 3* not the whole thing, and i am trying to speak according to what i see people wear at their lvls.

    Even though I am a avid Cash shopper, I honestly don't see myself buying any of these items. I know it sounds odd, but I actually like EARNING my crafting skill the old fashioned way. For those who would rather shell out the cash for this, cool. it's your dime, but I would rather work hard, slave, spend mad amounts of coin leveling up my skills, and then when they are all as high as I can get them, point at them and say "I actually worked for that", and feel proud when something wears my name on it.

    Just me, others will feel different.

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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i dont understand what the flap is about....what i saw in the shop were *level one* skill boxes. something that all of us finished in a few goes. whats to worry about lv1 skills? if they had them for higher levels, they would be more useful to some, to some a threat. but how can a level one skill enhancer be such a problem?b:puzzled
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Im kinda Meh on this packs to, Im already rank 8 in BS,Tailor, Craftsman. I guess Im mostly nuetral on them, lol.
    working it Q_Q
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  • Blargerer - Raging Tide
    Blargerer - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i dont understand what the flap is about....what i saw in the shop were *level one* skill boxes. something that all of us finished in a few goes. whats to worry about lv1 skills? if they had them for higher levels, they would be more useful to some, to some a threat. but how can a level one skill enhancer be such a problem?b:puzzled

    The level 1 gives you the level 2 ect. So thats actually a lvl 8 skill box. I don't see a problem with it though. Cash shoppers pay for the game that we get for free so all to them.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i dont understand what the flap is about....what i saw in the shop were *level one* skill boxes. something that all of us finished in a few goes. whats to worry about lv1 skills? if they had them for higher levels, they would be more useful to some, to some a threat. but how can a level one skill enhancer be such a problem?b:puzzled

    I think you 'might' be misunderstanding it, If I am right, buying the box (lets say for blacksmithing) is similar to the Supply Stash, it has everything you need to level up the skill to it's max for your level, and when you are able to go higher, it clicks and provides the resources for the next step up.

    I haven't seen anyone yet confirm or deny how it operates but if it operates at $30.00 per skill level, then it is a flat royal rip off. If on the other hand one box supplies everything you need to level from 1 to 9, then it is cheap.

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  • Candydrop - Lost City
    Candydrop - Lost City Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i dont understand what the flap is about....what i saw in the shop were *level one* skill boxes. something that all of us finished in a few goes. whats to worry about lv1 skills? if they had them for higher levels, they would be more useful to some, to some a threat. but how can a level one skill enhancer be such a problem?b:puzzled

    go to the crafting forum and read the instructions about the boxes, just because the name is eg Blacksmith training I doesn't mean u only get lvl 1 from my understanding after reading the instructions with 1 box u can get to max lvl
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Even though I am a avid Cash shopper, I honestly don't see myself buying any of these items. I know it sounds odd, but I actually like EARNING my crafting skill the old fashioned way. For those who would rather shell out the cash for this, cool. it's your dime, but I would rather work hard, slave, spend mad amounts of coin leveling up my skills, and then when they are all as high as I can get them, point at them and say "I actually worked for that", and feel proud when something wears my name on it.

    Just me, others will feel different.

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    hi sai b:bye

    i worked for my skills too and feel proud for getting them, as i feel proud for getting a dq horse with only doing dq's, these boxes do not affect me personally, i am just stating my observations on what these boxes will affect in game, of course talking about it here isn't gonna make any difference but at least it gives us something to talk about b:pleased
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